Case for Adama or Thrace as the last Cylon

[jerrywickey]

The Cylons are now in a civil war over protection of sentient life, the raiders. Does this new attitude of protection extend to Humans as well?


The Cylons are also divided about the value of the final five. Some want to follow instructions and ignore them, while others think "something has changed" and see the final five as holding the key to Cylon's future.


Boomer and Six, sometimes, have genuine feelings of camaraderie with the Humans. In fact they have been or are in love with human men.


Cylons have as much interest in Earth as the Humans and seem to have a deeper understanding of prophesy. Their interest, ostensibly, is to destroy Earth, but "something has changed."


Kara's miraculous return does not seem to be of Cylon involvement. Do the gods or does god exist?

The Cylons seem to be bringing mono-theism to a technologically advanced culture which entertains a strong poly-theistic religion.


If the final five bring a new order to the Cylons, it could be to bring home the "prodigal son." The wayward destructive proclivities of mankind's greatest accomplishment and at the same time mankind's greatest disaster might rejoin their father, humanity.


Who better to lead this reconciliation than the leader of the rag tag refugees, Adama, or one chosen for a special role by the god of both the humans and the Cylons, Kara?

Don't forget Laoben's final words in season one.


One thing of which we can be sure, the writers will take us on an enjoyable ride, hinting at the end, then taking us in the other direction, until finally revealing the finale, leaving just before we feel satisfied.


Jerry

[timbo]

I don´t know about Adama or Kara but I like your ideas. Sharon and Six loving human men has always seemed important to me. The moment when Helo´s Sharon hugged The chief on Kobol with Helo looking on was a great scene. The two men were completely out of their depth, but for Sharon it was completely natural to hug Tyrol. It is usually women who know how to love, even when they are cylons, and men who get in their own way when they try.

However, I think the importance of Human polytheism and cylon monotheism will gradually lose improtance. Mono or poly only take on significance when we think of God/s as people. Pretty childish really. If God is some kind of force or being completely outside our understanding, which is what I personally believe, then all this categorizing and quantifying doesnt make sense. I think and hope the show will finish with some sort of intervention completely outside the comprehension of humans and cylons alike. Hopefully this will help unite them and help them see that all the paths to God have value, none is the only way, and the only important thing is to at least start looking for a path. I love this show.


Anyone for a game of Monopoly

[Porkshank6]

Interesting ideas, jerry. My candidates for the Final Cylon include both Adama and Starbuck, but I think Lee, Roslin or even Baltar could also fit the bill. I don't think the Final Cylon will lubricate the reconciliation, really; the reconciliation will be the product of both Cylon and human compromising their belief that their hatred of the other is moral. While finding out Adama has been a toaster all along would give both sides pause, I think it would be too easy - if he is the final cylon, it won't be an easy revelation. I think the the reconciliation will not be unilateral, but consist of fracturing (on both sides - we've seen the Cylons go at each other) that will not be easily mended.

[jerrywickey]

Kara was my first choise. But the circumstances of her return suggest otherwise. The audiance knows the Cylons had nothing to do with it. Many Cylon conversations took place on basestars during that time. Starbuck was never mentioned. They don't know anything about what happened to her.

Kara's role in prophesy, while doubted by the colonials, is a real part of the story. Her viper was spotless. The only way to get out of it would be for Moore to back track and reviel some reason Starbuck was not mentioned by the Cylons.

That means that if Starbuck is Cylon, the only human in which god is working is Roslyn. Kinda one sided. Kara is likely human. That leaves only Adama to lead the Cylons and Human's reconciliation.

The real quesiton is just how dark is Moore?

Maybe the Cylons find Earth just before Galactica does. They don't destroy it so that they can use Earth as bate to round up the resourceful space fairing rag tag fleet, only to destry them when they finally find Earth.

The problem is that the raiders wont kill the final five. That has to be resolved and it must come one of two ways.

1) The final five side with the Cylons.

2) The final five lead Humans and Cylons together.

The third intuative option is unlikely. The five side with the humans. It is unlikely becuase half of the Cylon models and the raiders would have to find some sort of resolution to this betrayal. The show couldn't end. If it ends it has to be either with the destruction of mankind or with the reunification of the Cylons.

Jerry

[Dzonatas]

Perhaps, the FF can override any command the SS can give to the centurions and raiders.

[ShadowEnigma]

I don't think the FF did anything to stop the attack. Whatever happened was sub-conscious for Anders and the Raiders decided to do it. Whatever stopped the raiders was a tiny program in the Raider that the SS didn't know about.

Question though, if the raiders are programmed to recognize the FF, couldn't someone like Number 3 just use that program to figure it out for herself?

[james968]

I don't know if the objection to lobotimizing the raiders is because they are sentient or because the are fellow cylons. (It may be that 6,8 & 2 are more dedicated to the machine Liberation Movement than Cavil is).

One possibility that I haven't heard is that not all of the FF will side with Humanity (Yeah, I'm looking at YOU Tory). and not all of the SS will want to wipe out humanity (you can pretty much guess that based on what is happening so far).

The twisted part of me had the idea, since the cylon babes have hooked up with Humans and not them. (Cavil's party is a sausage fest after-all, except for the leader who gets boomer). Maybe there just misunderstood and its they're lack of Girlfriends making them went to annihilate humanity. (The Leoben never got a home run with Starbuck, he did at least get to 1st base (granted he was holding casey hostage to get there and she did kill him immediately after but his first words out of the resurrection tank was probably "SCORE!" and a bunch of high-fives with the other Leobens).

Maybe they should have a saying once you go human, you never go back.

[ShadowEnigma]

I don't know if the objection to lobotimizing the raiders is because they are sentient or because the are fellow cylons. (It may be that 6,8 & 2 are more dedicated to the machine Liberation Movement than Cavil is).

I think because they are sentient. I think Cavil and the others were afriad their 'pets' would turn against them, or not listen when they wanted them to do something. It really feels like the cycle has come completely around for them.

(The Leoben never got a home run with Starbuck, he did at least get to 1st base (granted he was holding casey hostage to get there and she did kill him immediately after but his first words out of the resurrection tank was probably "SCORE!" and a bunch of high-fives with the other Leobens).

Maybe they should have a saying once you go human, you never go back.

:lol:

[redwards95]

They've done a great job of allowing for plausible cases to be made for almost any character to be the last cylon. Admiral Adama is one of my least likely candidates. I just don't think they will take on the challenge of coming up with the convoluted explanations that would be needed to explain away Bill's father and children. Similarly since we've since flashbacks of Starbuck as a child and her mother, I doubt it is her. The circumstances of her "death" also argue against it. I'm more inclined to believe Starbuck will turn out to be a Christ or anti-Christ figure than a cylon.

[ThPrime]

Adama has always appealed to me as being more than he appeared. Out of nearly 500 battlestar commanders, he alone kept his own ship "Cylon-proof" resistant to computer infiltration decades after there was any apparent need to do so. It was solely Adama's idea to lead the survivors of humanity to Earth. That was quite the inspired leap for self professed Admiral Atheist. He even received criticism for these two atypical acts. He does not share with anyone the anonymous tip that there only twelve Cylon models. It does not matter whether he believed or dismissed that piece of paper, he chose to be secretive about the information during and after sleeper agent attacks on the Galactica. Arguably that secrecy cost lives.

Unusual acts and decisions worthy of a clandestine "master" Cylon who knows more truths than anyone else Colonial or Cylon. In comparison to this grand master level of machinations, the rest of the Colonials just don't measure up.

But there may be no master Cylon per se. The final Cylon could share the fundamental difference of the final four, who turn out to be individuals and not pre-programmed protectors of humanity. The final Cylon could be no different than the modern seven clone models, only dead, boxed, cloneless and otherwise not present. Eddie Olmos recently declared to the New York press he has a "not a Cylon" clause in his contract. Oh phooey :)

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Well, William Adama is a veteran of the Cylon War. Plus given his families apparent involvement with the creation of the Cylons (as we'll see in Caprica), he probably has more knowledge of them than anyone that is still alive.

[Spencerian]

Adama has always appealed to me as being more than he appeared. Out of nearly 500 battlestar commanders, he alone kept his own ship "Cylon-proof" resistant to computer infiltration decades after there was any apparent need to do so.

To note: the miniseries defines that there were approximately 120 battlestars in the Colonial Fleet, not 500. Thirty battlestars were destroyed early on, which was told by Adama to Starbuck, who extrapolated the number.

Galactica was traditionally kept unmodified more as a symbol than by procedure, since it would have been some time before Adama would take command himself and keep to the practice as her former commanders. The philosophy was like the USS Constitution battleship, which, despite a sailing ship of the 18th century, still is a commissioned vessel in the US Navy.