Centurions

[buerger23]

I was wondering how are centurions made? Do they have production facilities aboard Basestars or Is there just an unending stream of them? How do basestars keep popping up is there a huge fleet always following Galactica or is there a faster than FTL way of communicating?

[JDS]

I was wondering how are centurions made?Either they're "grown" and then the metal is built around them, or the metal part is built first and they are grown within it.

Do they have production facilities aboard BasestarsEither that or they have dedicated factory ships.

or Is there just an unending stream of them?Well when a mommy Cylon and a daddy Cylon love each other very much...

Wait, nevermind.

How do basestars keep popping up is there a huge fleet always following Galactica or is there a faster than FTL way of communicating?Once they know where Galactica is, they can probably guess where they might be jumping to, and send scouts there, when one finds them...bam, jump the basestars in.

[buerger23]

Either that or they have dedicated factory ships.


These we haven't seen yet of course. And why don't they have ressurection capabilities aboard basestars?

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

The Centurions appear to be robotic, much like their predecessors.

[ShadowEnigma]

Yeah, I think they are completely machine. And they probably have a way of producing them on board.

[JDS]

And why don't they have ressurection capabilities aboard basestars?That's a good question...maybe it's not worth it unless you dedicate a huge area to storing hundreds of spare bodies? Maybe it's because they don't want to risk losing Cylons who are resurrecting when a basestar is destroyed in combat? Maybe it's because they want to keep all their resurrection facilities well out of harms way? Maybe it's because it requires some enormous high-gain antenna to pick up the weak signals from the tiny little heads of dying Cylons, or some other equally large device to make the resurrection process work?

The Centurions appear to be robotic, much like their predecessors.We've never seen a Centurion dissected, but they do superficially resemble the Raiders, which we know are deliciously warm and gooey on the inside...I wouldn't at all be surprised to see that there is a small organic component to the Centurions.

[Leoben]

I'm with JDS here, it seems that the head is fairly devoid of organic tissue (seen when Helo is blowing chunks of ones head off on Caprica). However, the Basestars, Raiders and Hybrids all have organic components. I think assuming the Centurions have at least something organic is a safe bet.

On the flip side of that however, the original Centurions were fully mechanical and sentient. The Humanoid models may have felt that it wasn't necessary to improve upon the internal workings.

So I suppose I can see it go either way. I imagine the plants to create the Centurions could be located right on the Basestar, or perhaps the Resurrection ship itself. If raiders download, whose to say Centurions don't either?

[JDS]

I'm with JDS here, it seems that the head is fairly devoid of organic tissue (seen when Helo is blowing chunks of ones head off on Caprica). However, the Basestars, Raiders and Hybrids all have organic components. I think assuming the Centurions have at least something organic is a safe bet.

On the flip side of that however, the original Centurions were fully mechanical and sentient. The Humanoid models may have felt that it wasn't necessary to improve upon the internal workings.

So I suppose I can see it go either way. I imagine the plants to create the Centurions could be located right on the Basestar, or perhaps the Resurrection ship itself. If raiders download, whose to say Centurions don't either?I agree with all of this...I was even thinking of that scene with Helo on Caprica while I was writing :lol:

[Beatlesfan]

Guys, I'm almost positive that Centurions are all CGI. :lol::lol:

[1Nivek1]

Guys, I'm almost positive that Centurions are all CGI.

:D

[JDS]

Guys, I'm almost positive that Centurions are all CGI. :lol::lol:Shut up you! :lol:

[Beatlesfan]

Shut up you! :lol:


Yes Sir!

[Sparrow]

If raiders download, whose to say Centurions don't either?

I think RDM stated that Centurions dont download..
maybe thats attached to them being "downgraded".. now that they are unrestrained maybe they can download (if not they will make it so... they can think now and they would probably not be happy of all humanoid and Raider models being able to have extra lives and they not)

[buerger23]

Centurions must have something organic but with them becoming self aware and all they're going to be angry that they can't resurrects and there will be some shit kicking happening. I am totally with you on this Sparrow.

[ShadowEnigma]

They don't have to have something organic. You could technically be sentient and not be organic. I dunno if they would be angry that they can't resurrect, but there might be a way to download their memory banks to a computer to have put in a new body.

[JDS]

Yeah I don't think we can say they DEFINITELY have an organic component, I just think it's likely given what we know about the raiders and basestars.

[Beatlesfan]

Yeah I don't think we can say they DEFINITELY have an organic component, I just think it's likely given what we know about the raiders and basestars.

Yeah, there's no way for us to know for sure, but it is likely.

[ShadowEnigma]

Well, we've seen their heads blown open, and nothing interesting in there. We've also seen the bodies torn apart pretty well, and I don't remember seeing blood or anything there either.

I'm betting there isn't anything organic about them. They seem to follow their predecessors as being pure machine.

[Beatlesfan]

Well, we've seen their heads blown open, and nothing interesting in there. We've also seen the bodies torn apart pretty well, and I don't remember seeing blood or anything there either.

I'm betting there isn't anything organic about them. They seem to follow their predecessors as being pure machine.

You make a good point there. I didn't think about that. Maybe the organics are in the foot? :lol::lol:

[ShadowEnigma]

Haha I could think of someplace else where it would be.... :lol::lol:

[Beatlesfan]

Haha I could think of someplace else where it would be.... :lol::lol:

:shocked::shocked:

[buerger23]

"They don't have to have something organic. You could technically be sentient and not be organic. I dunno if they would be angry that they can't resurrect, but there might be a way to download their memory banks to a computer to have put in a new body." ShadowEnigma

I see what you mean but it's just easier for me to see a biological creature being sentient than a full-fledged chrome dome. There might be away for centurions to transfer their consciousness but up until this point they haven't been sentient so there would have been no point but know that they are sentient it would make all the difference to them if they could resurrect or not. Do you catch my drift now?

[ShadowEnigma]

why wouldn't there be a point? Just because you're not sentient doesn't mean you can't learn from previous mistakes. The raiders weren't sentient up until recently and we know they transferred after death. Though i do understand your point in that the centurions would want the ability once they gained sentience.

[JDS]

I'm pretty sure the original Model 005 Centurions were entirely hardware, so I don't see sentience as implying organic construction.

[JDS]

why wouldn't there be a point? Just because you're not sentient doesn't mean you can't learn from previous mistakes. The raiders weren't sentient up until recently and we know they transferred after death. Though i do understand your point in that the centurions would want the ability once they gained sentience.This all depends on your definition of sentience, which is notoriously difficult to pin down...

[Leoben]

Agreed, the first models were entirely mechanical, so sentience life doesn't have to be organic. If they had been partially organic, it seems that the Hybrid program would have been a little redundant.

[JDS]

Well...the Hybrid program, I think, was more than just combining organic and hardware components...I mean we have humans operating with artificial hardware components...limbs, ears, etc...the hybrid program was on entirely a different level, creating something that is both an entirely new organism and a starship at the same time...quite an ambitious project!

[buerger23]

Were'nt they originally designed to be w/ a basestar or where they a failed project and was it decided that they be used for the basestars. This is the impression that I got from Razor?

[JDS]

I find that aspect of Razor to be marvelously inconclusive.

[buerger23]

Well you got to think they said that and Razor was Canon so that means the hybrids were what Razor says they are. I re-watched (albeit not in the timespan of our conversation) and I drew my conclusion from Razor clearly.

[JDS]

I'm not discrediting Razor, I'm just saying that it raised more questions than it answered...

[buerger23]

Oh okay but still It did say that the hybrids were a failed experiment did it not?

[Leoben]

It said they were an evolutionary dead end and were eventually used to control the Base ships. It's incredibly vague about what the hybrid program was actually. I'm of the opinion it was originally set up to bring the Centurions out of a purely mechanical state. The results just weren't what they wanted.

[buerger23]

Oh, my thought on this though is that they were created after the first "beta" versions of skin jobs but were found to inadequate. I guess it sort of the same point of view depending on how you look at it?

[UnRep]

Those centurions sure do look nice and polished lately. Maybe since they got their flux capasitors switched on they've been having a bit of a vanity attack.

[Beatlesfan]

Those centurions sure do look nice and polished lately. Maybe since they got their flux capasitors switched on they've been having a bit of a vanity attack.

Ive noticed that to! :lol::lol: But really, being shiny isn't a good idea for a soldier.

[james968]

The encephalitis some how affected the Centurions as well. I can think of 2 possibilities:

* With the Bluetooth module installed, they are incapable of initiating actions to investigate why the basestar isn't working. (Maybe they are kept in cold storage unless they are needed for security, for heavy lifting, direct 'hand-to-hand' comabt, or Deanna needs one of them to kill her).
* Maybe their is a 'single point of failure' organic component

(I don't think their brains are organic).
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Though the Cold Storage idea:
We previously didn't see Centurions wandering around the base stars. They had a few to guard Baltar, but during his wandering (after they trusted him) they were pretty scarce.

Anyone notice in the MiniSeries, one of the reporters is holding a Cylon Bluetooth adapater and pointing it at Laura Roslyn during her 'inauguration' (Maybe they didn't want the politicians to have independent thought :) )

Yeah, I know they probably just ran out of props, but.....

[james968]

Ive noticed that to! :lol::lol: But really, being shiny isn't a good idea for a soldier.

Maybe they realized the Bluetooth flux capacitor limits Centurion Shininess and they got the Centurions to install them using that excuse. ('You're too shiny for combat, you need this module")

[ShadowEnigma]

We previously didn't see Centurions wandering around the base stars. They had a few to guard Baltar, but during his wandering (after they trusted him) they were pretty scarce.

Anyone notice in the MiniSeries, one of the reporters is holding a Cylon Bluetooth adapater and pointing it at Laura Roslyn during her 'inauguration' (Maybe they didn't want the politicians to have independent thought :) )

Yeah, I know they probably just ran out of props, but.....

Well, it would make sense. There is no reason for them to be walking around the Basestar, they don't need internal security like that. They have yet to be boarded (minus Boomer and the Raptor), and if they were I'm sure they could activate and get to the spot pretty quickly.


Are you sure it was the same prop or did they just look the same? That's pretty funny if they are :lol: Means Centurions can be reporters if need be.