Season 4: Daybreak, Part 2 - 3/20/09 (Two Hours)

[Shane]

• Episode broadcast at 10pm EDT/9pm CDT Friday 22 March on the Sci Fi Channel THE EPISODE IS TWO HOURS AND 11 MINUTES LONG! (set your DVRs accordingly)
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• Episode broadcast at 9pm GMT Tuesday 24 March on Sky One in the UK

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[Shane]

Since I can, I am going to start posting my review before everyone else. I never have had the first word. I like to point out that the first 1 hour and 20 minutes were great. Rated at "100000000x times great episode." A lot of the questions we been wondering about in the Battlestar Wiki we have had during the 4 years have been answered in these past episodes, but still many remain and that will always be a reason to be around to talk about it.

One of the most interesting questions that we will never know is who Six talked to before the fall. There are going to be many questions from this episode alone. How will we ever figure it out?

I have problems with the ending of this episode. For the last 40 minutes I have done nothing but bitch about how bad they made the show be. They arrive to "Earth" and it's "Tribial Civilization". This whole thing really ruined a really good episode. I now I am just shouting out, but the end could have been done better. I have no idea how I am going to rate this episode in our poll, but from what I am typing here you can tell I am not pleased with the ending. I would have also like to see a little bit more about where everyone went and what transpired with them all instead of the primary cast.

Edit: The episode just finshed and I have to say the "warp" into 150,000 years to see Head Baltar and Head Six stricks me as ood. They are the "future" during BSG timeline and the real current humans. The monotage was stupid. The only thing good was RDM cameo. Period.

Otherwise the episode was very good, but this last 51 mintues have been painful to watch.

However... congrats to the entire cast and crew. What a great fraking 4 years of execellent show. Voted "Good" for this jump.

[psygnisfive]

No.

[jericho]

I loved it although I knew from watching it that they had given some ammo to the people who love to bitch and moan but I didn't care

[Helio]

Considering I suspected this ending since day one, I am pleased. The only thing that really jarred me was some editing that was definately too quick. The cavil suicide, the death of tory, and some of the on earth scenes. Didn't fit with the pacing of the rest of the episode, and was very noticable to my eye.

The real problem with this episode is not really the episode itself; but the story structure leading up to it. There were definate pace and emphasis issues in this season that made the finale look half as good as it is. Mainly the needless waffling in characterizations that undermined the reveals and the final ending of the main characters' respective journeys.

[turkey]

Lame. Glad to hear that not one character on the entire show had any surviving offspring except for Hera. And the part about wiping out those brutish protohumans--awesome!

[navalspacefanatic82]

Well, so it ends. I voted simply "good." That episode could have been the best in the series, and it answered a bunch of questions. The ending felt like a cop out to me.
Kara just disappearing...so, was she Lee's head character after she died the first time...or did she just go Bionic woman on us and run off at the speed of millions of people screaming "this sucks."
Dispersing people across our Earth was alright by me...but cavemen? Really? I was thinking for a minute it was a Geico commercial.
The first hour was amazing...the last hour and eleven minutes could have been a very gut wrenching 20 mins of everyone saying good bye to eachother.
But, enough is enough...no more criticisms. I'd like to thank everyone associated with BSG for five great seasons of television...it's been a great ride.

[michaels]

I'll have to post when I am a bit more coherent, but this episode was both wonderful and wonderfully frustrating. The parts I liked, I LOVED and were some of the best in the series, the parts I didn't, well....

Kara's "resolution" (if you can call it that) and the whole Head Character thing was disappointing to say the least.

[turkey]

Oh, I dunno, I really liked the resolution of the "Baltar's cult" subplot--get the guns, then disappear for no apparent reason and never be mentioned again. Awesome!

[TPL2008]

God did it. The ultimate Deus ex machina!

Somehow appropriate for a show about machines and religion.

[Arthenik]

I'm gonna go Adama in "Final Cut": I loved it.

Tory's demise was perfect. The ending (and I really mean that 30-odd minutes long act) was perfect. Ron get me exactly where he wanted me with every single scene, every single detail.

Thank you. :')

[Jade]

I have to agree that the quick vanishing of kara really left me wondering and feeling like the question of who or what she was, was not dealt with at all. Except for the quite final line Sam says after kara walks away from her tearful goodbye to him.
Sam "See you on the other side".

So yes does that mean that kara was a head kara or an angel but with a more solidfied role like the caprica 6 in season 1 who brings the incriminating tape accusing baltar of treason.

Other than the poor use of the 2nd hour and the kara identity I did enjoy this finale episode. When I say poor use of the 2nd hour I think that more time could have been spent on the arrival and the emotions of the characters rather than going on about where everyone was going to settle around the globe. And too why would the Admiral cut ties with his only remaining family. Especially now that Laura is only there to share their dream in memory.

Anyway far better ending than I thought it would be.

[PunkMaister]

Originally Posted by jericho

I loved it although I knew from watching it that they had given some ammo to the people who love to bitch and moan but I didn't care

Umm... What?

Anyhow I was very pleased to find that my suspicions that the cestpool they first arrived at was not Earth I literally jumped with joy when I saw them arriving at the actual Earth and was beside myself to see that they found humans already living there. Who put them here? The part about Laura and Adama was an absolute tear jerker! I always knew that Tori would end dying at the hands of the chief the moment he learned about she being Cally's murderer. It is ironic that the very thing that she sought to separate herself from humanity is the thing that brought her to be just the same as the rest of us...

There is no explanation as to what happens to Kara. But my guess is whoever resurrected her took her to whatever realm they happen to live in. She no longer fitted anywhere. Not human nor Cylon but something else entirely that had been recreated for one purpose.

BTW: Somebody mentioned something about the Colonials wiping out the so called Protohumans and there is no evidence whatsoever of this but that thet rather merged with them as Baltar suggested. Which brings us to the biggest unsolved mistery in the end. How on Earth did Gaius and Caprica re-emerge in the present? Especially when they had dumped all technological assets? Unless they at some point went to live in some unidisclosed deep cave and worked day and night on resurrection tech so they would be reborn in the present but if so the ones that are throwing the big proverbial monkeywrench in the scheme of things and the final breaking of the cycle is them. But then again this present day Gaius disliked the use of the word god almost as if he in the present is working for who? The devil? Both of them?


I think RDM tried to give a stare warning about technology and it's possible missuse with the show and especially in this episode.


It is true that it left many unanswered questions and even raised new ones but I found the series finale much more satisfying than I had expected after the debacle at what first allegedly was Earth.

[Zlaticko]

Those were Head Baltar and Head Six, whose name we never learned, by the way.

I swear I wanted to sing "Jesus take the Wheel"

I said it went from it could be religious to must be; it's sad.

It really makes me not at all interested in Caprica or 'the Plan'

I dunno. I just don't know.

Maybe in a few days I'll change my mind, but all in all I feel let down.

[thevarrior]

I'm very conflicted. I voted "good" for the episode on its own, but I don't really know how to judge it in its continuity with the series. Right now though, that rating is "bad".

As a series finale, no doubt it was one of the best. But like I said on IRC earlier - too many sour grapes for me to appreciate it.