Ellen Tigh Theory [Archive] - Battlestar Forum

UncleFracker

January 25th, 2008, 06:38 PM

Ever since the episode " Tigh me up, Tigh me down" I have thought
that Ellen was a cylon. Now since the last 4 have been revealed, the last is doubtfully Ellen, but... Think about this?

What if Ellen Tigh is an older version of the six model?, meaning that a six model actually ages like a normal human being. Plus, that would explain why Ellen's character is back and plus she has hair just like all the blonde six models in set pics I've seen. So all of yah think about it.

Shane

January 25th, 2008, 06:48 PM

Good theory. I was just discussing the "Last Supper" missing person theory as to the empty glass. Ellen was a drinker, but I doubt she is an aged Six. Each model again was separate distinctiveness.

Seanathin

January 26th, 2008, 05:48 AM

I get the feeling that Ellen well end up being in Tighs head. It would be odd that she was drawn to another cylon because that is counter to their breeding which seems part of their nature. Because aprantly cyclon+cylon=no boby cylon+human=insta pregers.

it would be kind of lame if the poped up and was a cylon you would have to explane where the final five rez and it would just be another nail in Tighs charator's coffeen to have the wife he feels guilty for killing coming back.

Aset

January 26th, 2008, 01:04 PM

I get the feeling that Ellen well end up being in Tighs head. It would be odd that she was drawn to another cylon because that is counter to their breeding which seems part of their nature. Because aprantly cyclon+cylon=no boby cylon+human=insta pregers.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. Look at Chief & Boomer.

I do agree that there is definitely something weird with Ellen. Especially after Tigh me up, Tigh me down. What exactly that is I'm not sure.

Malcolm

January 26th, 2008, 01:40 PM

"Ellen Tigh will return this season, but she is not the final Cylon, and most of her scenes will be in the form of flashbacks as Saul Tigh attempts to deal with his actions on New Caprica in light of his self-revelation as a member of the Final Five."

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Season_4

Mingus

January 26th, 2008, 02:23 PM

Most of her scenes flashbacks? So she comes back to life?

Malcolm

January 26th, 2008, 03:51 PM

"Ellen Tigh will return this season, but SHE IS NOT the final Cylon"

See. :) ;)

Mingus

January 26th, 2008, 04:33 PM

I didn't mean 'come back to life' as in 'resurrect,' but just figuratively. Or she never died in other words. But she's back as a 'current' character, not just a memory.

If she's back as a current character, I wonder how they'll swing that. I'm already curious about how Starbuck comes back after just 6 hours or so of her time. Wormhole? Too Trekky. Supernaturally? Too hardcore Biblical. And she's not a Cylon. So...any thoughts? Or is that another thread?

Seanathin

January 26th, 2008, 07:36 PM

Maybe it will be flashbacks and Head Ellen, thats my guess.

As for StarBuck I got nothin.

Malcolm

January 27th, 2008, 09:20 AM

Cylons saved Starbuck, so she can lead them to Earth IMO. :D

The Nubs

January 28th, 2008, 01:50 PM

Cylons saved Starbuck, so she can lead them to Earth IMO. :D

I agree with that. But the real question is which group of cylons?

Lestat

January 29th, 2008, 04:19 PM

And how did they saved her? a miracle?

Also did the Cylons or the colonial for that matter know how many warheads we have round here?

Lt.Heracles

January 29th, 2008, 04:28 PM

Ellen is a Cylon indeed remember the first episode when Adama took her of The Rising Star?
Gaius Baltar fraude the testresults by saying to everyone: you are so green, greener then green, while it was frackin' RED!

But the question is she it or not? We'll see, but Cylons becoming older? Well then I have to check Sharon's age before she become old and grayer then gray:eek:

Lestat

January 29th, 2008, 05:15 PM

I was pretty sure it was Boomer I have to see that episode again

Joe Beaudoin Jr.

January 29th, 2008, 05:20 PM

It was Boomer. After he found out that Boomer was a Cylon, he rapidly changed the results to read green, fearing what she would do if he told her the truth.

Lt.Heracles

January 29th, 2008, 05:27 PM

Back from patrol and I heared this from Admiral Adama:eek:
No, I'm not mentioning Sharon. That was his 1st test.
The 2nd was Ellen Tigh after the test she hughed Commander Adama and she whispers in her ear: you can't frack with me, Bill.

Do you all remember it now?
Watch that episode and you'll see I'm right.

Serenity

January 29th, 2008, 05:35 PM

No, you referred to Sharon with the dialogue you quoted.

About Tigh he only says something like "I'll never tell" when Six asks what the test showed.

Lt.Heracles

January 29th, 2008, 05:41 PM

No, you referred to Sharon with the dialogue you quoted.

About Tigh he only says something like "I'll never tell" when Six asks what the test showed.

well yeah with that other quote i mentioned the episode.
and indeed Baltar saids to six : I'll never tell.
So you saw it,

and I believe Ellen Tigh is a Cylon! I'm glad she is on Caprica I didn't like her at all, she was rude to Helo and Sharon and to me & Sharon.

Dwyn2435

January 29th, 2008, 06:05 PM

I don't think that's necessarily the case. Look at Chief & Boomer.

I do agree that there is definitely something weird with Ellen.

That she's a demure, promiscuous, harlot?

Lt.Heracles

January 29th, 2008, 06:44 PM

After seeing that episode back, i was mistake and you all were right.

But then again I still say that Ellen is a Cylon.

Malcolm

January 30th, 2008, 03:24 PM

I agree with that. But the real question is which group of cylons?

Human Cylons probably. In the spoilers I read, that MediaBlvd Magazine reports that an early Season 4 episode will deal with a violent rebellion by Centurions against their humanoid masters, after some Centurions regain the intelligence that they lost through the enslavement by the humanoid models.

so probably human cylons and humans will fight together vs. centurions or smth like that. ;)

skip

November 6th, 2008, 11:05 AM

i agree Ellen Tigh is a cylon... my theory...

Ellen Tigh is one of the first skinjobs (together with Saul Tigh maybe?)
And after the F5 were created (probably by the 13th tribe?)
The cylons from the colony's when they were trying to make Skinjobs they knew about the F5, And so when they started to try to make skinjobs they took Ellen Tigh as an example and so they build Six..

Ellen Tigh never died on New Caprica.. She survived the poison Saul Tigh gave her, or it was not poison just a sleepy drug that she got and that Saul gave her without knowing.

How did she get off New Caprica, well thats the hard nut.. I think she's allready at earth... She got there somehow maybe when she waked up she was activated and took a raider or some sort to go home ==> earth.

Even the trailer for Season 4.5 pulls me in the direction of Ellen Tigh.. Cause its Saul Tigh that says You're The Fifth.. What if he sees ellen again on earth then his 5cents will drop and saying it... fully emotionally..

So Ellen Tigh 4 Final Cylon

thank you lol

Prolescum

November 6th, 2008, 11:30 AM

Stairway

November 6th, 2008, 11:56 AM

I actually quite like the theory of her being an older version of the 6. And since the Final Five probably designed the S7 she just used her memory of being younger or something like that. Anyway, it might work, if well written.

skip

November 7th, 2008, 01:14 PM

i dount fink it cuod be eLlen tie, cos wot you just sed aint rite. i fink ther final5 R! ther wots left of ther thurteen tribe.
lol rofl

what isn't right?

If the final 5 are the leftovers from the 13th tribe, why can't she be one of them either?

genji2000

November 7th, 2008, 01:53 PM

what isn't right?

If the final 5 are the leftovers from the 13th tribe, why can't she be one of them either?

I think the opinion that Ellen didn't die on New Caprica is not realistic given what we've been shown. It's basically just your fantasy, which goes beyond speculation. I'm not saying it's stupid at all, by the way, just that the show gave us her death, Tigh's guilt and depression over it (possibly the most heartbreaking moment in the show is when Adama says "you brought them back" and Tigh chokes, "not all of them"), and his aural and visual hallucinatory longing to have her back. To retcon her death would be cheap, tacky, offensive (treating the audience like idiots) and Bobby Ewing.

Regarding the Thirteenth Tribe, what Dirt so eloquently explains is that the F5 weren't created by the Thirteenth Tribe - they are the Thirteenth Tribe (or what remains of them) - in response to your comment:

And after the F5 were created (probably by the 13th tribe?)

None of this really discounts her from being the Fifth. What impacts on your argument is the expression of it:

The cylons from the colony's when they were trying to make Skinjobs they knew about the F5

I think she's allready at earth...

She got there somehow maybe when she waked up she was activated

took a raider or some sort to go home ==> earth

What if he sees ellen again on earth then his 5cents will drop and saying it... fully emotionally..

So Ellen Tigh 4 Final Cylon

thank you lol

Now, it's not my or The Dirt's intention to lambast your idiom nor to cause offence. Whether you take offence or not is your choice. However, your argument does come off like Dirt's example (http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?p=24547#post24547) of how not to present a theory, because unless you can argue it coherently it doesn't stand much of a chance.

Prolescum

November 7th, 2008, 02:10 PM

I think the opinion that Ellen didn't die on New Caprica is not realistic given what we've been shown. It's basically just your fantasy, which goes beyond speculation. I'm not saying it's stupid at all, by the way, just that the show gave us her death, Tigh's guilt and depression over it (possibly the most heartbreaking moment in the show is when Adama says "you brought them back" and Tigh chokes, "not all of them"), and his aural and visual hallucinatory longing to have her back. To retcon her death would be cheap, tacky, offensive (treating the audience like idiots) and Bobby Ewing.

Regarding the Thirteenth Tribe, what Dirt so eloquently explains is that the F5 weren't created by the Thirteenth Tribe - they are the Thirteenth Tribe (or what remains of them) - in response to your comment:
And after the F5 were created (probably by the 13th tribe?)None of this really discounts her from being the Fifth. What impacts on your argument is the expression of it:
The cylons from the colony's when they were trying to make Skinjobs they knew about the F5

I think she's allready at earth...

She got there somehow maybe when she waked up she was activated

took a raider or some sort to go home ==> earth

What if he sees ellen again on earth then his 5cents will drop and saying it... fully emotionally..

So Ellen Tigh 4 Final Cylon

thank you lolNow, it's not my or The Dirt's intention to lambast your idiom nor to cause offence. Whether you take offence or not is your choice. However, your argument does come off like Dirt's example (http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?p=24547#post24547) of how not to present a theory, because unless you can argue it coherently it doesn't stand much of a chance.
That's what I was going to say. This in particular
I think the opinion that Ellen didn't die on New Caprica is not realistic given what we've been shown. It's basically just your fantasy, which goes beyond speculation. I'm not saying it's stupid at all, by the way, just that the show gave us her death, Tigh's guilt and depression over it (possibly the most heartbreaking moment in the show is when Adama says "you brought them back" and Tigh chokes, "not all of them"), and his aural and visual hallucinatory longing to have her back. To retcon her death would be cheap, tacky, offensive (treating the audience like idiots) and Bobby Ewing.

skip

November 7th, 2008, 02:48 PM

thanks for explaining lol :)

my grammar sucks too much to explain anyways :)

i dont take offense to it.. its all good.. if its her i can say in ur face lol j/k..

genji2000

November 7th, 2008, 03:05 PM

thanks for explaining lol :)

my grammar sucks too much to explain anyways :)

i dont take offense to it.. its all good.. if its her i can say in ur face lol j/k..

That you can. I actually like her as a candidate. Thanks for taking what could have come off as prickish condescension so well humouredly (chk grammar?).

thevarrior

November 8th, 2008, 11:39 AM

i dount fink it cuod be eLlen tie, cos wot you just sed aint rite. i fink ther final5 R! ther wots left of ther thurteen tribe.
lol rofl

Took me a couple tries to read that O_o.

I think the opinion that Ellen didn't die on New Caprica is not realistic given what we've been shown. It's basically just your fantasy, which goes beyond speculation. I'm not saying it's stupid at all, by the way, just that the show gave us her death, Tigh's guilt and depression over it (possibly the most heartbreaking moment in the show is when Adama says "you brought them back" and Tigh chokes, "not all of them"), and his aural and visual hallucinatory longing to have her back. To retcon her death would be cheap, tacky, offensive (treating the audience like idiots) and Bobby Ewing.

Right, the emotional impact of it was a huge blow, quite grim. Which is why I still think she's an older Six and was resurrected upon one of the baseships after she was euthanized by Colonel Tigh. I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of her, and it's definitely going to affect Tigh's judgment in a very, very bad way.

Wouter

November 8th, 2008, 11:44 AM

Right, the emotional impact of it was a huge blow, quite grim.
To me it did little, actually. Ellen had suddenly been elevated to halfway sympathetic character, but I still saw the character mostly by her S1 and S2 persona. I was a bit sorry for Tigh but that was about it.

thevarrior

November 8th, 2008, 11:51 AM

To me it did little, actually. Ellen had suddenly been elevated to halfway sympathetic character, but I still saw the character mostly by her S1 and S2 persona. I was a bit sorry for Tigh but that was about it.

I wasn't talking about her death. I was talking about Tigh's reunion with Adama, and how instead of being something happy, it was somber and almost wrenching.

Batman316

November 8th, 2008, 11:31 PM

i dount fink it cuod be eLlen tie, cos wot you just sed aint rite. i fink ther final5 R! ther wots left of ther thurteen tribe.

........

Is this what the world is coming too?

.......

Hofner1962

November 9th, 2008, 01:49 AM

I still think she's an older Six and was resurrected upon one of the baseships after she was euthanized by Colonel Tigh. I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of her, and it's definitely going to affect Tigh's judgment in a very, very bad way.

First off 6 is at least a couple of inches taller than Ellen. Also, if she resurrects then she will now look like a 6, not like Ellen at all. Any reunion scene would be her "convincing" him that she really is Ellen - pretty anti climactic . Also, the woman he "loves" now looks exactly like his current girlfriend - yea twins.

Also, wouldn't she have looked like a 6 when she was young. She has been with Tigh for a long time. 15 years ago, she would have looked just like 6 does now. You would think Tigh would remember what she looked like when he met her and put 6 + 6 together when he met Shelley Godfried.

In addition, if she is a 6 I would think Caprica would have tried to tap into her memories - see what else she could learn/glean about humanity. Seems that 6 wouldn't have needed Head Baltar to help her in the interrogation scenes near the end of season 3.

I just don't buy it

thevarrior

November 9th, 2008, 08:16 AM

First off 6 is at least a couple of inches taller than Ellen. Also, if she resurrects then she will now look like a 6, not like Ellen at all. Any reunion scene would be her "convincing" him that she really is Ellen - pretty anti climactic . Also, the woman he "loves" now looks exactly like his current girlfriend - yea twins.

Also, wouldn't she have looked like a 6 when she was young. She has been with Tigh for a long time. 15 years ago, she would have looked just like 6 does now. You would think Tigh would remember what she looked like when he met her and put 6 + 6 together when he met Shelley Godfried.

In addition, if she is a 6 I would think Caprica would have tried to tap into her memories - see what else she could learn/glean about humanity. Seems that 6 wouldn't have needed Head Baltar to help her in the interrogation scenes near the end of season 3.

I just don't buy it

She could have been a sleeper agent, a rebel, one of the first to develop individuality and fled with Tigh to prevent being boxed. As for when he met her, you're forgetting that they're Cylons. They can be programmed to believe whatever, and like before a switch flipped and Tigh simply forgot about her past.

I think there's too much similarity between her and the Sixes for it to be a coincidence - yes she's a bit shorter... so? This show has already proven that it doesn't pay too much attention to detail. Her personality, her overall look and demeanor, and the fact that she tends to dress similarly and have similar delusions of grandeur as well as sexual dominance over men - I don't think that's a coincidence.

snowmelter

November 10th, 2008, 12:17 AM

There is something definitely "off" about Ellen, but I don't think she's the final cylon. I'm sorta sorry they're bringing her back. I was glad she died and I disliked her character.

Kissingher

November 12th, 2008, 01:36 PM

Ellen is the final Cylon. (Just sayin' ;)

She fits the "Not in the Last Supper" clue. (In fact, the empty spot on the table is directly next to Saul. And it's Saul's emotional voice we here saying, "You're the Fifth".)

She fits the "Not in the Fleet" clue. (And has a damn good alibi.)

She came from season 1. And wasn't a day player. (A recurring character is NOT a "day player".)

There were significant clues pointing to her in Season 1, especially the mystery surrounding how she got into the fleet.

She's a SHE. (Grace let it slip that it's a she.)

Look, lots of people are hitting their head on the wall with this trying to twist things to make it a main character. It's obviously not a main character, as the two major clues about "not in the fleet" and the LS Pic indicate. And yes, apparently, that also means that the final Cylon isn't going to be more shocking then Tigh. I think there will be some disappointment about that, no matter who it is, because of all the build up to this reveal.

To be fair, there are other possible candidates such as Kat, Elosha and possibly Seelix. None of them were in the Fleet (Kat & Elosha being dead, and Seelix on the Basestar.) And none in the Last Supper picture. All are from season 1, and they have recurred enough to qualify as non "Day Players". But the problem with them is that I can't think of any significant clues hinting that any might be a Cylon, accept maybe Elosha appearing to Laura during The Hub. (Which is refuted anyway because the writer revealed that was supposed to be Billy, and Elosha was a last minute substitute.) And Ellen is a more significant character then any of them, with a more compelling mystery. Plus Ellen's strong tie to Tigh. (Much like Tyrol's to Boomer and Anders' to Tory.) Ellen was the only person anyone mentioned by name in the Gym, when the four of them met... "What about Ellen?"

In addition, RDM likes to reward actors he likes. He's lavished praise on Kate's work, and said in podcasts that he missed her.

So, Ellen really does seem like the obvious choice.

BTW - I've never bought the Ellen as an older six idea. Kate is too short, and other then having blond hair, doesn't look that similar to Tricia. I like to think that if they wanted an older Six, they would have used some make-up magic on Tricia.

Pnutmaster

November 12th, 2008, 01:43 PM

She's a likely candidate. I just wonder how she'll be revealed to the Fleet as the Final Cylon (I'm assuming--hoping she is dead, and Tigh is not actually speaking to her in the flesh). What, do they come across a group photo of the Final Five during the emo-laden stay on Earth?

Prolescum

November 12th, 2008, 01:56 PM

If the Final Cylon was dead, surely D'Anna would be in a far worse mood than she is after being unboxed and getting back to the fleet; the Cylons are looking for the five to complete them and lead them on their journey through life or whatever, not very likely if one is dead.

genji2000

November 12th, 2008, 02:20 PM

A recurring character is NOT a "day player".

I think that's exactly what a day-player is. A day-player to me is someone who has few lines and few appearances. This enables the production team to plan the shooting around having as many wide-angle, highly populated shots as possible finished early in the day's shooting schedule. Leanne Cairns is the archetypal day-player. Her lines can be shot quickly so they can pay her just for a day or half a day. Scenes of high emotional impact that may require many retakes would be left till later in the day since the actors involved would have to be paid overtime.

Main actors are not day-players. Many supporting actors (in BSG) are not day players since many have effectively become main actors (Douglas, Hogan, Penkiett). Actors playing recurring but not steady characters are certainly day-players.

Which is not to say that Kate is a day-player, just that your definition of day-players not being recurring characters is wrong, IMO.

There were significant clues pointing to her in Season 1, especially the mystery surrounding how she got into the fleet.

To my mind this is worth as much as the syncopation of Romo Lampkin's appearances and the focus on Gaeta's singing: obvious red herrings.

pagad

November 12th, 2008, 02:41 PM

She's a SHE. (Grace let it slip that it's a she.)

When? Source?

Hofner1962

November 12th, 2008, 05:26 PM

They can be programmed to believe whatever, and like before a switch flipped and Tigh simply forgot about her past.

True, but they can't reprogram all of the people that have known her. Adama in particular. I get the impression that Tigh and Ellen have been together for quite awhile. It may not be true, but that is what I think based on the context of many of the conversations that have taken place about Tigh and Ellen.

As his closest friend for 30 years, it seems likely that Adama would have met his wife and seen what she looked like young.

Vesihiisi

November 13th, 2008, 02:13 AM

I agree, that Ellen is a possible candidate, but I also tend to agree with some of the reasons given against her, such as the huge dramatic investment made in Tigh's grief.

Apart from that, my main reason for prefering Elosha over Ellen is, that I would like to see the Final Cylon as finally somebody, who has had a proactive role in driving events. So far, all the characters, including the Significant Seven, have been mostly muddling along in a reactive fashion. Nobody has shown any indication of even attempting to be in charge of the big picture, and Head Six appears to be the only one with any clue of some ultimate purpose.

Elosha at least had a significant role in establishing the colonials' quest for Earth, and she might have the capacity to be an even more complex character. In comparison, all the schemings of Ellen have seemed to be very personally motivated and of a relatively petty nature. I am most disappointed by the events on New Caprica: Cavil clearly had the upper hand and was toying with her. Then, her actions concerning the crucial map betrayal were haphazard, with the final outcome completely left to chance. Not what I would really expect from the Final Cylon.

So, if Ellen turnes out to be the Final Cylon, it would seem to me as a disappointing random selection, too much in line with the other four, or it would require the nature of her character to be completely reversed.

timbo

November 13th, 2008, 04:40 AM

skip

November 13th, 2008, 05:28 PM

The Dirt

November 13th, 2008, 05:54 PM

maybe she doesn't know that the final cylon is dead.. she been boxed and some stuff happend in that time..

Not a bad point, but she also knows that the final Cylon is not in the fleet. She also had a bit of remorse in the way she made that statement. D'Anna said "Forgive me. I didn't know." in the Opera House vision. This would seem that she knew the Cylon personally, and was somehow responsible for their death (although this could easily be interpreted as something else). It seems odd that D'Anna would know for certain who is and isn't in the fleet, unless that person was either (a) dead (b) in a known location other than with the fleet (c) both.

I'm more and more convinced that the fifth is dead and D'Anna or the Cylons had something to do with it.

Pnutmaster

November 13th, 2008, 06:54 PM

Not a bad point, but she also knows that the final Cylon is not in the fleet. She also had a bit of remorse in the way she made that statement. D'Anna said "Forgive me. I didn't know." in the Opera House vision. This would seem that she knew the Cylon personally, and was somehow responsible for their death (although this could easily be interpreted as something else). It seems odd that D'Anna would know for certain who is and isn't in the fleet, unless that person was either (a) dead (b) in a known location other than with the fleet (c) both.

I'm more and more convinced that the fifth is dead and D'Anna or the Cylons had something to do with it.

Yes, and here's the problem with claiming the fifth is alive: To do so, you admit that either the fifth Cylon is not in the Fleet (and stranded say, on New Caprica, or the Colonies--which would be odd), or they're fundamentally different from the fundamentally different Watchtower Four, justifying their absence from the Ionian Nebula awakening.

Hofner1962

November 13th, 2008, 07:22 PM

If it is a she, then it must Roslyn. Affair with the president, away from Caprica in the attack, seducing Adama, etc etc.

Or someone else. If it is a she, then it must be a woman. Or a man dressed as a woman. Or a man trapped in the body of a woman. Like Genji.

Oooh - a "Crying Game" style reveal. Though if this were actually true I think Tigh's response would be more like
"You're the . . . what the frak .... I don't believ... oh get the frak away from me. I am not going to stand here and listen to you talk about the fragile body of Gaius Fraking Baltar . . .

oh all right - Apollo is pretty hot ..."

timbo

November 14th, 2008, 03:38 AM

Oooh - a "Crying Game" style reveal. Though if this were actually true I think Tigh's response would be more like
"You're the . . . what the frak .... I don't believ... oh get the frak away from me. I am not going to stand here and listen to you talk about the fragile body of Gaius Fraking Baltar . . .

oh all right - Apollo is pretty hot ..."

Excellent connection Hoff. Tigh is kneeling in front of Cap six, slowly pulling down her panties, when suddenly he emits a guttoral roar. Eeeuuwhat the fraaa.... .
The camera zooms in, and She has a tadger. No wait, she has two tadgers. But only one testicle. Y´know, as if the original designers got the numbers wrong.

Plan´s done. Abit of polishing, and I´ll post it today.

genji2000

November 14th, 2008, 07:06 PM

Plan´s done. Abit of polishing, and I´ll post it today.

I've sat here waiting, growing ever more impatient, for the last 13 hours. Timbo, you're a fake and a phoney and I wish I'd never laid eyes on you. I'm going to bed. I'll speak to you in the morning.

timbo

November 14th, 2008, 09:01 PM

I've sat here waiting, growing ever more impatient, for the last 13 hours. Timbo, you're a fake and a phoney and I wish I'd never laid eyes on you. I'm going to bed. I'll speak to you in the morning.

It´s 1.58 am, and I´m still working on it. I should be in bed. It didn´t come out right. Last time, it just sort of wrote itself, but this time I think I was forcing it too much.

But, fair enough, I made a promise, and I´m gonna deliver. Trust me. Just a little longer.