And the last cylon is...

[thecag]

The fifth cylon is the woman that Baltar sleeps with in the first episode of this season. Everyone has been focusing on the last main characters but I think she will be it.

Think about it. The first thing that happens when baltar meets the cult is that she is left alone with him and then she seduces him with references to the one god much like the Six has done.

I predict that she will become a much more important charater in the coming episodes an will likely become pregnant with Baltars child. this will make for an excelent plot twist. Most other possibilies are anti-climactic and od not make sense.

Please share your thoughts...

[JDS]

Psh, I feel god's presence whenever I had two handfuls of breast.

:lol:

Seriously though, I like this idea. I don't think it's going to pan out...I don't attach much significance to what she said, she'd say anything to get him interested...but maybe you're right. We'll see!

[Leoben]

My biggest problem with this, and any minor character brought up to be the final Cylon is this: You have little to no emotional investment in the character. We get to see this girl for maybe half a season, and suddenly poof, she's our final Cylon?

I just have a hard time buying the theory. Did we even see her in Six of One? If we are to believe what we've heard, the final Cylon has been around since the beginning. So that would rule out that woman.

Think of Tigh, when he enters the rec-room and lets out that "whoaaaa" when he sees Tyrol, Tory and Anders standing there. That's the response I think most of us had at that scene, and should be the one we have for our final Cylon.

Tory is arguably the most minor of the Four. However, she is still the presidents right hand, she tried to fix the election (with Tigh's assistance) and was involved with the resistance on New Caprica (assisting Laura with tying names to photos of the humans of the NCP).

This girl that Gaius slept with, said she prays to the Gods (plural) and then Gaius gives the speech about her Gods are false, etc. Now it seems everyone in the "cult" subscribes to the monotheistic religion of the BSG universe. She isn't special. Truthfully, I think she was merely a device to show a little more about what these people are like.

JDS, that was the best part of that scene. "Do you feel Gods presence?", Gaius, with a handful of breasts "you know I think I do." Priceless Gaius material yet again.

[Osprey]

rdm can be coy, but he pretty much doesn't mislead -- he's said there have been clues in seas. 1-3 re: the final cylon, so i think we're stuck with folks who have appeared mult. times within that timeframe ...

[JDS]

JDS, that was the best part of that scene. "Do you feel Gods presence?", Gaius, with a handful of breasts "you know I think I do." Priceless Gaius material yet again.I want to marry Cally and I want Bill Adama to be my commanding officer and I want the Chief to be my best friend but I really think James Callis as Gaius Baltar is the crown jewel of this series :lol:

[Osprey]

"I want to marry Cally [snip] I want the Chief to be my best friend"

incompatability alert!
:-)
:-)

[Leoben]

rdm can be coy, but he pretty much doesn't mislead -- he's said there have been clues in seas. 1-3 re: the final cylon, so i think we're stuck with folks who have appeared mult. times within that timeframe ...

I've been pouring over the old stuff for clues. I've seen some potential ones, somehow I think I'm just looking to damn hard. It's like the Cylon device on the Dradis console. It's staring us in the face, yet no one picks up on it.

But you speak the truth, he tries not to lie, just avoids situations/answers where he might forced to. That is one thing I believe him on though. Our final Cylon has been around since S1/the miniseries.

[thecag]

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but if I turn out to be right I hope you will remeber you heard it here first...

I have mulled over very other possibility and I expect the writers give us somehting really good no matter what. So far BSG has not let me down...

[thecag]

BTW, My logic on the last cylon theory is based on the following:
1. It cannot be someone who has died or they would be resurected and the other models would know. Besides, the five are supposed to be with the fleet at this point. This rules out a lot of possibilies such as Lee's dead brother and Tigh's wife as some of my friends have speculated.
2. Most of the main characters such as Starbuck and Baltar are too obviuos so it would not make for a good story.
3. The "Last Supper" photo alludes to Dee due to the patern of human/cylon couples in it but I'm not sold on that idea yet.
4. A couple of the characters that recently turned out to be cylons did not become important till later seasons so someone could come up in the last season that we did not expect. We still have many more episodes left.
5. I guess I just expect somehting more creative and unexpected.

[Coopsomulous]

I've been pouring over the old stuff for clues. I've seen some potential ones, somehow I think I'm just looking to damn hard. It's like the Cylon device on the Dradis console. It's staring us in the face, yet no one picks up on it.

But you speak the truth, he tries not to lie, just avoids situations/answers where he might forced to. That is one thing I believe him on though. Our final Cylon has been around since S1/the miniseries.

Like you said Leoben, its going to be so obvious when the reveal happens that we are all going to say "How did we miss that".

[leon]

I vote Baltar. He sees his imaginary self and they have a conversation. Only Cylons do that. Only Cylons appear as imaginary friends.

[Shane]

Psh, I feel god's presence whenever I had two handfuls of breast.:lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[buerger23]

That's the greatest!

[Ertai]

naf naf. And I call my self god if it'll be... Helo.
1/ Why shouldn't be Hera a child of two Cylons? "New generation of God's child's".
Hera's blood is an anormal and Niki's (most certenetly) not.
2/ Helo saved entire Cylon civilization - it was ridiculous, even in he's situation.
3/ Now he's in Demetrius on the mission to find Earth.
And I think he's number 10. 7 - Tory , 9 - Tigh, 11 - Sam, 12 - Tyrol.
The higher number the more advanced model is and more humanlike.

[ShadowEnigma]

You don't think 7 is for a special model more religious like? Why do you feel Tyrol is more human than the others? I'm curious.

Helo is an interesting pick.

Welcome to the forums!

[Ertai]

7 is a magic number - right... But as consequence of "theory of advancement" I think Tory is not as humane as 8 (Bommer/Sharon). She killed Cally with cold blood. Also he prooved he is good speeker (by saving Niki) and she's close to Gaius - it's possible that her mystic plot is yet to be revealed.

Tigh is also a quite simple man, so before i've sow S04E03 i belived he can be 7. But he isn't merciless (ex. Elen plot).

From the other hand - Nr. One calls one of Final Five a Messiah...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Leonardo_da_Vinci_%281452-1519%29_-_The_Last_Supper_%281495-1498%29.jpg
... and He is the seventh on the right. So it's makes me believe Nr. Seven can be the last cylon.

Chief is not as agressive as the others that why I belive he has to be last number.

PS. sorry 4 my English =]

[t8765]

I agree for it to be the big Battlestar ending we all know is coming it has to be someone we are emotionally invested in, someone who has been around since season 1 and seems above reproach

Starbuck is out because we all half expect her to be a clyon after disappearing then coming back

Baltar is to easy and we already squeezed all the drama out of that one in the episodes where he thought he was a cylon

If you decide what the ultimate mission of the clyons is, then ask yourself if the cylons could plant 1 operative who would be placed in the ultimate spot to carry out that mission? then there can be only one.

[Coopsomulous]

naf naf. And I call my self god if it'll be... Helo.
1/ Why shouldn't be Hera a child of two Cylons? "New generation of God's child's".
Hera's blood is an anormal and Niki's (most certenetly) not.
2/ Helo saved entire Cylon civilization - it was ridiculous, even in he's situation.
3/ Now he's in Demetrius on the mission to find Earth.
And I think he's number 10. 7 - Tory , 9 - Tigh, 11 - Sam, 12 - Tyrol.
The higher number the more advanced model is and more humanlike.

I've been arguing its Helo for ages - i like and agree with your number thoery. Especially when Cavil (aka number 1) believes that they are all only machines.

[Dzonatas]

Helo was written in after s1 started.

[ShadowEnigma]

Helo was written in after s1 started.

What do you mean? Helo was in the Miniseries.

[Dzonatas]

What do you mean? Helo was in the Miniseries.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Helo#Character

Second note in above link

[ShadowEnigma]

What that he was initially an expendable character until he proved himself in the Miniseries?

[Starstruck]

I agree for it to be the big Battlestar ending we all know is coming it has to be someone we are emotionally invested in, someone who has been around since season 1 and seems above reproach

Starbuck is out because we all half expect her to be a clyon after disappearing then coming back

Baltar is to easy and we already squeezed all the drama out of that one in the episodes where he thought he was a cylon

If you decide what the ultimate mission of the clyons is, then ask yourself if the cylons could plant 1 operative who would be placed in the ultimate spot to carry out that mission? then there can be only one.

I agree with this line of reasoning too. Six of One made it look like Baltar again, Ties that Bind gave evidence for Kara, but I think they're both red herrings. So, who do you think it is? Based on that last line, I would guess you think Roslyn or Bill Adama. But if that's the case, do you give no credence to the statement that the cylon is not in the Last Supper photo?

[Starstruck]

I would also point out that a very good spot to put the final one would be on that ship with Kara who is seeking Earth.

Gaeta, Helo, Seelix? ... who else is there?

[Jason1975]

I would also point out that a very good spot to put the final one would be on that ship with Kara who is seeking Earth.

Gaeta, Helo, Seelix? ... who else is there?

The only other characters I know are Anders and Athena.

[ShadowEnigma]

Demetrius has:
The hand-picked crew consists of:


Karl Agathon (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Karl_Agathon)
Felix Gaeta (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Felix_Gaeta)
Sharon Agathon (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Sharon_Agathon)
Samuel Anders (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Samuel_Anders)
Diana Seelix (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Diana_Seelix)
Eammon Pike (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Eammon_Pike)
the unnamed tattooed pilot (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Tattooed_pilot)
At least three other crew members.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Demetrius

[Dzonatas]

What that he was initially an expendable character until he proved himself in the Miniseries?

That his character was expendable sounds like RDM already had the final cylon in mind before Helo had larger role.

[empathy44]

If it's Helo, that would make the whole hybrid baby plot moot! They keep saying Cylons can't reproduce.

I think it's either Cottle or Felix.

[Leoben]

Actually the first fully Cylon reproduction would still have a huge impact on their race.

Felix is just a step up from Dualla in terms of my care-o-meter. We might see him develop more though since he's on the ship with Kara, who knows.

[buerger23]

I would like to see Gaeta become a more rounded character but I would heve to put him a little bit higher than where he is now on the care-o-meter. Are we becoming Galactica Care Bears here or what?

[Leoben]

Not care bears, however they need to flesh out Gaeta substantially more if they were to make him the last Cylon. As it stands now, he's almost as far down as Dualla on my list of good choices for the last Cylon.

[Dzonatas]

I thought about Cottle, too. I wonder how the backstory really supports it, however, with his knowledge of human medicine.

[buerger23]

Ya, as it stands right now he is defiantly not a good choice for the FFifth. I mean Gaeta isn't a good choice as it stands.

[JDS]

I'd like to see more of Gaeta no matter what. He's a good character played by a good actor and his screen time is always interesting.

I'd say that, even at the time of the Season 3 finale, when she'd been around for some reasonable amount of time, Tory definitely slotted in well below Gaeta in terms of significance...admittedly, being one of the Watchtower Four is less important than being the final Cylon, but still...

[buerger23]

I have to agree with you. I like the scenes with him in them. He's a great actor.

I could see them making Cottle the FFifth. It would fit. Except they would have to explain a lot more of his backstory.

[Leoben]

Yeah, Tory was pretty minor sans her election fixing. They've done a good job making her substantially more interesting though.

Gaeta's an interesting enough guy, I'd just rather someone bigger took up the final Cylon spot.

[Mishakal]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, the Final Cylon will most likely be Dr. Cottle.

Of course they could do something twisted like bring back Kendra Shaw or Helena Cain and make one of them the Final Cylon (and have at least another female cylon who isn't a blond!!!)

[ShadowEnigma]

If it's Helo, that would make the whole hybrid baby plot moot! They keep saying Cylons can't reproduce.

I think it's either Cottle or Felix.

Not necessarily true. SS were having problems. FF are different.

[Ertai]

If it's Helo, that would make the whole hybrid baby plot moot! They keep saying Cylons can't reproduce.
In S01 Six sugested, that the love is needed for cylons to reproduce =] Mayby they never loved before? =]

Seriously - Seven doesn't know neither FF neither they abilltes/physiology etc.

[5th Cylon]

I am guessing Baltar = Jesus/God figure and Starbuck the 12th Cylon

I know that sounds bland and predictible to some point, but those 2 scream the most that they cylons so i figure one will end up "god" and the other is the 12th cylon

[aubsgfan]

http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=4&pictureid=11

[ShadowEnigma]

Beautiful, probably true too :lol:

[redwards95]

I take anything RDM has said about the last cylon with a grain of salt. He is trying to keep us guessing until the episode where the final cylon is revealed, so I don't accept statements about the final cylon not being in the last supper photo or having been a character since season one at face value. Maybe those are true, maybe not.

Here are some factors I think are important:

1) It should be a character that can play an active role the rest of the season. IOW, it's not Billy, Ellen Tigh, Kat, Admiral Cain, or anybody else who died.
2) It should be a character that has significant connection(s) to the central characters of the series (Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Laura Roslin, Starbuck, Baltar). To me that disqualifies Cottle, Gaeta, Racetrack, Seelix, Hot Dog, etc.
3) The final cylon's identity should not violate what we have already learned in the show about cylons. That rules out Cally and Helo because they have had kids with known cylons and we've been told that cylons can't procreate with each other. Yes, I can think of explanations that would work for either of them, but it just seems to complicated.
4) The final cylon shouldn't have parents that are known to other characters. That excludes Bill,Lee, and Zack Adama. (I reject the swapped at birth scenario as being too silly.)
5) The final cylon shouldn't be a minor character that appeared in only handful of episodes. IOW, it's not Romo Lampkin or Bulldog or the doctor that was killing the Sagitarians.
6) The final cylon has to fit the prophecies from the hybrid in Razor.

That leaves the following as most likely candidates:

- Baltar. He is by far the most obvious choice. The only thing arguing against him is that we already had a series of episodes where he thought he was a cylon. Ultimately he did not see the final 5 in the temple of five (except for Tyrol). However I won't be at all surprised if it does turn out to be him.
- Zarek. As vice president, he would presumably take over the government when Roslin dies. He has been helping Lee Adama combat Roslin's authoritarian acts. I'm not clear on what he needs redemption for in keeping with the hybrid's prophecy (just for having been a terrorist in the distant past doesn't seem like enough), but he could work as the 5th cylon. He also fits the "t" theory if you believe in that.
- Starbuck. Now we have seen flashbacks or hallucinations of her mother. You could argue that disqualifies her on the basis of point 4. However, those visions could be as false as Tyrol's memories of his father the priest. She fits all the other criteria. The main argument against her is that the show has been too obviously pointing in her direction since she seemed to die. But sometimes what seems too obvious is obvious because it is in fact true.
- Dee. My personal feeling is that she is/has become such a minor character that she violates point 2 especially since she is now separated from Lee. But if she and Lee get back together, then that could strengthen the possibility she is the final cylon. I don't know what she would need redemption for though. I would find it disappointing if it is her barring some new plot developments.
- Carolanne Adama. Well Leoben did say "Adama is a cylon." Lee, Bill, and Zack don't really work, but she could. If she suddenly turns up having been on a ship in the fleet (or on a base star?) all this time, that's a sure sign she's the final cylon.

I won't be too surprised though if it turns out to be somebody that violates my rules. I can even see a case for it being Boomer, Caprica, or Kendra Shaw.

[Hofner1962]

I thought Kendra Shaw's mother is known. Cain makes some crack about her mother pulling strings. Not that Shaw couldn't be the final cylon, it just violates your rule about parents being known

[timbo]

Redwards long post gave me an idea. What if the final cylon IS someone who died, and realy is dead. Maybe we should be talking about who the final cylon WAS.

[stavrosg]

It will be a disappointment if the final Cylon turns up to be long dead IMHO.

On the other hand, out of 20 frakking BILLION people, the 50k saved is a mere 0.00025% of the population, and all 5 just HAPPENED to be among them at the right place at the right time? Major WTF if you ask me :P

[Starstruck]

It will be a disappointment if the final Cylon turns up to be long dead IMHO.

On the other hand, out of 20 frakking BILLION people, the 50k saved is a mere 0.00025% of the population, and all 5 just HAPPENED to be among them at the right place at the right time? Major WTF if you ask me :P


Agreed.

They _might_ come up with an explanation for this somehow, but more than likely this is one of those things about which we have to suspend disbelief. Why are they all in the fleet? So we, the audience, can see them of course!

[ShadowEnigma]

Well, it's all apart of fate. All of this has happened, and all of this will happen again. That's why they are surivived.

My friends want it to be Billy. His actor even said he wouldn't mind coming back as a Cylon :lol:

[redwards95]

I thought Kendra Shaw's mother is known. Cain makes some crack about her mother pulling strings. Not that Shaw couldn't be the final cylon, it just violates your rule about parents being known

Ah I hadn't remembered that. She also violates my rules about having the final cylon being a minor one episode character and being a dead character (unless we discover that she isn't dead after all).

[ShadowEnigma]

I really don't think it's going to be anyone that minor. It's going to be someone we've seen already in season 4 I'm betting. They aren't going to pull a random character from out of no where, it just wouldn't have the same effect.

[Dzonatas]

Now Luara Lane Welch Roslin... has to fix the cylon teamed tribunals of terrorists. They are still working out the methods of torture, in space. Without oceans and to avoid watching people go out the airlock and being spotted through the windows flying by, they invented waterboarding. It scared humans but only caused cylons to rust.

Admiral McCain... was shot by Gina too far away from the dragonscale resurrection ships. Even though the ships were the best in class for defensive measures, the cylons god felt they weren't worth the extra protection... or lives. Gina says she did it for the admiral's voting against MLK day almost 20 years ago... (that's Morning the Lords of Kobol day). She really wanted another day off!

Clinton-Six was too busy with revenge over the cigar trick that scandalously led Gaius Cheney to destroy the world as we know it, with scientific mind and his great weapon inventions. Clinton-Six now keeps hidden the one true premium cigar, being truly the last one in the entire fleet.

Leoban has it right before he went out the air-lock... said to Roslin... Bill Obama is the last Cylon! They plan for a major party. It will surely bring music to the ears of all cylons and make them join together and unite!

Si se puede!

(That's capricanlish for "we will rock you!")

[The Dirt]

So, we all keep referring to the statement that the missing 5th Cylon is someone that's not in the Last Supper picture, but has anyone thought that this was an intentional play on words, because Tori isn't in the picture... I mean, she is on of the 5 and she's missing from the picture. So... this would mean that the one of the 5 that we have not yet learned about is in the picture.

[Dzonatas]

Or, the missing one is actually a S7 (being #7) and we already see the F5 now (#s 8-12).

[Osprey]

"because Tori isn't in the picture"

yeah, but all rdm said was the 12th isn't in the pic; the pic was "created" after s3, at the end of s3 the f4 were already revealed ...

[Starstruck]

I doubt he flat out lied about this or planted disinformation. I do think, however, that he might have played fast and loose with the facts. Maybe Baltar is the final Cylon, but that Baltar we see in the photo isn't Baltar, it's one of the Head Baltars. Clearly, that's Head Six in the middle, not Caprica.

Also, he didn't ever really say they weren't in it, did he? He just said oh yes, you're very clever, I hoped you wouldn't notice that...or something to that effect in answer to someone asking if the spot was for the final Cylon.

I'll be pretty disappointed if he did just lie.


So, we all keep referring to the statement that the missing 5th Cylon is someone that's not in the Last Supper picture, but has anyone thought that this was an intentional play on words, because Tori isn't in the picture... I mean, she is on of the 5 and she's missing from the picture. So... this would mean that the one of the 5 that we have not yet learned about is in the picture.

[Dzonatas]

Maybe Baltar is the final Cylon, but that Baltar we see in the photo isn't Baltar, it's one of the Head Baltars. Clearly, that's Head Six in the middle, not Caprica.

After I saw "Faith"... I think you are right. Frak! It appears the theme is not going to follow TOS at all from here on -- except the path to Earth.

I highly doubt RDM and writers will do a Locutus on us.

[Crashdown]

I think I'll put my money on Lee being the last Cylon. It's a certainty that he will become President, so how could you pass over that opportunity that the leader of the Human survivors will be a cylon.



I doubt it will be Baltar as he is just to obvious a character.

[ShadowEnigma]

I don't think Lee will be the final Cylon. I have trouble seeing Lee as the next president in some ways too. But to be both? Eh.

[jerrywickey]

redward and dzon have it

Adama fits all of redward's rules and dzon said it.

Laoben already told us the he is a cylon. Laoben hasn't lied yet, and Adama instinctively knew who he was the first he laid eyes on him.

Adama doesn't know it yet, but he has a very big role to play in the cylon human aliance. It is likely neither side will know he is everyone's leader until they find Earth and it gets "ugly... very ugly"

Jerry

[Dzonatas]

Adama fits all of redward's rules and dzon said it.

?

[jerrywickey]

dzon pointed out that Leoben already told us that Adama is a cylon

Adama fits all of redward's rules for the last cylon.

Laoben already told us that Adama is a cylon. Laoben hasn't lied yet, and Adama instinctively knew that Leoben was a cylone the first he laid eyes on him.

Adama doesn't know it yet, but he has a very big role to play in the new cylon human aliance. It is likely neither side will know Adama is the cylon's leader as well until they find Earth and it gets "ugly... very ugly"

Jerry

[Dzonatas]

Locutus, I'm your father..... Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo...

[Leroy Morte]

Dzonatas,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, LMAO.

[ShadowEnigma]

I just can't see the Admiral as the final Cylon.

[jerrywickey]

Adama is my favorite character also. It would make the ugliest of ends and the most interesting. and the most messy. And perhaps the most satisfying and unifying.

It was Adama who said something like "we can't just run away from the problems we make. Someday our children will home..." I don't remember the words.

Maybe someone can help.

Jerry

[The Dirt]

I think that the Opera House visions may point to Roslin and Baltar not being cylons, as the final five Cylons are standing next to them in the visions. William Adama makes sense in some way, and Lee makes sense as a hybrid because he seems to be taking on a civilian leadership role of the Colonials who will undoubtedly (in my mind) have to integrate with Cylons to create a new generation of hybrids.

[raginggaijin]

Add this in to the mix on Adama being the Final.

Season One: A piece of paper stating 'Adama is a Cylon'.
Season Four: He turns to Galen and states that Callie couldn't handle being the mother of a half-breed freak. Galen is like "wtf did I imagine it?"
The Final Five came from Earth, right?

Who started Humanity on the road to Earth?

[Dzonatas]

Season Four: He turns to Galen and states that Callie couldn't handle being the mother of a half-breed freak. Galen is like "wtf did I imagine it?"

That scene there was the subtle hint from the Adama's drink that revealed to the audience that Galen hallucinated. Adama took a drink when he said it, then Galen turned his head to Adama and saw him get his drink from the Bartender, so Adama couldn't have had the drink the first time.

[raginggaijin]

That scene there was the subtle hint from the Adama's drink that revealed to the audience that Galen hallucinated. Adama took a drink when he said it, then Galen turned his head to Adama and saw him get his drink from the Bartender, so Adama couldn't have had the drink the first time.

Memory, even Cylon, is fallible.

Besides, Adama can Project. (His ex-wife, once a year.)

[ranvir]

Hmm, reading this has been enlightening. I originally thought Kendra Shaw was the most likely candidate for being the final cylon, but I didn't realize it's been confirmed that the person who is has to have been around since the first season. I don't think it's Cottle, but Dualla and Gaeta both seem promising. After all, they never did explain how she survived that cylon attack, huh? Although, I wonder what she would be seeking redemption for?... Her quasi-betrayal of Billy seems to be a stretch, especially since she doesn't seem at all preoccupied with it. As for Gaeta, there is that secret that Baltar whispered in his ear that drove him into a frenzy. Did we ever find out what the hell that was about? As far as I know, it seems like it could fulfill the whole redemption requirement.

[stavrosg]

The thingy Baltar whispered in Gaeta's ear is part of an abadoned story arc. Nothing significant here.
On the other hand, the writer may have chosen to give it another meaning in the mean time, so it might mean something. Confused? Me, too. :P