Yet Another Frakking Theory!

[Zar]

First I have to say that this is my first post and the first time a talk about a TV series on a forum. I like Sci-Fi, but BSG made me addicted to this new concept of Sci-Fi genre and the entire plot is so interesting that I can't stop thinking about it.

I was heavily influenced by the first Kara's mother theory (http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=805), but since I'm going a little bit deeper in my speculation I decided to create a new thread, giving the proper credit to cdccarter (http://www.battlestarforum.com/member.php?u=530), who opened my eyes to this character.

The Theory

The last cylon is Kara's mother (Hera), which is the cylon version of Bill Adama's (Zeus) sister. Joseph Adama is the cylon God.

The Clues

1) "...the fruit born of two peoples is alive. A child named after the wife and sister of the all-knowing Zeus." - from Exodus Part I.

2) "Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening. Struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity. And in the midst of confusion, he will find her, enemies brought together by impossible longing, enemies now joined as one." - from "Razor".

3) "And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering." - from "Razor".

4) "The seven, now six, self-described machines, who believe themselves
without sin. But in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into the many." - from "Razor".

5) "And then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings
of an angel." - from "Razor"

6)"Five final Cylon models. Five healers of the temple. For the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken." - from "Taking A Break From All Your Worries"

7)"You are the guardian and protector of the new generation of God's children." - from Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2

The Hipothesis

As we know, in Caprica spin-off, Joseph Adama will team up with a computer engineer to create robots with the memory of their daughters, killed by a terrorist bombing. I think Joseph Adama has gone a little bit further than his partner, creating a cylon version of his daughter using her DNA. So his is considered as God by her, since he is her creator and biological father. This could be the origin of cylon's monotheistic religion.

While the first quote refers to Athena/Agathon baby, it is actually a clue about the incestuous relationship between Hera and Zeus - Kara's mother and Bill Adama. Kara's mother was on military duty at the same time as Adama and they are from the same generation.

So I think they had an affair and Kara was the result of their forbidden love. Self-aware of her cylon nature and origin, she kept this secret to herself, until she "claw toward the light, hungering for redemption" with the revelation of the entire plot.

She also knew her daughter Kara have a prophecy role to fulfill as the first one of the "new generation of God's children" and tried to prepare her to this moment.

So Kara will unite cylons and humans and "they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel". Obviously that the "the wings" refer to her viper, but her true nature after dying and reappearing could be also explained by her origin and the role of "Gaius counterpart" of her generation as "the guardian and protector of the new generation of God's children".

Kara's mother never told Bill Adama she was his sister, because of their forbidden love, which will result in a "howl of terrible suffering" due to the recurring incestuous relationships in the family.

The redemption is family forgiveness, specially from Kara and Lee, since the affair caused a lot of pain on both families. This is supported by behavior of Kara's and Lee's mothers, who discharged a lot of anger over them.

This could also explain the odd relationship between Kara and Lee. They love each other, but they struggle not to be with each other because deep inside they know is not right. So Kara marriage Anders just after her brief relationship with Lee.

The "Final Five" are not only cylons, they are different. They are descendants of the five priests that worshiped the "the one whose name cannot be spoken". We already know that in the Caprica series, Adama's father uses "Adams" as alias because of a unknown reason. So the name Adama "cannot be spoken". The "Final Five" is a lineage of descendants of the first cylon of Kobol's 13th Tribe, which is from the same genetic pool of Adama's family.

So "the one splintering into the many" could be the first cylon DNA from Kobol 13th Tribe, which is the origin of all others, including the "Final Five". Since this DNA is originally from a human, as the new cylons are, humans and cylons realize they came from the same genetic pool and are actually just different reproduction stages of the same species. As defined in biology, a species can only be distinguished from another when the offspring between them are not fertile. The cylons creation is the asexual part of the sexual/asexual life cycle of humans, which may or may not involve a hybrid stage.

"The pain of revelation bringing new clarity...enemies brought together by impossible longing, enemies now joined as one."

I did not formulated a theory about the Earth colonization and the Exodus of Kobol, but due to the recurring nature of the prophecy I believe colonization/exodus and war/peace are in constant loop, with "The pain of revelation" being the turning point of each cycle.

What do you think about this?

[Starstruck]

This is very intriguing. I'm not sure I buy it, but very intriguing. I wonder if Joseph Adama will start showing up in flashbacks this season...

[1Nivek1]

Oy vey!

This is probably the whackiest theory I've ever read....I'll give you that.:thumbsup:

This is a problem with the Roman god references. There are simply not enough characters, incestuous and otherwise, to get that nice bathhouse feel that polytheism has.

I think, fundamentally, the critique lies in the logistics of the theory. How will they play that out? Kara's mother?! Joseph Adama?! Both non-exiting characters. This would have Dues Ex Machina written all over it plotwise.

Like I said before, "it's never the bloody butler!"

[ThPrime]

Hi Zar, welcome to the forum.

I agree the dialog of the oracles, hybrids and head characters can't be scrutinized too carefully. The extended hybrid prophecy exclusive to the Razor DVD, Ron Moore admits, was requested as a Christmas present to BSG fans by Universal.

I suspect Grandpa Goo's clues, corresponding to your 2) through 5), were given in chronological order and span the first half of season four. The proto-hybrid's prophecies look to be, believe or not, a sort of episode synopsis.

Evidently "He That Believeth In Me" reveals the first part of clue 2)

"Six of One" should reveal the last part of clue 2) ..."And in the midst of confusion, he will find her, enemies brought together by impossible longing, enemies now joined as one."

Fortunately the hiatus is over, and this will be put to the test tomorrow. Whether or not this holds true in the coming weeks, I hope this will be helpful.

[iheartthesystem]

How is Kara's mother non-existing as a character? We saw her at least briefly in Maelstrom.
That said, I think Kara's mother is just a character big enough to be a cylon. This may be a bit premature but I rule her and other people with relatively little screentime (like Romo Lampkin or one of the ladies of Baltar's cult or that sick child Derrick (sp?)) out.
My main problem though is the assumption of Bill Adama secretly being Kara's father. Please don't ask me why but I have a really hard time with this. I also don't really see the clues in the hybrid's speech for this. Like
1) does point entirely towards Hera for me and I can't see it alluding in any way to Kara, Socrata Thrace or Bill Adama.
2) clearly refers to a couple but I don't think that it's Bill and Socrata. I'd rather go for something like Kara/Leoben (though that relationship is somewhat icky to me) or Kara/Sam or Kara/Lee or based on spoilers, Tigh/Six or the now almost ruled-out Sam/Six pairing
3) seems to point to Baltar to me. Now I don't really think he's the fifth but he definitely needs some redemption.
4) very much hints at the cylon war that will happen in this season according to many spoiler sources
5) definitely Kara
6) Was this stated as fact? Because I think it is just an assumption made either by Laura Roslin (or Baltar under torture, I'm not really sure at the moment). While it could too much too be just a coincidence that there are five final cylons and five priests to one whose name can't be spoken, I don't really think that the Final Five are descendants of those priests.
7) refers too much to only Baltar by context

However, while it seems very very unlikely that Kara is a hybrid IMO, I don't rule it out completely because there's still that mysterious pianist father of hers. And if one of her parents is a cylon, I think it would rather be him.
Still, I think Kara already has her special destiny and in my opinion it would be too much if she's also the first hybrid. She already has enough in her destiny to make her unique and special.

BTW hi Zar and thanks for posting your theory. While I may not agree with it, I always find it interesting to read other BSG watcher's theories.

[Zar]

This is probably the whackiest theory I've ever read....I'll give you that.:thumbsup:

Sorry, but weak is your response.

Hi Zar, welcome to the forum.

I agree the dialog of the oracles...
...I hope this will be helpful.

Thanks, for the welcome and the additional info. It was helpful indeed.

This is very intriguing. I'm not sure I buy it, but very intriguing. I wonder if Joseph Adama will start showing up in flashbacks this season...

Yep, I'm not sure if I would buy it myself :), I probably missed a lot of stuff already discussed, but there are some things in the air to think about.

How is Kara's mother non-existing as a character? We saw her at least briefly in Maelstrom.

Yeah, that is totally absurd.

My main problem though is the assumption of Bill Adama secretly being Kara's father. Please don't ask me why but I have a really hard time with this. I also don't really see the clues in the hybrid's speech for this.

1) does point entirely towards Hera for me and I can't see it alluding in any way to Kara, Socrata Thrace or Bill Adama.

The clue that makes me think about this is not in the hybrid speech, but in the conversation of the dying priest and Number 3 just prior to the Exodus from New Caprica: "A child named after the wife and sister of the all-knowing Zeus". It is hard to buy, but it has "incest" all over it. Why they would talk about this characteristic of Hera if it doesn't mean something? I doubt that the incest is referring to "Boomer" and "Helo".

To support this theory the hybrid says "that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering". Is not a "great deal of pain" or something else, is "terrible suffering". I think that a taboo like cannibalism or incest fits pretty much in this category, because we had enough samples of several disturbing acts that caused terrible suffering, including Holocaust, rape and forced abortion. It is not a hard coded clue, but something I feel could be shocking and would create a surprisingly twist in the plot.

Some people will argue that baby Hera should be a major player in the religious plot as "the new generation of God's children". But Kara being half cylon/human does not exclude the baby Hera from the scene. To create the "the face of the shape of things to come", which I believe is referring to a new population formed by children of cylons with humans would require much more than a single child or even a generation. Just for comparison, there was ~49.000 humans when Gaius calculated that at the current rate of births and deaths, the human species would be extinct in 18 years (not counting big natural calamities or any kind of epidemic disease I guess). That estimative could be very realistic.

So I guess there could be several generations of hybrid childs that overlap each other during a cycle of the proposed cylon/human recurring history, each one being important. Kara could have, as hybrid, a totally different role in the prophecy than baby Hera and could explain her "Phoenix" nature.

Other passages points to Adama as Zeus, which is considered by Mythology to be husband and brother of Hera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hera) (please don't criticize the Wikipedia reference. I'm not a historian :)). Zarek makes references to Adama being to Zeus twice in the first season and would the writers choose "Apollo" as the call sign of Lee just to fool us? Too much coincidence in my opinion.

2) clearly refers to a couple but I don't think that it's Bill and Socrata. I'd rather go for something like Kara/Leoben (though that relationship is somewhat icky to me) or Kara/Sam or Kara/Lee or based on spoilers, Tigh/Six or the now almost ruled-out Sam/Six pairing

As I said, I think one hybrid child do not exclude the other in the prophecy. We could have a first hybrid of each "Final Five", generating five lineages of hybrids that would eventually become a new group of "Final Five" in the next Exodus. We can assume that each "Final 4" would not think about making new babies until they discover they real nature and their role in the prophecy. That will only happen when the final cylon is revealed together with most of the plot, when then they realize being one of the "Final Five" is not a bad thing and they are not sleeper agents.

3) seems to point to Baltar to me. Now I don't really think he's the fifth but he definitely needs some redemption.

I have to agree that several characters also need redemption and Baltar is a very strong candidate. But his role as "the guardian and protector of the new generation of God's children" is also very strong.

6) Was this stated as fact? Because I think it is just an assumption made either by Laura Roslin (or Baltar under torture, I'm not really sure at the moment). While it could too much too be just a coincidence that there are five final cylons and five priests to one whose name can't be spoken, I don't really think that the Final Five are descendants of those priests.

It is indeed an assumption made either Laura Roslin, but Tigh comment with "Come on! It's all just mumbo jumbo" which makes me believe it could be true, like all other things she predicted or believed and Tigh said was BS. Too many fives to be discarded in my opinion.

7) refers too much to only Baltar by context

Yes. This is why I included this passage. Refers to the role of Gaius and possible another character protecting the "new generation of God's children". This is the weakest part of my theory, but it just try to explain Kara's "Phoenix" nature and do not exclude the Adama/Socrata theory.

However, while it seems very very unlikely that Kara is a hybrid IMO, I don't rule it out completely because there's still that mysterious pianist father of hers. And if one of her parents is a cylon, I think it would rather be him.

I don't remember him. Is it possible that Adama is the pianist or can we see his face? I probably missed that scene entirely or just focused on Kara and Socrata.

Still, I think Kara already has her special destiny and in my opinion it would be too much if she's also the first hybrid. She already has enough in her destiny to make her unique and special.

I think would be easier as simpler to explain her "Phoenix" nature with a hybrid origin than creating a completely new role in the plot that would justify being raised from the ashes. The role of "the guardian and protector of the new generation of God's children" could better explain her appearance in Crossroads Part 2, IMO.

BTW hi Zar and thanks for posting your theory. While I may not agree with it, I always find it interesting to read other BSG watcher's theories.

Thanks a lot. That is the objective, to stimulate other brains with new ideas, even if they are not 100% bullet-proof. As I said, in the first post I was heavily influenced by another thread. So,maybe someone pick-up some elements of this theory and formulate a new one.

It is very nice to discuss this. My brain is working a lot lately :)

[Zar]

She's dead. She "existed" as a flashback sequence to give depth/defense to Kara's self-destructiveness. She's a method, not a character.

I totally disagree. I think she is an important character and "the fifth, still in shadow" could perfectly means she is dead instead of hiding or not self-aware of her nature as a cylon, like the other "Final Four".

[Zar]

It says "named after", not "born of".

Exactly! The text do not mention "born of" and I don't believe baby Hera is actually "born of" an incestuous relationship between "Boomer" and "Helo", she is "named after" the real Hera, which is actually "wife and sister of the all-knowing Zeus". This also support my theory that baby Hera has a secondary role in the prophecy plot and that the real Hera is another character. Since Adama is the strongest candidate for the Zeus role, Hera should be at least from the same generation and close to him some way, which perfectly fits Kara's mother character.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

There's a lot of over-thinking here, I think.

The oracle was clearly saying that Hera was alive to Number Three / D'Anna, who assumed she'd died on Galactica.

RDM already made the point of saying that the character who'll be the Final Cylon has been around since Season 1, in that we've seen them. So that rules out Socrata, who is, at best, a throwaway character.

[1Nivek1]

Sorry Zar, by "whacky", I was just being light-hearted.

Perhaps, a better choice of word would have been "complicated".

Either way, I've thrown myself out of this thread for bad behavior.

[Zar]

I guess I don't follow how there is a "real" Hera, outside of the godess/mythology. The godess was the wife and sister of Zeus according to mythology.

Are you suggesting that all gods/godesses correspond to some character in the show. That Athena is really x, and Apollo really y. And that their bloodlines will match exactly with Greek mythology?

The "real" between quotes means they correspond to real characters in the show with similar roles, qualities and defects of the Greek Mythology gods/goddesses, but are not necessarily truly divine. The cylons says the humans worship false gods and and the role of Joseph Adama in the creation of Caprica cylons suggest that they could consider him the true God. In the show, Greek mythology could be the result of a distorted version of the current events or other previous cylon/human cycle.

I never thought about other characters and corresponding Gods but what do you feel about Sharon "Athena" Valerii being a exact copy of Sharon "Boomer" Valerii, who tried to commit suicide? The Significant 7 mention that Number 8 model is weak, so all copies are expected to share the same qualities and defects according to them.

In Home Part 2 Sharon "Athena" Valerii says:

"l'm putting together a lot of pieces from a lot of sources beyond your scriptures."

"lf l'm right, that's the spot where your God supposedly stood and watched Athena throw herself down onto the rocks below, out of despair over the exodus of the 13 tribes."

"And we don't worship false idols."

"We know more about your religion than you do. Athena's Tomb, whoever...whatever she really was, is probably up there."


She could be talking about her own ancestor when she mention Athena. Since the whole thing is a cycle, she could also be talking about her and her descendants at the same time.

Additionally, what sources beyond the colonial scriptures she is referring to? Does this question really means something?

Speculating a little bit more, Sharon "Athena" Valerii could eventually commit suicide like "Boomer" and she could be referred as Goddess in future scriptures because she had an important role in the colonial/cylon destiny. Her model is a key player on several major events, like finding water, preventing Adama from being killed by Zarek's buddy, recovering the ships launching keys in Exodus episode, finding the thumb of Athena, finding a way through the "Passage" and probably more that I can't recall now. The most important one would be her effort to bring peace between humans and cylons, even if it is a distorted version of peace like the one of New Caprica. If humans and cylons will really live together, Sharon will certainly have a major role. She loves a human and will have a child with him, that should count for a Goddess promotion :)

The Significant 7 and the "Final Five" are all key players, because their destiny are tied to their nature, their behavior and their role in the fulfillment of the prophecy. So we can expect being a key player in the prophecy is requirement for achieving the status of God/Goddess at any given time of the human/cylon cycle.

About the bloodline, I believe that the "Final Five" and the "Significant 7" are tied to the same bloodline each cycle, otherwise how would the Raider in the "He That Believeth In Me" recognize Anders as a cylon? The Raider clearly perform a biometric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometrics) scan of his retina to identify him, which shows they have some sort of genome database of the cylon lineage.

[Zar]

Sorry Zar, by "whacky", I was just being light-hearted.

Perhaps, a better choice of word would have been "complicated".

Either way, I've thrown myself out of this thread for bad behavior.

I should be the one the apologize for my bad English. I don't know why I read "weak" instead of "whacky". Maybe my brain was already overheated with my own theory :lol:

Anyway, I found the meaning of "whacky" in the dictionary and since you gave me a thumbs up after it I should have assumed you were meaning "appalling in nature, unconventional".

So please, come back. The discussion is going somewhere. You are making me think more about it (see the previous post).

[Leoben]

I think you are putting way to much into the whole wife and daughter of Zues. In the actual mythology, that's what Hera is. Also she specifically states that D'anna will hold this person in her arms and will know true love. This prophecy has been fulfilled, end of story as far as I'm concerned.

Socrata Thrace is a foot note. The whole point of the vision/flashback w/e you want to call it, seems to be to get Kara to stop fearing death, so she can realize her destiny. Joseph Adama is nothing but a few lines, and a name on a book.

I think the incestuous thing is way way to far out there, even for this show. Also, IF Kara was a hybrid, that completely invalidates the importance of Hera and potentially Nick Tyrol as well. As was mentioned, she has a destiny, good or bad, and on top of it is half Cylon?

I'm gonna agree with Joe here, interesting theory, but reading way too far in.

[timbo]

Sorry Zar, by "whacky", I was just being light-hearted.

Perhaps, a better choice of word would have been "complicated".

Either way, I've thrown myself out of this thread for bad behavior.


Easy on yourself Nivek. dont set a precedent, or I will have to throw myself out of every thread I have taken part in. I am stacking up the "warnings" in my notification folder. I think maybe I am becoming the Forum bad boy, Zar, so my support might do you more harm than good.
However, for what its worth, I loved your theory and although I dont agree with every detail, I really think the outcome will be something along those lines. I have Attention defic..........., . Sorry, got sidetracked. I have Attention Deficit Disorder so your first post was an ordeal for me, and I have to admit I was looking at my watch toward the end of reading it.

I have posted too that I think Adama´s father might be behind it all - even the cylon holocaust on the human colonies. I also think Kara´s mum might pop up somewhere, along with Zach. Unfortunately, you are probably going to disown me as an ally when I tell you that I am convinced that Tigh and the others are not cylons.

Pay no heed to Leoben, for he mixes truth with his lies. Visionaries such as you and I will always be targeted by lesser minds. The important thing is not whether your idea is right or wrong, but the conviction withwhich you defend it. Worry not over the doubters, maybe they too will claw their way to the light with a howl of terrible pain. You will see that soon there will be talk of Zar, the soothsaying newcomer and his mad disciple, Timbo. When the romans come for you, I will stand and shout "I am Zar", and our hoard of followers will follow suit. Soon cries of "I am Zar", "No, I am Zar"will echo around the forums.




P.S. My wife is sarting to get seriously mad at me for neglecting the family in favour of the forum. I think I have to lie low for a while. If anyone has any messages for me, leave them under the dog bowl - she´ll never look there.

[james968]

I've thought Socrata has been a Cylon ever since we first met her.

From what little we know about Caprica (the series, not the planet):

* there were 2 men responsible for the Embedded Cylons (Cylons with Human personalities, opposed to those simply manufactured). (Adama and Greystone)

* 3 of women close to them are killed (Zoe, Mrs Adama, Ms Adama Jr).

So could it be Greystone who is Kara's father and one of the Adama women is Socrata? (Its possible it could be Zoe, but I don't think the incest thread is really worth anything). Some computer genius also have a musical talent as well.

I've been wondering since way back when (Helo and Starbuck in her apartment), who is her father. At one point I though: Could it be Tigh?

[Zar]

I have posted too that I think Adama´s father might be behind it all - even the cylon holocaust on the human colonies. I also think Kara´s mum might pop up somewhere, along with Zach. Unfortunately, you are probably going to disown me as an ally when I tell you that I am convinced that Tigh and the others are not cylons.

I think one of most profound moments of the show was when Lee asked his father what if Zak was the one to jump out of Kara's Viper. This could really set the tone of the rest of the show, leading to Adama's family origin and role in the whole cylon/human prophecy.

I think Tigh will also reveal interesting parts of the plot and makes us think about a lot of suff.

Pay no heed to Leoben, for he mixes truth with his lies. Visionaries such as you and I will always be targeted by lesser minds. The important thing is not whether your idea is right or wrong, but the conviction withwhich you defend it. Worry not over the doubters, maybe they too will claw their way to the light with a howl of terrible pain. You will see that soon there will be talk of Zar, the soothsaying newcomer and his mad disciple, Timbo. When the romans come for you, I will stand and shout "I am Zar", and our hoard of followers will follow suit. Soon cries of "I am Zar", "No, I am Zar"will echo around the forums.

...maybe I will be called "the one whose name cannot be spoken" :lol:

BTW, what is Voldemort doing on this show?

[timbo]

How can you be "the one whose name cannot be mentioned", if we are all shouting "I am zar". And while we are on the subject, I have noticed that some of the spelling and punctuation leave a lot to be desired. Now I dont want to have to start issuing warnings.
As Mr Enigma would say "we make mistakes, people die". So c´mon, can we all think before we post please, people. Now that we are all on the same page,....

Yeah, I also thought that Lee´s question, "what if it had been Zach" was pretty portentious.

Who is Voldermort?

I am beginning to feel a lttle out of my depth. When I first entered the forum, I felt like I was one of the sharpest tools in the box, but this new generation of posters with their cutting edge, multi quote technology and bullet point post structure are in a different league.

Promotion?

[Zar]

How can you be "the one whose name cannot be mentioned", if we are all shouting "I am zar". And while we are on the subject, I have noticed that some of the spelling and punctuation leave a lot to be desired. Now I dont want to have to start issuing warnings.
As Mr Enigma would say "we make mistakes, people die". So c´mon, can we all think before we post please, people. Now that we are all on the same page,....

I was just joking. Please don't take it too seriously. You started with this line of comment and I just said something stupid to end the discussion.

About the spelling and punctuation, please excuse me. English is not my native language, but I'm trying to do my best.

Who is Voldermort?

You really don't know? Voldemort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voldemort) is "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voldemort)"
Just a reference joke.

[Starstruck]

How can you be "the one whose name cannot be mentioned", if we are all shouting "I am zar". And while we are on the subject, I have noticed that some of the spelling and punctuation leave a lot to be desired. Now I dont want to have to start issuing warnings.
As Mr Enigma would say "we make mistakes, people die". So c´mon, can we all think before we post please, people. Now that we are all on the same page,....

Yeah, I also thought that Lee´s question, "what if it had been Zach" was pretty portentious.

Who is Voldermort?

I am beginning to feel a lttle out of my depth. When I first entered the forum, I felt like I was one of the sharpest tools in the box, but this new generation of posters with their cutting edge, multi quote technology and bullet point post structure are in a different league.

Promotion?

How about we not throw stones, eh? I thought his posts were completely understandable if not perfect.

Would you please stop asking for a promotion in every one of your posts? As someone mentioned to you in another thread, promotions aren't handed out in forums. They are automatic calculations of how many posts a user has made.

Sorry, just starting to get annoyed by this behavior.

[timbo]

Starstruck and Zar, I am wasted on you guys, do you really think I would complain about spelling and punctuation. I think you both need to change the batteries in your sense of humour machines...........and please dont post that you havent got sense of humour machines. No, wait a minute, you might be german, in which case.....

Now stop taking yourselves so seriously, and come here for a big forum group hug. There that´better isn´t it. We are on the same side Y´know.

[iheartthesystem]

come here for a big forum group hug
Oh yay, free hugs for everyone! Or just Zar and Starstruck?

[timbo]

Everyone.

Ok, ready? On three, a worldwide virtual cyberhug. One, two three,..........................................Aa aaaaaahhhhhh, I love you guys.

Now that´s better.

[Zar]

No, wait a minute, you might be german, in which case.....

lmao. That was funny. I'm not German, but my mother's family is from Germany. ;)

Free hugs for everyone!

[Zar]

I have confirmed (http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=846) that both "Significant 7" members (Simon and Number 8) and humans (Lee, Bill Adama, Helo and Laura Roslin) consider the cylons not another species or a thing, but another "race".

So I'm dropping alt least part of the theory were I suggest they are just alternating reproduction stages of human beings. The "skin jobs", Raiders, Centurions and Base Ships are actually another "race" or maybe "races", but still created from an asexual process.

[timbo]

I agree. A different race, rather than species makes reconciliation more plausable and relevant.


Starstruck, you felt stiff and uneasy in last nights Group cyberhug. I think we should do this every day, and tonight I want you to stand between JDS and Aylinn, and feel the luuurrve.

[buerger23]

Ha! wow timbo sure are taking a chance there aren't you! :lol: :lol: :lol: