Is this the theory?

[sWozzie]

It's a bit pie in the sky but it's interesting all the same.

Lets say that the Final Five + Significant 7 (12 Lords of Kobol) are divine beings of some kind (like Gandalf you know lol) whose purpose it was to look after mankind. There was some powerstruggle (jealous god) and they had a war. The victorious 7 exiled the defeated 5. Obviously being divine, they are going to be exiled to some place outside of time and space, some transcendental reality somewhere. Yeah bit far fetched, anyway...

1. The four revealed, haven't always been 4 of the Final Five - they were only turned into 4 of the Final Five once they arrived at, or got close to the Ionian Nebula. This is where a supernova went bang 17000 years ago and we all know that stars imploding creates a big problem for space and time. Sort of like when General Zod escaped from that mirror thing in Superman 2 lol. Anyway the supernova creates a kind of doorway into the transcendental reality where the Final Five were locked away and now they have escaped by possesing the bodies of those four revealed. This is why you can "see" the Final Five through the Eye of Jupiter.

Got that? good...

2. At the end of the war, the cylons created a hybrid. According to the Razor writers meeting, the hybrid can see what lies between life and death. The hybrid attracted the attention of the victorious 7 Lords who infiltrated their society and led them to rapidly evolving from dumb chrome toasters to intelligent resurrection capable beings. This is why the hybrid experiment was abandoned and some quick thinking cylons, the Guardians escaped with the hybrid to avoid being scrapped by their successors.

This provides answers as to why...
1. You can see the Final Five through the Eye of Jupiter
2. D'Anna was killed when she saw one of the Final Five
3. D'Anna recognized one of them
4. The Significant7 are scared of the Final5
5. The four revealed have only become four of the five as they approached the Ionian Nebula and have become posessed by the Final Five - so the Tigh problem is a red herring
6. Starbucks destiny may involve freeing the Final Five from this prison as well as finding the way to Earth - she is draw toward the doorway of this prison
7. Why the S7 are so careful about sticking together and not splitting up since they don't want another war - this is why D'Anna is boxed because she defied the group potentially causing a split.

The Hera thing is simply about the cylons following one of Gods commandments, procreation for which they require a human.

[ThPrime]

Sort of like when General Zod escaped from that mirror thing in Superman 2 lol.


It's called the Phantom Zone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_zone) and the opera house dreams in Crossroads reminded me of it too. The idea that these five beings are imprisoned there for the last four thousand years. The dreams are basically depicted as nightmares. Hera has been having nightmares. Roslin and Sharon awake screaming. "Also Sprach Zarathustra" was the placeholder music used for this scene in the Crossroads screener (or so I read) later to be replaced by Bear's similar dissonant theme.

A simple interpretation of the dream: Laura and Sharon try to stop Hera from proceeding. Hera is eagerly running to the glowy guys. She is seen reaching for them. (Better peek at that next episode I expect) While Caprica Six and Whatever-Baltar are facilitators in this, they are clearly unsettled at discovering the glowy guys in the balcony and not on the stage. The overall feeling is completely opposite that of Head Six and Baltar's previous visit to this place, where all is joy and bliss including Bear's music.

And the final kicker, at dream's end the scene of the five glowy guys flashes into a negative image. For an instant, their robes are black, suddenly less than angelic. This negative image trick hasn't been seen anywhere in Battlestar since 1979, War of the Gods Part 2, when Count Iblis is at last revealed to Starbuck and Apollo as a demon.

The overall vibe is something's not right. Caprica Six feels Hera is endangered. What is the "direct connection" between the five glowy guys and the final five? If it's direct, WHY are the five essentially in two places at once? Simultaneously inhabiting purgatory and existing in corporeal form. Shouldn't the opera house... be empty?

Some of the things I think are significant:

Angel of God Head Six is comfortable in the opera house. Caprica Six is not.

The focus of the opera house is consistently Hera, the first of the new generation of God's children. D'Anna was an intruder.

Hera is ultimately Head Six's goal. Baltar is nothing more than a means to this end.

The thirteenth tribe constructed the Temple of Five, a place of worship for the one whose name cannot be spoken. This description from the sacred scrolls casts a negative connotation on the thirteenth tribe, the place they built and this entity. At least from the twelve tribes point of view, past and current.

Due to the temple's age, the five glowy guys are holdovers from the previous cycle. Ethereal survivors from the apocalypse that befell Kobol.

And according to our original season three basestar hybrid, these five are sinners :)

[Orion]

Yes, yes... and if my grandmother could fly, I'd call her a Viper.:rolleyes:

[LSOP]

ThPrime, I think you are onto something. To broaden the theory along those lines I would offer that the Angel-of-God-Leoben in Kara's head as she dives into the Maelstrom probably has the same desires as Angel-of-God-Six. He insinuates to Kara that he is not the cylon Leoben, and she senses that, just as Baltar is realizing more and more that his Head-Six is not the same as the real Caprica Six he knows. There seems to be some kind of spiritual battle going on here.

[LSOP]

I noticed the negative image flash with the final five too. In fact, I tried to freeze-frame it, because I thought that maybe I could see details of who they were while the image was negative. They actually looked a little more distinct, but nowhere near enough to see anything revealing. But I do think that the negative flash is significant to who they really are.

[ThPrime]

I noticed the negative image flash with the final five too. In fact, I tried to freeze-frame it, because I thought that maybe I could see details of who they were while the image was negative. They actually looked a little more distinct, but nowhere near enough to see anything revealing. But I do think that the negative flash is significant to who they really are.

Frame captures from the High Definition broadcast are in these two Skiffy threads:

Crossroad pt 2 fifth cylon clue (http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2284096)
something interesting about Roslin/Caprica/Athena Opera House dream (http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2288155)

[LSOP]

I guess you could say, ThPrime, that all this posting has happened before and all this posting will happen again. Geez, this whole topic was thoroughly handled months ago. I linked to the thread you posted (and followed them to some others) and learned everything there is to know and speculate on about the opera house visions and the glowy guys. You made some great posts there too. Thanks.