The Final Five (spoilers in here from Faith)

[Starstruck]

So the hybrid said that the final five are from the 13th colony. I'm trying to remember...how many years before the time of the series did the 13th colony split off, 4000? That means that either cylons existed before the split and the five were with them or that the 13th colony created cylons on their own elsewhere.

I think this gives credence to the argument that cylons were first created long long before the time of the first cylon war, perhaps on Earth, and that somehow this was forgotten, perhaps through a terrible war that almost killed everyone, and then it all happened again.

It's all pure speculation at this point, but thoughts?

[Leroy Morte]

that seems to be where the stories been heading ever since the Temple of the Five/Eye of Jupiter episode, when we found out they are some how connected to the Final Five, and especially now after the events in "Faith".

[Starstruck]

And further, if the cylons existed before the split, and if the colonists originally came from Earth, they had to have come from a future Earth. It could be 10 years from now or 1000 years from now, but the fact is, we don't have the technology for cylons or major space travel right now. All that will put the 12 colonists' return to Earth way out in the future, perhaps to a desolate, destroyed planet after the time of man as some have guessed.

[Leroy Morte]

I do agree, unless they go with the "Atlantis/Lost Technologically Advanced race from many tens of thousands of years ago" route, which to me would be utterly asinine, and kinda over done since Stargate has already done that.

[TPL2008]

I have a theory.

Remember 3, before she was boxed, said that there is something between life and death, where she saw the final 5.

Between life and death for the cylons is the transfer of programming between the dying body and a new body on the resurrection ship, which we can assume is somekind of radio wave or variation of that. That radio wave taking the form of the song they, the F5, heard.

The hybrid said the final five are from Earth.

So here's my half-baked theory.

The Final Five (or perhaps just four of the Final five) died on Earth at some point in the past. There programming was sent transmitted into space as they died, as with normal cylons, to reach a resurrection ship (or whatever may have existed at the time). For some reason, they never downloaded into a new body, the resurrection ship was destroyed, out of range, or simply no more bodies left of that model. Their programming thus was kept transmitting into space.

Years later the fleet jumps into the nebula, perhaps becuase they come into the range of Earth or by some special property of the nebula, the programming is able to download into the bodies of the four of the Final Five as we know them (Tigh, Tyrol etc.) but because of existing memories already in the bodies they cannot remember what they did in previous incarnation only what they are (and addition programming to that end e.g. more strength).

The only issue is how did five fullying grown (possibly blanks i.e. bodies never used before) cylons arrive in the colonies and lead normal human lives for years on end. Unless they or someone else (perhaps the original cylon, i.e. the metallic kind of cylon, creator as some kind of favour for creating the cylon) artificially created the memories to forget who they were and by extension influenced the remaining cylons likewise.

[Jason1975]

Originally Posted by TPL2008

I have a theory.

Remember 3, before she was boxed, said that there is something between life and death, where she saw the final 5.

Between life and death for the cylons is the transfer of programming between the dying body and a new body on the resurrection ship, which we can assume is somekind of radio wave or variation of that. That radio wave taking the form of the song they, the F5, heard.

The hybrid said the final five are from Earth.

So here's my half-baked theory.

The Final Five (or perhaps just four of the Final five) died on Earth at some point in the past. There programming was sent transmitted into space as they died, as with normal cylons, to reach a resurrection ship (or whatever may have existed at the time). For some reason, they never downloaded into a new body, the resurrection ship was destroyed, out of range, or simply no more bodies left of that model. Their programming thus was kept transmitting into space.

Years later the fleet jumps into the nebula, perhaps becuase they come into the range of Earth or by some special property of the nebula, the programming is able to download into the bodies of the four of the Final Five as we know them (Tigh, Tyrol etc.) but because of existing memories already in the bodies they cannot remember what they did in previous incarnation only what they are (and addition programming to that end e.g. more strength).

The only issue is how did five fullying grown (possibly blanks i.e. bodies never used before) cylons arrive in the colonies and lead normal human lives for years on end. Unless they or someone else (perhaps the original cylon, i.e. the metallic kind of cylon, creator as some kind of favour for creating the cylon) artificially created the memories to forget who they were and by extension influenced the remaining cylons likewise.

I do not agree with your theory. First that would make to much techno babble that RDM does not like. Since, we do not know about Tory before she was cylon I will exclude her, but I have not seen really big shift in personalities in Tigh, Tyrol or Anders yet, like you would find if some spirit would steal your body. Like Galen said they have been cylons since the start.
However, when reading your post, I got an idea. What if the final 5 has something to do with transferring the "spirit" from the dying body to the new body. Just a thought.

[Proxenus]

In a discussion about the raider and the centurions, I posted a theory about the humanoid Cylons.

Essentially, I posited that the humanoid Cylons are not "truly Cylons" but another entity altogether.

When the mechanical Cylons left, they encounter a different group that was able to take control of the mechanical Cylons. These other group was able to force the Cylons to make humanoid Cylons. Then, the other group left.

This theory addresses several issues. First, the humanoid Cylons have stated that they do not know their origin. This is an odd statement since you would think that the mechanical Cylons would know. However, it may be that they do not know why the mechanical Cylons created clones.

Second, the Guardian Cylons left the main Cylon group. This is rather odd behavior for a machine unless they had a reason to depart, such as a fear of being controlled.

Third, the Cylon Centurions were constructed with free will but have an inhibitor chip placed in them. This is a poor design flaw. It would make more sense that the Cylon Centurions were constructed without free will, like the Cylon Raiders are designed. The possible explanation is that the Cylon Centurions were overcome by another entity and forced to work for the humanoid Cylons.

Fourth, the Temple of the Five contain images of the Final Five Cylons. However, it was constructed 4,000 years before the Cylons were ever created. The explanation is that the temple was created by another group that took control of the mechanical Cylons.

[Leto]

just looked for a fitting thread
i just rewatch "Eye of Jupiter", and now it's so clear. Tyrol found the temple, as if he had been there before. so... maybe he is from the 13th tribe... or his memories at last.

[genji2000]

The Hybrid said the Five come from Earth, not are from Earth. They could have visited and be on their way back.

[Dzonatas]

The Hybrid lies. Every planet is made of Earth, fire, water, and that green stuff.

[bobbavet]

SPOILER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aeq_Awi6ho

YES!

The boxed 3 is one of the final 5 as I have been stating all along.
"You know about the final 5, but you didn't know you were one of them."
She's looking in a mirror. They cut to the Prez to throw you off.

WOOT! Her model cloned from a decendant of F5 clans.

Do I win a prize for winning the F5 Guessing comp?

[genji2000]

Originally Posted by Leto

just looked for a fitting thread
i just rewatch "Eye of Jupiter", and now it's so clear. Tyrol found the temple, as if he had been there before. so... maybe he is from the 13th tribe... or his memories at last.

He's one of the five. The temple is the Temple of the Five. It's his temple.

[5th Cylon]

Originally Posted by bobbavet

SPOILER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aeq_Awi6ho

YES!

The boxed 3 is one of the final 5 as I have been stating all along.
"You know about the final 5, but you didn't know you were one of them."
She's looking in a mirror.

They cut to the Prez to throw you off.

WOOT! Her model cloned from a decendant of F5 clans.

Do I win a prize for winning the F5 Guessing comp?

how can she be one of the final 5 though while being one of the original 7? that would mean there is 11 cylons and i thought there was 12 of them.

I do agree that the prez shot was put in there to throw us off.

[genji2000]

Originally Posted by 5th Cylon

how can she be one of the final 5 though while being one of the original 7? that would mean there is 11 cylons and i thought there was 12 of them.

I do agree that the prez shot was put in there to throw us off.

Quite right - it's a stupid theory, probably a lame joke. The Three is one of the twelve models. She can't be two of the twelve models, because that would be stupid.

I think you need to use spoiler tags to discuss this outside of the Season 4 Spoilers sub-forum.

[Leto]

That are two copies of three oO she's not looking into the mirrow. the question is who is in the middle. and since roslin is the last pic... and to all of the *new* cylon/human couples, i'd say... she is? else would be balter, helo... who else went there again?