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leon
April 23rd, 2008, 10:30 PM
Is she outside of herself, and his her new body this "...alien ... thing"?
Anybody remember when Roslin shot at her ...at point blank range... and supposedly missed?
Maybe she didn't miss and it went right through her..
Any body else pick up on that/think it was some kind of foreshadowing?
ShadowEnigma
April 23rd, 2008, 11:54 PM
Well, I definitely think Roslin missed. I don't think it went through Starbuck. Starbuck however, is getting quite weird with her mission. I think her feelings, and that speech is alluding to something. However what I don't know.
1Nivek1
April 24th, 2008, 12:05 AM
Is she outside of herself, and his her new body this "...alien ... thing"? Anybody remember when Roslin shot at her ...at point blank range... and supposedly missed? Any body else pick up on that/think it was some kind of foreshadowing?
Well I'm w/ you in the fact that Kara has always seemed to have some sort of death wish....but I don't think she's a Cylon.
I've always felt she is one of the most "human" characters of the show. Sheakespearean in a sense to the fact that she is multifaceted and complex, but simple in a sense as well. She has an excessive sized ego, but at the same time has a clearly low self-esteem -- she has Lee, Anders, and doesn't know what's good for her, even if she cared -- Adama is her only father (in a sense), and she rebels against him constantly, etc.
I said it in another thread, but I truely believe Kara's character (I'm not sure if it's the character or the actor), is truely magnetic. If you ask me (& I'm the biggest Baltar fan you'll find), her and Adm. Adama drive the show. It is from this sort of thinking that I think while the Adama's are still "free-range", Kara is untouchable as a "cylon".
Now whether or not it is a foreshadow to her "murder", I can see that happening. I still think her and Anders have a role to play though; but after that, who knows...
I'm all for death in a story, but I honestly think I would be bummed if Kara got killed :mad:
james968
April 24th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Well, I definitely think Roslin missed. I don't think it went through Starbuck. Starbuck however, is getting quite weird with her mission. I think her feelings, and that speech is alluding to something. However what I don't know.
That scene from with her above the metal grate and listening to the crew, then talking to Sam was very Iconic. (I wonder if this is from some classic movie scene?).
If she pulls out some marble and begin clicking them in her hands.......
ShadowEnigma
April 24th, 2008, 07:08 AM
That scene was interesting. Kara is definitely letting a lot of things get to her head. It wouldn't surprise me if the crew, or even part of the crew have a little revolt to this mission. She is being too dictator like, it's like she has lost a lot of what use to be the fun loving Starbuck. Really makes you wonder what happened to her when her viper blew up.
fijnemens
April 24th, 2008, 08:45 AM
That scene from with her above the metal grate and listening to the crew, then talking to Sam was very Iconic. (I wonder if this is from some classic movie scene?).
If she pulls out some marble and begin clicking them in her hands.......
the scene felt very much like Moby Dick when captain Ahab strolls his decks!
timbo
April 24th, 2008, 11:48 AM
I think Kara is the most interesting character and is my favourite. She is probably the most flawed most human character, but also the most naturally gifted. Everyone acclaims her as the best pilot, apparently more by instinct than training. She constantly sabotages her own life by reacting without thinking. She knows how to love and she knows how to hurt those who love her. She seems completely free from pretense but is by her own admission "a screw up". I dont know how things will turn out for her but I dont think it will be a happy ending. It usually isnt for people like her. Definitely my favourite. And whoever it was who said she needs to be punished for her alcoholism.... cant think of a way to finish that sentence.
If I had to choose who to follow, I would choose her.
redwards95
April 24th, 2008, 12:03 PM
My sense is that the original Starbuck really did die. The Starbuck we see now is either reborn or not really Starbuck (an alien? a demon/angel? a clone? a cylon?). The hybrid in Razor called her the harbinger of the apocalypse and the end of the humanity, so maybe that's a hint about what she is. My guess is she is NOT one of the final 5 (6? :p) Cylons since we've seen so many flashbacks of her childhood and her mother. I'd be more inclined to think there's a religious explanation for what she is, although I guess it could be possible that she is both a Cylon and an angel. Then Baltar could be the human prophet of God while Starbuck is the Cylon prophet (or vice versa even if it's Baltar who is the 5th Cylon).
Starstruck
April 24th, 2008, 12:16 PM
I don't really think Starbuck died nor do I think she is a Cylon, though there is evidence to make one think either or both. I'm not sure what happened to her or if she will find Earth, but her journey is part of the main plot; I have no doubt of that.
She is Shakespearean, fatal flaw and all. Which is why I dressed up as Starbuck last Halloween, and no, I will not be sharing the pictures.
timbo
April 24th, 2008, 03:08 PM
Cīmon man. You cant confess that such pictures exist and then not share them.
I am not sure how relevent this is but tonight I watched the old episode where Kara is in the hospital with Simon, and he asks her about her broken fingers / childhood abuse. I think her father or even her mother maybe slammed the piano lid on her fingers. When she went back to her old home and listened to that piano music, it seemed to mean something. I think the piano is important but I canīt see how. Any ideas?
p.s. I have just seen that I have posted 200 times. No wonder my wife is getting cranky.
1Nivek1
April 24th, 2008, 05:26 PM
...and he asks her about her broken fingers / childhood abuse. I think her father or even her mother maybe slammed the piano lid on her fingers.
I thought the mother slammed her hand in a door for punishment...
Leoben
April 24th, 2008, 05:27 PM
In season, you see the event where her fingers are broken. Her mom slams the door on them as a punishment.
As for the piano, I dunno, the similarity between the piece of music she listens to on Caprica and the Basestar theme if you will, are almost identical, if not the same piece of music.
They haven't made any mention of the piano or her father playing it since that episode though.
Neakal
April 24th, 2008, 07:10 PM
The piano music was made by Philip Glass and is called "Metamorphosis Five" which is interesting since the first and only time we hear or Starbuck's dad, its through a work that is from the "Real World" although I highly doubt it was meant to be along the same lines as Watchtower. I think the producers simply used it because it fit so well to that scene. Can't fathom why Starbuck's dad was not mentioned again. I remember someone mentioning Tigh or Leoben (the latter would be creepy since Kara dreamt of having sex with him) as a father figure of sorts.
I agree that the Basestar music reminded me of Metamorphosis song. Had to watch Torn and Valley of Darkness to check if they were the same songs in fact. Still, a connection between them feels a bit too obscure.
1Nivek1
April 25th, 2008, 04:23 AM
The piano music was made by Philip Glass and is called "Metamorphosis Five"
--quickly off topic (what's new? ;))---
If anyone wants to know how to play it, I can explain it in prob. less than a paragraph. It's very easy piano (as long as you can hit an octave comfortably). It took me less than 5 min to put together, and all you gotta do is memorize about 5 chords.
----back on topic :D ----
You cant confess that such pictures exist and then not share them.
I concur.
Starstruck
April 25th, 2008, 10:56 AM
Heh, let's just say I look okay in a double muscle shirt/fatigue pants combo, but not as good as Starbuck. Anyway, I have to keep my dorkiness hidden from the world at large. ;)
timbo
April 25th, 2008, 11:56 AM
I thought the mother slammed her hand in a door for punishment...
This is a good example of why my strike rate in the guessing game is so poor. I just dont pay enough attention. It is probably also a good example of "forum fever". This is a condition caused by too much time on the forum. Recentlt I have been watching reruns, and instead of just enjoying the characters and story like first time round, I am simply looking for clues to play the guessing game. As you can see from above, I am not very good at this game. Plus, when you watch episodes simply to spot clues, you realise that every episode contains dozens of potentially significant pointers, which cant all be important. I am having fun on the forum. What can I talk about that is not just guessing stuff?
Oh, and Starstruck, I still want to see those photos.
Dzonatas
April 25th, 2008, 01:36 PM
Starbuck has an awesome smile. Makes me jealous. =)
buerger23
April 30th, 2008, 11:24 PM
If we are playing the guessing game then I would have to say Starbuck is really a master cylon bent on the destruction of Humanity! :lol:
james968
April 30th, 2008, 11:48 PM
If we are playing the guessing game then I would have to say Starbuck is really a master cylon bent on the destruction of Humanity! :lol:
Well, She will lead them all to there doom :)
The piano music was made by Philip Glass and is called "Metamorphosis Five"
Metamorphosis Five(??) I have to wonder, is that a really weird coincidence of what it chosen specifically for that title.
ShadowEnigma
May 1st, 2008, 09:22 AM
It's a good piano piece? I don't think the five in Metamorphosis has anything to do with the show. Coincidence probably :p
eirikr
January 24th, 2009, 11:01 PM
Maybe it doesn't make sense, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was the daughter of a "Tigh" model and a "Six" model. Just not the ones we know.
crood
January 26th, 2009, 10:55 AM
OK, if they can now tell that a 2000 year old skeleton is a Cylon, how come there can still be doubt about who is or isn't one? If there's still a question, why not test her and be done with it?
Zlaticko
January 26th, 2009, 10:57 AM
But using Cylon tech: the Colonial Cylons (just kidding) will not believe what is said by the Cloned Cylons.
'It's not that they lie, it that they mix lies with half truths.'
Capedia
January 26th, 2009, 01:50 PM
I'm just a nugget, so forgive me if I'm overstepping my bounds, but doesn't this thead belong in the theorizing/fanwaking folder?
genji2000
January 26th, 2009, 01:56 PM
I'm just a nugget, so forgive me if I'm overstepping my bounds, but doesn't this thead belong in the theorizing/fanwaking folder?
Yes, good spot. We could do with more like you around here.
In our defence, we mods didn't arrange the threads when the new (er...) sub-forums were created. Plus I never read any threads that I haven't already posted on.
Thanks.
icklepants
January 26th, 2009, 02:02 PM
I'm just a nugget, so forgive me if I'm overstepping my bounds, but doesn't this thead belong in the theorizing/fanwaking folder?
Probably. If only I had the Poweeeeer!
But I don't, I'm Teela.
Metamorphosis for anyone who wants to yawn is a Minimalist technique where you change one note at a time in the chord or the loop, each time you change a different note so the resulting loop or chord is entirely different from the original one. Kind of like that word game love->hate, love - lave - late -hate.
It sounds like it's used in the chord progression at the beginning. Weird the Hybrid was babbling on about Metamorphosis though.
Aurora
January 26th, 2009, 06:33 PM
I think Kara's life has been planned out by somebody (or group of somebodies) since before she was born. Her mother seemed to be on a mission in the raising of Kara...making sure she was the best by saying she was no good, making sure she had a single purpose (military) by crippling her emotionally so she wouldnt have a family or someone to love. When Zak came along, I dont think it was a coincidence that he died. It would have pulled Kara away from her purpose.
icklepants
January 26th, 2009, 06:40 PM
I think Kara's life has been planned out by somebody (or group of somebodies) since before she was born. Her mother seemed to be on a mission in the raisng of Kara...making sure she was the best by saying she was no good, making sure she had a single purpose (military) by crippling her emotionally so she wouldnt have a family or someone to love. When Zak came along, I dont think it was a coincidence that he died. It would have pulled Kara away from her purpose.
Are we saying that Kara could be the John Connor of her day? Mum's very Sarah (T2 not the first one, she doesn't have a bad perm).
Zlaticko
January 26th, 2009, 07:04 PM
That's dangerously close to steam powered time machine locomotives.
Aurora
January 26th, 2009, 07:28 PM
Are we saying that Kara could be the John Connor of her day? Mum's very Sarah (T2 not the first one, she doesn't have a bad perm).
Original Sarah was the real badass. It took guts to have that permed hair.
SagiND
January 29th, 2009, 03:02 PM
In a recent episode, we watched Starbuck find her crashed and burned viper, and herself in it. We watched her burn her 'self'. She's a cylon! She's a 13th cylon. She led the people to their own "distruction" - the bombed out planet Earth.
Can't wait to see what's next for Starbuck...
genji2000
January 29th, 2009, 03:11 PM
In a recent episode, we watched Starbuck find her crashed and burned viper, and herself in it. We watched her burn her 'self'. She's a cylon! She's a 13th cylon. She led the people to their own "distruction" - the bombed out planet Earth.
Can't wait to see what's next for Starbuck...
I'm not so sure... I think she's different, not a Cylon - something else. I'll be really disappointed if they go above "there are twelve Cylon models". Enough leeway has been given with "the Final Five are fundamentally different".
Vesihiisi
January 29th, 2009, 03:49 PM
Perhaps it may be possible to resurrect a human in the BSG universe if one tries hard enough and prepares for it long enough. On the other hand, apparently most of the 13th tribe cylons did not resurrect. So maybe resurrection is not the ultimate differentiating factor between human and cylon.
Possibly the distinction between human and cylon is not all that clear, and may be subject to interpretation. Who knows, this may even turn into a commentary on racial disputes in the real world.
Hofner1962
January 30th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Possibly the distinction between human and cylon is not all that clear, and may be subject to interpretation. Who knows, this may even turn into a commentary on racial disputes in the real world.
I could totally see that - they already did the whole disenfranchised underclass. They have been alluded to racism with how people have felt about Athena, but haven't really delved into it because she is sheltered by the military. Also, since the cylons are/were the enemy it is easy to write off the epithets leveled against her as because she is one of them.
This could raise an interesting issue. The cylons want membership. I wonder if anyone will suggest getting them to do the crap work thus raising the specter of the first cylon war. Humans feeling like the cylons are threatening them so tensions rise even higher, etc. I don't think they have time left to really do this story, but it is possible that there will be allusions to it.
icklepants
January 30th, 2009, 01:21 PM
Perhaps it may be possible to resurrect a human in the BSG universe if one tries hard enough and prepares for it long enough. On the other hand, apparently most of the 13th tribe cylons did not resurrect. So maybe resurrection is not the ultimate differentiating factor between human and cylon.
The cylon physiology is different enough for them to be affected by disease and radiation that humans are not. They also are able to tell the difference between cylon and human from remain. The ressurrection issue is something we merely associate with Cylons because that's what they have done but now they can no longer resurrect. Does this not make them Cylon anymore? No. Ergo a distinguishing characteristic of a Cylon is not the ability to download but their physical features.
Keeping the human physiology but adding Cylon technology means we could easily resurrect Kara but still in Human form, it could simply be a more advanced form of what the Cylons do. As we are looking for Kara to be something different, this could easily explain it.
What it doesn't explain is how her mother and Leoben are aware of this factor unless their awareness of the cycle is a lot greater than ours. Either way I believe her death to be a spanner in the works of the cycle as Leoben's reaction was scared of the possibility that she had died.
Eos11Dolphin
January 31st, 2009, 12:35 PM
In mythology, Aurora renews herself each morning by flying across the sky.
Remember when the oracle, Brenn, gives Kara the Aurora figurine, which Adama later places on the bowhead of the model ship? That foreshadowing is right on the money, since not too much later, Kara ends up guiding the ship to Earth.
With the Aurora-Kara tie well founded, then you might want to look at Battlestar Wiki's entry under Aurora: "Aurora is the goddess of the dawn, and possibly one of the Lords of Kobol (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Twelve_Colonies_%28RDM%29#Lords_of _Kobol)."
If the reason for Starbuck's reappearance stems from Kobol, it would seem likely that her father is the key/link.
Anyhow, Leon, that is a good question -- whether she is "outside herself."
lena254
February 3rd, 2009, 07:40 AM
How about this: all skinjobs they are actually the copies of the only 5(12?) humans that survived the nuke 2000 years ago and invented/found the technology to clone and resurrect themselves. If the technology still exists, when Kara did die on her crash on Earth, someone resurrected her with all her memories (except for her death, obviously) into a new body. The spare body could've been existed for a while, since they "experimented" on her on Caprica.
So if this is correct that would mean that the human cylons were never "made" from scratch, like centurions. They're clones of the original humans from Earth. Well, our copies :lol:
Alfagrem
February 3rd, 2009, 08:46 AM
She's the same Starbuck that we met in the mini-series. Something or somebody is however manipulating her for an as yet unknown purpose.
Original Starbuck.
The first Starbuck (broken bones, scars and a recent 8(?) year history was piloting a Viper that was completly destroyed when she went below the hard deck. The Viper break-up was a drawn out affair and noconsistent with a sudden FTL-style jump or some other kind of teleportation.
But what happened to the body/soul of this pilot?
Earth Starbuck.
As we all saw the destruction of the original Viper then the Viper found on earth cannot be the same. All we saw were bits of wreckage that was of a style familar to our Galacticans as similar as the centurion helmet, the jacks, guitar neck etc...
It contained a blonde haired pilot with the initials K.Thrace who also happened to be carrying a wedding band on her dog-tag chains.
Perhaps on this cylon earth - they developed machinery similar to a Viper and one so happened to be piloted by a blonde haired pilot by the name of K. Thrace (possibly Karen, Katie...) she was married and happened to follow the romantic tradition of attaching the ring to her dog-tags!?
New Starbuck.
Cottle ran the tests and physically she is identical to the original Starbuck (DNA, Breaks, Scars etc...) so her body was either physically rescued from the original Viper prior to its destruction or some other 'godly' means was used. The people who did this also supplied her with a new Viper complete with Gun camera footage and a way to trace a signal originating from earth and also some hazy memories of her missing time.
The cylons and Leoben in particular have made no mention of performing such actions or even shown a capability or desire to do this - So who did and why?
Hofner1962
February 3rd, 2009, 01:19 PM
Earth Starbuck.
As we all saw the destruction of the original Viper then the Viper found on earth cannot be the same. All we saw were bits of wreckage that was of a style familar to our Galacticans as similar as the centurion helmet, the jacks, guitar neck etc...
It contained a blonde haired pilot with the initials K.Thrace who also happened to be carrying a wedding band on her dog-tag chains.
Perhaps on this cylon earth - they developed machinery similar to a Viper and one so happened to be piloted by a blonde haired pilot by the name of K. Thrace (possibly Karen, Katie...) she was married and happened to follow the romantic tradition of attaching the ring to her dog-tags!?
And this coincidental pilot didn't just have a wedding band, but the exact same kind as Starbuck. This pilot had the exact same ID number on the dog tags and coincidentally the same tail number on the viper? That is way too much of a strecth for me.
The haven't answered how it got here on this planet yet, but this is the actual body that died in Maelstrom. I believe the whole point of including the wedding ring was to dramatically and visually "prove" that this was the original vessel of Starbucks "soul" without a long boring scene where Cottle examines every distinguishing feature and pronounes her Starbuck subprime one
Creox
February 3rd, 2009, 01:32 PM
And this coincidental pilot didn't just have a wedding band, but the exact same kind as Starbuck. This pilot had the exact same ID number on the dog tags and coincidentally the same tail number on the viper? That is way too much of a strecth for me.
The haven't answered how it got here on this planet yet, but this is the actual body that died in Maelstrom. I believe the whole point of including the wedding ring was to dramatically and visually "prove" that this was the original vessel of Starbucks "soul" without a long boring scene where Cottle examines every distinguishing feature and pronounes her Starbuck subprime one
So....I agree and this leaves only a few possibilities imo. If we assume Moore is telling the truth with respects to time travel and aliens then we can say that Starbuck died and was downloaded into a new body which also created a new viper or.....what other possible scearios and what do you think the writers are willing to entertain?
Colonial Marine NCO
February 3rd, 2009, 02:04 PM
I think the most likely answer is simply that she's one of the Lords of Kobol---specifically the God of Death, hence the whole harbinger thing.
Hofner1962
February 3rd, 2009, 02:45 PM
@Creox
I am not sure what they will entertain. I think this is by far the most explicit supernatural event. Most of the prophecies and Baltar/Tool of God stuff can be rationalized. Not this one - and the Viper + paraphanelia make this a singular event. Up until that happened, I didn't think they would explicitly make "god" an intervening character in the show and leave everything up to interpretation. Now I am not so sure. Note - we don't know yet how Ellen and the other 4 FF come back either. When that mechanism is revealed it may make more sense with Starbuck as well.
I have sort of stopped trying to make predictions. I look at theories and can see where they aren't compelling to me. During the haitus I posted quite a few theories - poked holes in half of them myself. I think it was Vesihiisi that posted a theory where this is Starbuck from another parallel dimension or plane of existence. Tthe Opera House is also in that plane. I will have to try and find it
I think the most likely answer is simply that she's one of the Lords of Kobol---specifically the God of Death, hence the whole harbinger thing.
Disagree there - If she is one of the Lords of Kobol she is Aurora. That link has been set up over and over again.
Pnutmaster
February 3rd, 2009, 03:12 PM
Starbuck apparently died and was reborn in some manner. What that implies about her/this new "being" calling herself Starbuck is virtually unknown.
I think we should focus on a simpler question -- how did Starbuck's Viper, which exploded in the maelstrom, wind up on the surface of a planet tens of thousands of light years away? Was that maelstrom a wormhole? Did something in that maelstrom transport the Viper wreckage and dump it on Earth?
Hofner1962
February 3rd, 2009, 03:22 PM
Starbuck apparently died and was reborn in some manner. What that implies about her/this new "being" calling herself Starbuck is virtually unknown.
I think we should focus on a simpler question -- how did Starbuck's Viper, which exploded in the maelstrom, wind up on the surface of a planet tens of thousands of light years away? Was that maelstrom a wormhole? Did something in that maelstrom transport the Viper wreckage and dump it on Earth?
"It was an overzealous art department. I said I wanted ruins of a viper on Earth and this is what they did. I told them smaller pieces and more scattered but we ran out of time and had to go with what they had already done.":D
earthdaddy
February 3rd, 2009, 04:11 PM
I predict that the series will end with them going back to the maelstrom and driving what's left of the fleet directly into its eye. No epilogue. Nothing. Draw your own conclusions.
Batman316
February 3rd, 2009, 05:29 PM
I predict that the series will end with them going back to the maelstrom and driving what's left of the fleet directly into its eye. No epilogue. Nothing. Draw your own conclusions.
I predict you are wrong ;)
Vesihiisi
February 3rd, 2009, 05:41 PM
I think it was Vesihiisi that posted a theory where this is Starbuck from another parallel dimension or plane of existence. The Opera House is also in that plane. I will have to try and find it.Sorry, doesn't sound familiar.
My best guess is that some sort of resurrection tech was used, and that there is some link between Kara and the cylons, although she is not one. I haven't tried to formulate a coherent theory about this, because the event is so strange. I am pretty much resigned to seeing what RDM comes up with.
Pnutmaster
February 3rd, 2009, 06:18 PM
I am pretty much resigned to seeing what RDM comes up with.
And based on all the "Starbuck" theories I've read, I don't expect to be "wowed" by his explanation. Oh well. When it comes to BSG, it's all in the execution, not the details.
thevarrior
February 3rd, 2009, 06:31 PM
And based on all the "Starbuck" theories I've read, I don't expect to be "wowed" by his explanation. Oh well. When it comes to BSG, it's all in the execution, not the details.
Agreed. Still think LovelyFatima had the best one so far, although it was probably a bit esoteric for the naturalistic tastes.
stavrosg
February 4th, 2009, 05:34 AM
@Creox
I am not sure what they will entertain. I think this is by far the most explicit supernatural event. Most of the prophecies and Baltar/Tool of God stuff can be rationalized. Not this one - and the Viper + paraphanelia make this a singular event. Up until that happened, I didn't think they would explicitly make "god" an intervening character in the show and leave everything up to interpretation. Now I am not so sure. Note - we don't know yet how Ellen and the other 4 FF come back either. When that mechanism is revealed it may make more sense with Starbuck as well.
This, and Baltar's getting up into the air by Head 6. Yes, I know RDM didn't want it to look that way, but the image is shown so he has[?] to produce an explanation in the end.
Alfagrem
February 4th, 2009, 07:30 AM
+ An explanation as to how head six was able to predict that "A child will be born here" when the whole Helo/Eight child issue was unknown to Baltar at that time.
There's certainly some plot or device outside viewer or character knowledge that will explain how a F5 (Ellen) can be resurrected but unless RDM's adding another cylon into the mix that won't explain Starbuck.
So I'm currently following the theory that Starbuck is neither Human nor Cylon and unless we're about to receive a new theory out of the left field then she's somehow linked to the whole cycle of time/gods plotline.
st.barthgirl
February 4th, 2009, 03:58 PM
LAZY ALERT
without reading the whole thread- do any of the watchers of the original series think there may be parallels between the mystery of Starbuck Now, and what was revealed in the Return Of Starbuck? Bring it on!
Zlaticko
February 4th, 2009, 04:02 PM
Well, she wasn't wearing all white.
Pnutmaster
February 4th, 2009, 09:11 PM
without reading the whole thread- do any of the watchers of the original series think there may be parallels between the mystery of Starbuck Now, and what was revealed in the Return Of Starbuck? Bring it on!
I have only seen The Return of Starbuck, but I think there are some intriguing parallels to be noted. The most apparent would be the Being of Light declaring Starbuck and herself parents to the baby that would become Dr.Z, and Head Six telling Baltar that they would be mother and father to the first born of God's New Generation (RDM's Next Generation. lol).
Next, the abstract, "mumbo-jumbo-Banjo-Kazooie" parallel. If you know anything about the TOS, you know Starbuck was a rebellious, lovable womanizing bastard (not unlike RDM's Starbuck). The latter half of The Return of Starbuck was meant to be his turning point, the first selfless act of a "new and self-improved" Starbuck. By sending baby Dr.Z away in his Viper, Starbuck ensured the kid would reach the Galactica. Similarly, I think the guardianship of Hera sparked a change in RDM Baltar's character. We're told that by story's end his character will have undergone a metamorphosis. In short, Baltar will stop thinking about preserving himself. How do I think he will do this? By embracing the role of father and protecting Hera.
st.barthgirl
February 4th, 2009, 09:21 PM
I was wondering about the connection. Dr z= ? and, is there a breakdown of who in RBSG is who in BSG classic? a consensus ?
Remember, the cylon was Starbuck's friend and savior? what of this?
Zlaticko
February 4th, 2009, 09:31 PM
Which means there'll be a cowboy hat showing up soon.
st.barthgirl
February 4th, 2009, 09:40 PM
Ahhhh, space westerns. Gotta love 'em.
But, truly, who's the chick in white in RBSG?
is hera really DR. Z? Why?
I guess my memory does not serve, i thought the cylon as cowboy was a different ep. haven't seen it since it aired.
Pnutmaster
February 4th, 2009, 09:50 PM
But, truly, who's the chick in white in RBSG?
She's hinted to be a Being of Light.
is hera really DR. Z? Why?
Not necessarily, but there is a parallel. RDM could have taken the metaphorical parenthood concept and chucked the rest.
empathy44
February 4th, 2009, 10:05 PM
Sorry, doesn't sound familiar.
My best guess is that some sort of resurrection tech was used, and that there is some link between Kara and the cylons, although she is not one. I haven't tried to formulate a coherent theory about this, because the event is so strange. I am pretty much resigned to seeing what RDM comes up with.
I've been thinking that one resolution for her character could be for her to drive a viper into one of the many planet based mandalas--sort of paralleling Athena's suicide on Kobol.
I think she's a copy, but I don't know if she has the same soul--in other words the same consciousness in a new body--or is just a replica of Kara before she died implanted with information necessary to bring the FF back to Earth.
If the many temples and mandalas associated with the FF were/are relay stations for the consciousnesses of the Final Five to travel along--beginning at the Ionian Nebula--that could explain why she entered one and emerged at another.
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