The Final Cylon and the Lords of Kobol

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Spoilers up through "The Ties that Bind"

I’ve been avoiding a guess about how things will play out, because we simply do not have enough information to do anything more than guess at this point. But a feeling has been increasingly gnawing at my gut, and I am therefore left with no choice but to post it here so you guys can rip it to shreds.

Keep in mind, it’s pretty half-baked. And it’s still just a guess. And I don’t read any spoilers, so if you have to prove/disprove my theory by using spoilers, please don’t.

Okay, so here goes…

The Final Cylon is…

Head Six.

What? http://www.trekbbs.com/images/smilies/wtf.gif

Work with me here.

It may ultimately turn out to be someone else, but I think the Final Cylon exists in some other dimension or plane (“the place between life and death”), and has been communicating to Baltar and Caprica Six in the image of Head Six and Head Baltar. As to what his ultimate agenda is, I have no idea, nor whether he should be considered “good” or “evil.”

Further, I think the Final Cylon is one of the Lords of Kobol, specifically the "one jealous god who began to desire that he be elevated above all the other gods, and the war on Kobol began." (This is also mirrored by Cavil's current struggle to gain control, even by lobotomizing and killing his fellow 'Lords' if necessary. Also by Roslin's potential attmepts to seize power from the other bracnhes of government.)

As Adama would say, you cannot play god and then wash your hands of the things that you've done.

Further, I think that the Final Four are also Lords of Kobol, specifically whatever Lords were left after whatever battles they fought amongst themselves or others. (We know that Athena killed herself, so it's conceivable for them to die.)

Here’s how it went. Some version of life began on Earth (and possibly predates Earth by starting somewhere else). The Lords of Kobol came to Kobol. Maybe they created/built the humans. Maybe they imported them from Earth. They used humans for simple tasks and everybody lived in paradise. The Humans were created by the Lords. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. (They were fruitful and multiplied.) And they have plan.

So the humans bailed on Kobol. Twelve tribes went to form the new colonies. One colony went searching for / stumbled onto / returned to Earth, possibly following this new One God, the Lord of Kobol who just had to have all the power.

[My sub-theory is that the Lords of Kobol and humans began on Earth, explaining why our ancestors worshipped them. They left Earth for Kobol (for whatever reasons), leaving plenty of humans to continue worhipping them in their wake. When the 13th tribe left Kobol for Earth, possibly along with manipulations by the Final Cylon/One God, this coincided with the shift on Earth from polytheism to monotheism. (Maybe Jesus was a Baltar-like follower of FC in our own past.) Keep in mind that the artifacts in BSG get older as we get closer to Earth, indicating at least one Earth to Kobol journey.]

Back on the new twelve colonies, it started all over again. The humans built the Cylons. They used Cylons for simple tasks and everybody lived in paradise. The Cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have plan.

So the Cylons go off and find their own world. They lobotomize/enslave/create the Centurions and Raiders, and the whole thing happens again.

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

Something caused the other Lords of Kobol to go dormant (or remain in the shadows). Maybe they were working with the Seven Cylons (hence the Seven's awareness of the Five) and then chose to program them not to think of the Final Five until it was strategically important to do so.

Then Kara Thrace (with her special destiny) flew through the Maelstrom and somehow awakened them. Precisely as she returns, the Final Four “switch on.” I just don’t buy that the Final Four are robots or that they have always been Cylons or that they were killed and replaced with Cylon duplicates. I’m going with a possession or inhabitation model, where the Lords just sort of slipped into their skin and are sharing consciousness with them. I think Tory might be Aphrodite, the goddess of love and sexuality. As she was “awakening,” she was all over Anders. Then recently jumped into bed with Baltar. And was getting all touchy, feely with Chief. I won’t even hazard a guess as to the others might be.

Anyway, I think this will all ultimately be representative of a larger power struggle between the Cylon One God (who is also the greedy Lord of Kobol) and whatever Lords of Kobol remain, presumably the Final Four.

If I’m right, there are definitely shades of God / Lucifer / Iblis in the Final Cylon. We have recently seen images which can be construed to be the Ship of Lights (look it up). The Ship was also an inter-dimensional potential battleground of god-like beings.

Oracles and Hybrids are like crude receivers, picking up on only bits of the message. This would also explain how the Oracle on New Caprica was able to "communicate" with both the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol.

The Final Cylon could still ultimately be played by another actor, but I think it is he or his agent that is speaking to Baltar and Caprica Six through their invisible companions. Final Cylon (FC) is also urging Baltar away from the “old” belief in the Lords of Kobol into the “new” belief in one god (himself), and both Baltar and his One God are quickly picking up followers. This makes much more sense than a Cylon chip in his brain, and is more dramatic than some level of psychosis.

RDM mentioned at one point that he had thought about having Head Six introduce Baltar to the Cylon God (possibly played by Dirk Benedict) at the end of season one. This is consistent with my theory.

Also, for those of you who are sure that we were told that the Final Cylon has been around since season one (which is still up for debate), this fits the bill. Head Six has been manipulating Baltar since the mini-series.

Also, let’s look at the BSG “Last Supper” photo. Is the empty chair saved for the Final Cylon? Maybe the Final Cylon is already sitting there, and no one else can see him. We have seen scenes where Baltar is speaking to Head Six (“Home,” for example), and the scene is depicted as Baltar speaking to an empty chair.

So what part does Starbuck play? Is she one of the other Lords of Kobol? Is she simply a catalyst? I have no idea. The door is also theoretically open for a 13th Cylon that could correspond with the 13th tribe. She could be that.

Whatever “War of the Gods” will ultimately be played out between FC and the Final Four, it will most likely serve only as a backdrop for our major characters, since what happens to "our people" and the decisions they make is ultimately more important than what happens to any Lords or Gods. (And I’m a little uncomfortable with any potential similarities between this theory and Babylon 5’s war between the Vorlons and the Shadows.)

Anyway, that’s my guess. The Final Cylon is Head Six / Head Baltar / Whomever is Speaking to Baltar and Six in their Image.

Thoughts?

[ouiouiwewe]

Nice theory and we still have no indication that the final cylon is part of the main cast. I doubt it'd be the inner Six or inner Balter though.

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Yeah, my theory still has a few kinks in it.

There are some fans who swear that RDM has known who the Final Cylon is since day one and that FC has been on screen since then, but no one can back that up with much authority.

Plus, RDM can change -- and has changed -- his mind as often as he likes.

[Dzonatas]

Anyway, that’s my guess. The Final Cylon is Head Six / Head Baltar / Whomever is Speaking to Baltar and Six in their Image.

Thoughts?

See here: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/IL-series

And:

"In the original novelization, the Imperious Leader had three brains, all capable of independent or collective, unified thought. In addition, the sitting Imperious Leader could seek telepathic advice from the preserved brains of its predecessors, maintained in the "thought archives." Presumably, Leaders who were killed in action and whose bodies could not be recovered were not represented in these archives."

-- http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Imperious_Leader

In the new series, it look as they did away with the reptilian race and anything like it. The producers were pretty upset how that race got portrayed in the series, so it makes since to not re-open an old wound. Instead of the IL-Cylons communicating with the Imperious Leader, the new 'virtual' versions 'commune with the one true God'.

[buerger23]

Just think if they had put the Reptilian race in this series? It would be changed so much!

[Dzonatas]

Plus, RDM can change -- and has changed -- his mind as often as he likes.

Yep, there are several possibilities left open. That's why I don't think we will really know until the end, and watching a bit of the new Caprica series to explain it more.

[timbo]

Hmmm, interesting. First off, I have to say, it´s horrible, isnt it when you put your heart and soul into posting an idea, and then the first person to respond says "no, I don´t think that´s right". I want to say though that I liked it. There are some interesting ideas in there, especially the idea that the final cylon may not be a conventional character, or even what we think of as a person. What do you mean by the cylon´s one God? Do you think that their God is their creator or something like that?, maybe a human who was involved in developing their autonomy. Recently, an idea has been crystalising in my mind. There seem to be really big differences in how people concieve of God. That conception must be important, both to the writers and the fans. I think it is basically a story of humanity reaching for God when their backs are truly against the wall. I may be way off the mark, but it seems like a lot of people talk about God as if he is inside the story, one of the characters almost. For me he is outside the story, and outside human understanding. God - inside or outside the story. Yeah, that´s the question.

[Dzonatas]

Just think if they had put the Reptilian race in this series? It would be changed so much!

I watched "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem" today, it made me think the same. In my head, "only if the reptilian race looked like Predator..."

[Dzonatas]

Do you think that their God is their creator or something like that?

Ya, I haven't found any traces for cylon's to be thiest's. The mention of the word God/god doesn't mean they have faith in a super being. But yes, more like their creator... humans (instead of reptilians :thumbsup:).

We'll probably find out when the equivalent to the Beings of Light show up.

[buerger23]

Then at least we would know where the Cylon's got there design from? And you know how Alien and Predator is connected what If BSG is connected into that universe as well. And then Galactica jumps into Earth's orbit and finds all the humans egressing the planet becasue of an Alien invasion.

[Leoben]

Assuming they show up at all. Just because it's in the original, doesn't mean it will make it here. Also this giant metaphysical battle of the gods thing seems like a giant cop out for the writers who feel like they have to explain everything and this is the only thing they could think of.

That said, this is probably the best post I've seen of this nature. However, I don't buy that some of the F5 or the Admiral or anyone else is actually god, a Lord of Kobol or any other derivative. Let's hope they keep the story based somewhere in reality.

I would like to point out, that while I may not agree with your theory, I'm still glad you posted it for us to read. Everyone has varying opinions on what the show will bring and everyone is. of course, entitled to them. The forums at times can get a little heated, especially lately, but nothing I have written should be seen as an attack, just a different opinion.

Edit: My comment about writers is speaking of the writers of the show, not the authors of this and other threads.

[Dzonatas]

TOS used to have the rumor that it was mormon propaganda because of the plurity of god, and that man can become god.

If you created Number Six, wouldn't you feel like a God? =p

Some believe the comet seen by Kara is the ship for the Beings of Light. We'll have to see.

[timbo]

Assuming they show up at all. Just because it's in the original, doesn't mean it will make it here. Also this giant metaphysical battle of the gods thing seems like a giant cop out for the writers who feel like they have to explain everything and this is the only thing they could think of.

That said, this is probably the best post I've seen of this nature. However, I don't buy that some of the F5 or the Admiral or anyone else is actually god, a Lord of Kobol or any other derivative. Let's hope they keep the story based somewhere in reality.

I would like to point out, that while I may not agree with your theory, I'm still glad you posted it for us to read. Everyone has varying opinions on what the show will bring and everyone is. of course, entitled to them. The forums at times can get a little heated, especially lately, but nothing I have written should be seen as an attack, just a different opinion.

Edit: My comment about writers is speaking of the writers of the show, not the authors of this and other threads.


I don´t see it as an attack and I like a little heat, but I dont think it would be a cop out, I think (and hope) that´s where the story has always been heading. C´mon Leoben, you are for me the "mystic cylon", the most spirtual one. When they wrote the bible, and they couldn´t explain the resurection logically, it wasn´t a cop out to say God did it.

I too hope that Adama doesn´t turn out to be a Lord of Kobol, however, I think the story has always been outside the bounds of what we would consider as reality.

Maybe, in the end, the joy we get from the show will depend on what we think about some of this stuff. Maybe that is what the writers want. Too heavy?

[Leoben]

I don't think incorporating religion or the idea of divinity is a cop out. I think having god show up and lay it down for people come the end of the show IS.

I like the religious and spiritual elements to the show. I just prefer that they remain largely up to our interpretation. It gives the show a richness to allow for things like that. I think making characters gods detracts from that.

[Dzonatas]

I like the religious and spiritual elements to the show. I just prefer that they remain largely up to our interpretation. It gives the show a richness to allow for things like that. I think making characters gods detracts from that.

Not everybody thinks of something metaphysical when they explain god. Leoban, for example, talked about the soul in a non-metaphysical way, but the words he used were very spiritual. I think the writers are trying to rationalize it with technology. His soul goes back to the resurrection ship.

[1Nivek1]

Welp, I disagree that the 5th will be not be a character. Your opinion is sound, I just think that they have built (and will continue), the who's the final cylon - thing, that it being some existential character would lead to people throwing their tv's out the window.

I do agree on the F5 having some connect (if not downright are) to Lords of Kobol. As far as divinity goes to these lords, I think the choice of the word "lord" is huge. I think this suggests as founders, a la lords in a feudal system, not Lord as in God. I think if they were going this route, they would be "gods of Kobol", and we'd have no Greek mythology to begin with.

Now, that being said(those are just my opinions and my drawn out 2-page long rationals are in other threads), I do think the idea of the 5th as wanting more power than the other 4 is very interesting. I was not aware of that statement from the scrolls (often in one ear---out the other)..

I subscribe to Lee being the 5th, and this would play well. That after undermining Roslin, and being used by Zarek. After betraying his father because he believed in "shared" power....He will sorta go Anakin Skywalker/Emperor on us because he believes he can get more done, root out corruption, only to become a despot.

It is interesting to note that Lee said something on the lines of "benevolent despot", and Zarek responded "tyranny for the sake of power" (don't remember the exact words). This is possibly a huge foreshadow that I missed ---that it won't be Roslin that will lead them to tryanny, but Lee!

I know you don't subscribe to the same theory, but I figured I'd post in response to the good catch.

[Dzonatas]

Lee still seems like a Locutus if he flips. Kinda silly even if well played.

Zarek could take that place, instead. but...

I still think with the tribunal on the agenda it will uncover one of already known f4 to the crew. At that point, the real 'justice' begins...

Roslin finds out that her tribunal was loaded with cylons! *gasp*

[Dzonatas]

As far as divinity goes to these lords, I think the choice of the word "lord" is huge.

Consider how they use projectile weapons instead of lasers, I doubt we have to worry about a peripeteia that supports more metaphysics.

[t8765]

My theory is that Adm. Adama is the final cylon. He is one of a kind and there are no copies. He was created and placed in his possession (around the end of the 1st war) because the cylons needed someone to take charge after the attack on the 12 colonies and unite the fleet behind the quest for Earth and keep them on that track, which is one thing Adama has never wavered from.

The Cylons want to live in peace with God, we created them and we are their Gods in order to make this unification happen they needed to reduce the population by about 99% to a more manageable number. They needed to give us a reason to find Earth, which they did by destroying the 12 colonies. And they need to establish a means for reproduction between us, which they are working on.

If the Cylons want to find earth and want to unify with us to take the next step in both our evolution they would need someone like Adama out front leading mankind, they supply motivation by means of the war and mankind supplies the natural drive to endure and survive by finding Earth.

Any takers?

[Leoben]

I think if the Cylons had unity as the initial goal they would have just you know...not nuked us.

I believe unity between the races is inevitable. I just don't think it was on the Cylon "to do list" in the beginning.

[t8765]

Pre-war reunification would be changing the collective destiny of several billion humans that would all be pretty apathetic, not really seeing change as necessary or desired since life on the 12 colonies was pretty sweet. However changing the destiny of a species numbering only in the mid 10 thousands would be monumentally easier.

Sure, sure everyone in the fleet hates the toasters for nuking their homes, families, pets, ect but Cylons can blame that all on the war hungry human hating #1's then create a mid-war insurgence from the Diana’s and the 6's to put a new face on the cylons and you have a cylon race humanity could consider hooking back up with.

[Leoben]

Like I said, I see humans and Cylons joining as one, at least in some respect. I just don't believe unification was the Cylons a goal at any point pre-destruction of the 12 colonies.

[t8765]

The 1st war ended suddenly because the cylons decided total destruction of humans was not the way they wanted to go. I think they decided at that moment they did not want to wipe out their creator and be left alone in the universe. So they spent the next 40 years breeding skin jobs and placing them in the colonies setting the stage for Armageddon, war, and manipulating the two back together and into a new beginning on Earth.

[Leoben]

I wasn't aware that we were ever told the motivations for the first war ending. I don't see much evidence to support your theories.

That's not to say they're bad, just that I don't subscribe to them and I don't see anything in the show that would sway me in that direction.

[Osprey]

so the cylons pick a rookie pilot LTjg to become their "ideal agent" -- sorry, not buying at the moment ...

[Leoben]

You know Osprey, I hadn't even thought of that. Good point that, he was still a nugget when we see him at the end of the first Cylon war.

[t8765]

I did not mean to presuppose the reason for the end of the 1st war, that is just theory on my part based on observation it didn’t appear (in razor) that the war ended because the cylons were loosing. It looked to me like they made a break through on that ice planet and ended the conflict because they had another direction they wanted to pursue in order to win.

There is certainly no solid clues in the series up to this point that would enable us to figure out the ending the writers can't be as good as they are and make it that easy so all of this is just conjecture on my part but there has to be a few jaw dropping plot twist at the end that is going to leave us all with a since of closure and satisfaction.

I think we can agree we are going to find earth, that is a given.
The series is going to end there is no doubt about that, it cant end with this conflict still ongoing.
A end with a total victory by one side (one side wiping out the other) seems highly unlikely to me. It seems really anticlimactic.
So I think unification is a given, we are already seeing factions in the cylons good guys and bad guys one we can cheer and one we can boo. This will make unification more acceptable (from the viewers standpoint)

I think its Adama just because he's the dark horse, its the last one you would expect, the heart wrenching, no-no-say-it-aint-so-ending.

by the way any rookie boot LT who ejects in low orbit than has a free fall fight with a centurion and wins must be distined for great things.

[timbo]

I don't think incorporating religion or the idea of divinity is a cop out. I think having god show up and lay it down for people come the end of the show IS.

I like the religious and spiritual elements to the show. I just prefer that they remain largely up to our interpretation. It gives the show a richness to allow for things like that. I think making characters gods detracts from that.


Ok, I misunderstood, soory. Put like that, I agree with you.

[ShadowEnigma]

My theory is that Adm. Adama is the final cylon. He is one of a kind and there are no copies. He was created and placed in his possession (around the end of the 1st war) because the cylons needed someone to take charge after the attack on the 12 colonies and unite the fleet behind the quest for Earth and keep them on that track, which is one thing Adama has never wavered from.

But he's been around well before the 1st Cylon war hasn't he? I dunno if I can buy it that he was placed there for that purpose.

The 1st war ended suddenly because the cylons decided total destruction of humans was not the way they wanted to go. I think they decided at that moment they did not want to wipe out their creator and be left alone in the universe. So they spent the next 40 years breeding skin jobs and placing them in the colonies setting the stage for Armageddon, war, and manipulating the two back together and into a new beginning on Earth.

They were probably just losing and needed to rebuild :lol:

I think we can agree we are going to find earth, that is a given.
The series is going to end there is no doubt about that, it cant end with this conflict still ongoing.
A end with a total victory by one side (one side wiping out the other) seems highly unlikely to me. It seems really anticlimactic.
So I think unification is a given, we are already seeing factions in the cylons good guys and bad guys one we can cheer and one we can boo. This will make unification more acceptable (from the viewers standpoint)

I don't think any of that is given. Why not end the series without finding Earth? Or the two sides breaking a part to start the cycle over again?

by the way any rookie boot LT who ejects in low orbit than has a free fall fight with a centurion and wins must be distined for great things.

I'll agree with that!

[Jason1975]

My theory is that Adm. Adama is the final cylon. He is one of a kind and there are no copies. He was created and placed in his possession (around the end of the 1st war) because the cylons needed someone to take charge after the attack on the 12 colonies and unite the fleet behind the quest for Earth and keep them on that track, which is one thing Adama has never wavered from.

The Cylons want to live in peace with God, we created them and we are their Gods in order to make this unification happen they needed to reduce the population by about 99% to a more manageable number. They needed to give us a reason to find Earth, which they did by destroying the 12 colonies. And they need to establish a means for reproduction between us, which they are working on.

If the Cylons want to find earth and want to unify with us to take the next step in both our evolution they would need someone like Adama out front leading mankind, they supply motivation by means of the war and mankind supplies the natural drive to endure and survive by finding Earth.

Any takers?

I have one question about that theory. In Razor, the hybrid says that the last cylon is looking for redemption. Why does Adm. Adama need redemption for?

[Dzonatas]

We don't know if they mean redemption in a religious means or if in a way to get something back that they had.


#15 "We found a bug."
#18 "What happened."
#15 "We killed our god."
#18 "Can you fix it?"

[Osprey]

i agree the evidence shows the cylons stopped fighting in the first war because they chose to, not out of trying to sue for peace under some specific terms. some sort of skinjob breakthrough could clearly drive that, tho the breakthrough took, what, less than 12 years presuming it occured sometime during the first war and yet they took 3 times as long to "perfect" it with the s7, so somewhat strange timeline-wise but not implausible.

still not buying they chose a young tauron viper jock for their centerpiece project nearly at random tho ...

[Dzonatas]

It certainly leaves it open for Adama to explain more.

[hotdog]

Half-baked?!

Gotta say, it seems pretty well thought out. I really like how you incorporated repetition, which I believe is essential to the story, in your theory.

However, there is one potential kink in your theory, with regards to the final Cylon being the Cylon God. That is, if you take the fifth cylon to be the Final Cylon, barring the existence of a thirteenth.

Anyway here it is.

Every time somebody(D'anna, Baltar and Head Six) sees the FF, they are standing together, Which would suggest they are not at war with each other.

I agree that there could probably be an explanation for the Fifth's delayed awakening other than a lack of need at the present time. Maybe it's already up, or maybe it's not around. But I definitely think there could be a 13th Cylon/God.

At any rate, I think if there really are "Gods", it should be explained why they are as such, like older Cylon models or something, mainly because this show has been so blissfully un-corny until this point.

Again, VERY well thought out.

[1Nivek1]

I have one question about that theory. In Razor, the hybrid says that the last cylon is looking for redemption. Why does Adm. Adama need redemption for?

Well, that's the beauty of the riddlesome hybrids....everyone is a sinner, and therefore everyone needs redemption.

In regards to Adama:
1.Possibly starting the war and shooting down a friendly
2.Being a bad/absent father/husband
3.Coup d'etat
4.Every possible "wrong" decision he always alludes to having to "live with"
5.Not taking care of his acne during adolescence

[ShadowEnigma]

Well, that's the beauty of the riddlesome hybrids....everyone is a sinner, and therefore everyone needs redemption.

5.Not taking care of his acne during adolescence

Haha. Though i think it serves him well now. It adds to the character, I think anyways.

[Mishakal]

I think that RDM will leave the ultimate "truth" of which religion is correct in an ambiguous state for dramatic effect up until the very end and then the big reveal will be.......

They are both right.

The Cylon God and the "Jealous One" of the Sacred Scrolls are one and the same and the Lords of Kobol also exist (RDM gave the game away at a Beliefnet article a couple years back) and that both the Cylons and the Humans have "souls" that come from their respective deities.

I don't think that we will be seeing either the Cylon God or the Lords of Kobol in the flesh (it's too corney) but that this conclusion will come from both the humans and the cylons comparing notes at a later date.

[Dzonatas]

Virtual Leoben is the closest image to one. It remains unknown if virtual Leoben was a Being Of Light or something else, but he wasn't a cylon.

[Leoben]

Well we really don't have any idea what he was. Kara says "you aren't Leoben" and he does reply "I never said I was." That being said, he also doesn't deny it. In some ways I don't think it was him, in others I do. If the manifestation was something closer to the divine, why would it pick someone that Kara identifies as evil? Why not have her see Lee, or Zack or someone should could trust out the gate?

[Dzonatas]

Bringing back the past is something that can easily to viewer as what cylons can't do?

[hotdog]

My guess is that virtual beings(Baltar, Six, Leoben) are all the same thing, speaking to key characters who are in need of guidance, and it's as simple as that. Head Six says from the get go that she's a messenger from God sent there to help Baltar. What could be more of a head slapper at the end than that? After all the theories trying to figure out what the virtual beings are, and they turn out to be exactly what they say they are!

But what is God? Let's assume for posterity that RDM will not give us a giant golden man enveloped in silver clouds that tinkers around with sentient life forms for no good reason at all and call it "God". Let's just say that God's all around us. It's our destiny,(despite our "freewill) and the thing the gave us life/brought us here and all the good stuff etc.

This(IMO) is not the same god as the Cylon's "One God" that they're always talking about. I repeat. The God that visits Kara, and Six, and Baltar, and that Baltar prays to and teaches about is not the same God that the Cylons ramble on and on about.

The Cylon god is the 13th Lord of Kobol. The Cylons are descended from that God, and the humans from the other 12. The 13th lord was pissed at the other gods, and devised a secret plan to destroy their children. But the real God, the one that no one will ever prove or disprove the existence of but can be used to represent the the existence and purpose of all things, decided not to let that happen, and is using certain characters to prevent total genocide on either side which would be entirely catastrophic.

So, basically, the "Real God" is the story. Destiny. Fate. The way things are supposed to go down. Whatever.

Just a theory.

[1Nivek1]

My guess is that virtual beings(Baltar, Six, Leoben) are all the same thing, speaking to key characters who are in need of guidance, and it's as simple as that. Head Six says from the get go that she's a messenger from God sent there to help Baltar. What could be more of a head slapper at the end than that? After all the theories trying to figure out what the virtual beings are, and they turn out to be exactly what they say they are!

100% agree....it's a story-tool for conflicting ideas in one mind.

The Cylon god is the 13th Lord of Kobol. The Cylons are descended from that God, and the humans from the other 12. The 13th lord was pissed at the other gods, and devised a secret plan to destroy their children. But the real God, the one that no one will ever prove or disprove the existence of but can be used to represent the the existence and purpose of all things, decided not to let that happen, and is using certain characters to prevent total genocide on either side which would be entirely catastrophic.


Well, you're walking out on a branch....:p

Don't quite know here, they could play it a million ways; but I do feel, while the writers don't need to have a direct connection to Earth, with the whole Greek mythology thing, there's gotta be something to tie in.

The more and more people come up with theories, the more and more I think it will be "left for interpretation" :mad:

[Leoben]

The more and more people come up with theories, the more and more I think it will be "left for interpretation" :mad:

I really think this is how it's going to go down.

The Greek mythology could simply be used to give us something we are already familiar with.

In the end though, I think they are going to keep the facts very grounded and leave the spiritual/divine questions up to our own interpretations. I didn't always think this. But the more I see of the show, especially in season 4, the more I'm reminded that the focus is on very real, very human stories. I just think they'll run with that principle till the end.

[1Nivek1]

Well, Leoben...you just made me start a new thread:thumbsup: