The REAL Final 5

[Jennings7]

Ok, with the new promo picture out, we now know that every person in the picture is not the 5th and final cylon because Moore said so himself. Lets treat this thread as the most revised look at who the 5th and final cylon could be. Assuming Moore is not lying, the 5th of the Final 5 cylons cannot be:

Lee Adama
William Adama
Laura Roslin
Kara "Starbuck" Thrace
Gaius Baltar or
Karl "Helo" Agathon

Now, since they cannot be cylons, it HAS to be someone seeking redemption (because that is what the first hybrid said) that is not in the picture.

Lets list all the possibles that can possibly qualify.

The only person I am going to list is Felix Gaeta because I believe he will definitely be the 5th cylon. He is seeking redemption due to the fact that most of the humans believe he betrayed them by serving Baltar. He is seeking redemption for this. I personally believe they will build him back up to the point where he is a main character again, only to expose him as the cylon who will control the other 4 of the Final 5.

[Korporate]

Geata: As stated above

Ellen Tigh: Betrayed her people

Cally:Perhaps something happens in the new season

Billy?

Karas Mom?

Admiral Kaine: He actions against the civilians

Kendra Shaw: Same as above

Zarek: Past sins

My Personal Favorite

Zack Adama: however I have no idea what past sins he would have. However he would have to seek redemption, or be redeemed to come back to life.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

As per RDM and Bradley Thompson's earlier (and distinctly separate) comments, the character is known as early as season one.

So based off that morsel, the list is:

Felix Gaeta
Anastasia Dualla
Ellen Tigh
Cally
Admiral Cain
Zarek

As for this "Kendra theory", it's popular because the character was in "Razor" and was pretty popular with the fans. Beyond that, she was never around in the first season and was created specifically because of "Razor", and thus is not being considered here.

To be honest, given the simple reason that the last member of the Final Five needs to have an emotional and dramatic impact -- and needs to be known to the audience without the "who the frak is THAT?" factor, you can safely get rid of Zak. The only people who really know about him are the die-hard fans.

Dualla is a failed character. The actress who portrays her is far too incompetent to be able to pull off a successful reveal as "ze Final Cylon" and the only reason she's still around is because they don't know what to do with her, and she's been with the show since the start. (Also, as so much I really hate to bring up the race aspect, she is the only "black" character in the show out of what is otherwise a very, uhm, light toned cast.) If she's the Final Five, then I'll safely throw out all my RDM Battlestar Galactica DVDs and rewatch Galactica 1980's "The Super Scouts" and "Space Croppers" fifteen times in one sitting. (Coincidentally, I've felt this way about the actress since her stint on "Jeremiah" and cheered when her character was shot in the back by Valhalla sector forces in that show's first season.) At that point, they may as well bring Roger Davis, since he would lend far more credibility to the show than that talentless individual.

So ... no Dee.

Out of the alleged choices we now have, I believe the one with the ability to pull off a Final Five reveal would be Gaeta or Ellen Tigh, since the actors are extremely talented and would pull such a thing off with great aplomb.

But, my money is on Gaeta (if I had to bet on any of the above), since the last Cylon doesn't strike me as being one of the dead people.

[sirakos]

I might have missed something, but why can't the last one be starbuck?

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

I might have missed something, but why can't the last one be starbuck?

She's in the picture next to Anders. ;-)

[sWozzie]

Moore says that the he has know who the 5th cylon is from the start, but in the Razor writings meeting they talk about the possibility of making the hybrid the 5th and final cylon - they also talk about making Kendra reincarnate, allowing the hybrid to turn her into a skinjob etc etc So they obviously aren't commited to making the 5th cylon someone that has been around since the start.

The 5th cylon could be anyone now that they have decided existing humans can be cylons and I doubt they even decided who it was pre season 4, they still may not have decided even though they have filmed half of season 4.

The thing is not to try and work out who it is, but who it could be since the writers will just choose whoever they think has a good backstory to fullfil it and if they cant do that they will create a backstory in season 4 for that character so that it fits

Six - wont be six because she is already a cylon
Baltar - good chance
Roslin - good chance, she was in a cylon projection at the opera house
Starbuck - unlikely, she has been resurrected by "god" presumably to fullfil her destiny of leading the others to Earth - as the hybrid says "lead to the promised land on the wings of an angel"
B. Adama - good chance
L. Adama - unlikely
Gaeta - would need a backstory
Minor characters - would need a backstory
Kendra Shaw - good chance for many reasons not least because she looks good on set and it would be a good story to bring her back
Ellen - maybe, but unlikely
Cally - not without a new backstory
New character - wouldn't surprise me

I am going with Kendra just because I think its the kind of stunt the writers would pull but I really have no idea

[Orion]

All of you bringing on dead characters such as Kendra or Adm Cain as candidates for the last Cylon, can you please clarify where you think that the Final Five resurrect? Because first, if they resurrect, then they are not so special as considered - there must be extra bodies on stock - and second, if they resurrect, the only chance for them to do so is on a resurrection ship. Any other facility is too far away. But that means if the Last is a "dead" character, the 7, i.e., 6 Cylons already know him/her, because they care for the resurrected ones.
Anyway, here is a logical mismatch, therefore, all dead characters must be ruled out.

As for Kara, I throw this one in: She never was dead. All we know is what lee thought he saw. he was probably fooled by something. The day they admit "God" brought Kara back I'm throwing all the DVDs to the bin, so I hope they don't fall for such religious crap. Whatever has been said about belief in the series is still assumptions, we haven't seen a god, nor is there any evidence for divine characters. All we know is that there was highly developed people who created artifacts such as the holograms on Kobol and in the temple, and that these are called gods by humans. As for the Cylon "god", I don't think it exists.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

All of you bringing on dead characters such as Kendra or Adm Cain as candidates for the last Cylon, can you please clarify where you think that the Final Five resurrect? Because first, if they resurrect, then they are not so special as considered - there must be extra bodies on stock - and second, if they resurrect, the only chance for them to do so is on a resurrection ship. Any other facility is too far away. But that means if the Last is a "dead" character, the 7, i.e., 6 Cylons already know him/her, because they care for the resurrected ones.
Anyway, here is a logical mismatch, therefore, all dead characters must be ruled out.

Right, there's that to consider. The Significant Seven seem to have their own Resurrection ships, and none of the Final Five bodies would be aboard said ships.

If they were, then the producers have a "lot of 'splainin' to do".

I tend to think that they do resurrect, but not in S7 way. I think that once they're "dead" they tend to reincarnate into a different body, which would explain the circle of time concept in the series.

As for Kara, I throw this one in: She never was dead. All we know is what lee thought he saw. he was probably fooled by something. The day they admit "God" brought Kara back I'm throwing all the DVDs to the bin, so I hope they don't fall for such religious crap. Whatever has been said about belief in the series is still assumptions, we haven't seen a god, nor is there any evidence for divine characters. All we know is that there was highly developed people who created artifacts such as the holograms on Kobol and in the temple, and that these are called gods by humans. As for the Cylon "god", I don't think it exists.

I think Kara didn't "die" either. Some people claim to have seen another ship during those final scenes, though I still believe that it's a trick of the light and merely a distorted reflection of light on Lee's canopy. Do I think that was put there deliberately? Probably. But nothing more than an act of deceit.

What I think may have happened is that the Thirteenth Tribe had something to do with her being saved. Or maybe Cylons loyal to the Final Five... if there are any.

As for the Cylon "God", I suspect that the Cylon "God" isn't a god per se, but some sort of manifestation concocted by their programing.

I wouldn't be surprised if The Colonel from KFC was some sort of architect of this programming... :p

[sWozzie]

The Significant7 resurrect, the Final Five reincarnate (theory)

Kara did die, and has now been resurrected, presumably by God (RON MOORE fact), also Ron Moore says that Apollo *did not* see the cylon heavy raider

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Yes, but who, what, and where is "God"?

As for Apollo not seeing the raider, this doesn't address the issue of whether there was anything to see in the first place. That ball is still up in the air.

Additionally, to paraphrase a line from Star Trek V: "What does God need with a Kara Thrace?" That's the 64,000 dollar question.

Plus, let's remember that "death" is subjective, particularly in this series -- and Kara's death was a tactic from the show's producers to stir up interest.

For all intents and purposes, the dark, frakked-up Starbuck "died" in "Maelstrom" once she faced her demons (her mother, mainly) and, as such, is "reborn" from that.

I suggest that you hit the Season 4 rumors sub-forum and check out the recent YouTube copy of Space's preview of S4. It's interesting viewing. Particularly what Thrace has to say about her "resurrection".

[Rukia]

I'm leaning heavily to the possible fact that Kara didn't 'die' and not just from reading the above although I in part do agree with Orion and Joe Beaudoin Jr.

Think about it, she reappears in a Viper, near enough pristine and possibly brand new. What if, the 13th Tribe do have something to do with her re-appearance, what if they are the ones that built the Viper she is now flying?

Pure conjecture on my part - but if the 13th Tribe have been leaving markers then why can't Kara be there prophet as it were. Another random theory of mine and a friend what if the 13th Tribe were following their own prophecies, is there some way they could have fallen out with the other 12 tribes due to them rejecting the notion of creating the Cylons in the first instant - if its all happened before then surely it would have been written down before also.

Also its plausible that the final five reincarnate, that theory was thrown up in some respect by the Hybrid at the end of Razor.

[Jennings7]

Moore says that the he has know who the 5th cylon is from the start, but in the Razor writings meeting they talk about the possibility of making the hybrid the 5th and final cylon - they also talk about making Kendra reincarnate, allowing the hybrid to turn her into a skinjob etc etc So they obviously aren't commited to making the 5th cylon someone that has been around since the start.

The 5th cylon could be anyone now that they have decided existing humans can be cylons and I doubt they even decided who it was pre season 4, they still may not have decided even though they have filmed half of season 4.

The thing is not to try and work out who it is, but who it could be since the writers will just choose whoever they think has a good backstory to fullfil it and if they cant do that they will create a backstory in season 4 for that character so that it fits

Six - wont be six because she is already a cylon
Baltar - good chance
Roslin - good chance, she was in a cylon projection at the opera house
Starbuck - unlikely, she has been resurrected by "god" presumably to fullfil her destiny of leading the others to Earth - as the hybrid says "lead to the promised land on the wings of an angel"
B. Adama - good chance
L. Adama - unlikely
Gaeta - would need a backstory
Minor characters - would need a backstory
Kendra Shaw - good chance for many reasons not least because she looks good on set and it would be a good story to bring her back
Ellen - maybe, but unlikely
Cally - not without a new backstory
New character - wouldn't surprise me

I am going with Kendra just because I think its the kind of stunt the writers would pull but I really have no idea


OK Swozzie, did you even read my OP? Ron Moore has said that the promotional poster released shows everyone that WILL NOT be the 5th and final cylon? You are still theorizing that it could be Roslin, both the Adama's and Baltar? Assuming Moore isn't cheap enough to flat out lie about something to create misdirection, you have to rule those characters out. I understand some of your past theories have been rendered impossible due to the recent promotional picture, but facts are fact.

Kara Thrace, Lee Adama, William Adama, Helo, and Laura Roslin will not be the 5th cylon.

[Mingus]

I personally think the Final Five will be explained as repeating gene sequences implanted in humanity, with the Final Five repeatedly existing since humans left Kobol or something along those lines. That said, I think it's an excellent chance that Lee is the final Cylon, even though he may have been born to a human. And he's seeking redemption, even though he might be in a little picture here or there...
I remember hearing that we would 'reconsider what it means to be Cylon and Human,' to paraphrase it.

[Aset]

Entertainment Weekly has released a poster with clues to the final cylon. THe people in the picture are NOT the final cylon. Lee Adama is in taht picture. It is no longer an excellent chance to be him.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Actually, Aset, Aaron Douglas seems to have shot down the significance of that picture down more than a few pegs.

http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/55289.html

I think the picture is merely clever PR meant to stir up interest in the show and not to be analyzed and dissected as it has been.

[Orion]

As for the Cylon "God", I suspect that the Cylon "God" isn't a god per se, but some sort of manifestation concocted by their programing.

I wouldn't be surprised if The Colonel from KFC was some sort of architect of this programming... :p

Yes, and then we find that the 13th tribe helped the Colonel get the Spice for his recipe off Dune. Wow, and that takes me to another revelation: William Shatner is the Last Cylon. Only that his programming is.. a little... old... fashioned... if... you... get.... my... meaning.:D

Joking aside, I very much like the idea that the Final Five occur in mankind due to genetic programming. That would allow us to think they appeared in previous cycles of time before; this could be a bridge from cycle to cycle.

But as I said in another thread: Is a theory that needs too much explanation liable to be followed up in the series? There is very little screen time left with one season to come, and I do not think the producers will go all to mystical, with the low ratings and all. Maybe we should think along the lines of production logic, instead of our fandom reasoning. Hence, the Final should be:

-not necessarily somebody where being Cylon is a logical conclusion from our point of view.
-very much necessarily somebody where the audience will go "wow!"

Who could this be?


As to the "dead" characters, OK, if the final five "reincarnate" then these are also possible, however I continue arguing that this needs some quick explanation in the series. They can't waste time on that, too, so I still think it is not very probable.

[Murph]

Given all the "leaks" and "hints" last season surrounding Katee Sackhoff's character, I wouldn't put too much stock in anything, especially something as public as the EW Last Supper Picture.

Aaron Douglas' comments are worth reading, as he really seems to downplay the importance of the picture and play it up as a publicity piece.

Or does he?

[Orion]

I suggest that you hit the Season 4 rumors sub-forum and check out the recent YouTube copy of Space's preview of S4. It's interesting viewing. Particularly what Thrace has to say about her "resurrection".


There's this interesting featurette:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MDUQ2Vi7KQ

So. Kara's NOT a Cylon.

[Kanarama]

I know they said it's being over-analysed, but...surely he wouldn't make a mistake as big as to say that it's not someone in the picture? I still think Gaeta, maybe? Or Ellen. She had an edge to her, and I think it'd be quite amusing...

[joshbwood]

Hopefully someone can answer this about the Final Five. They obviously weren't a creation before Season 3. In season two Caprica 6 refers to one of the Sharons as an 8. Can anyone explain this and why the Final Five are out of order?

[gillett]

I'm still inclined to think that the final cylon is Zarek for three main reasons

1) It's been said that the cylons are based off of 13 distinct human archetypes, and I can't compare any of the 12 so far to Zarek's unique blend of appeal to populace and ruthlessness.

2) In the episode "A Measure Of Salvation" (Cylon Disease), the new four are completely absent. Zarek also does not appear in the episode. However, the other frontrunner Gaeta is in the room when Simon spills his guts. Everyone else present was in the EW picture, not a Cylon, and therefore immune. If the disease was airborne, it should've affected Gaeta. Now of course, if the disease wasn't airborne, this point is null.

3) Zarek has quite a bit to atone for. Terrorism, subversion, assassination attempts, sewing insurrection, et. al.

I don't think any of the other characters make sense. Either their too small of a role or don't have that mindf*** appeal we love.

[Orion]

I'm still inclined to think that the final cylon is Zarek for three main reasons

1) It's been said that the cylons are based off of 13 distinct human archetypes, and I can't compare any of the 12 so far to Zarek's unique blend of appeal to populace and ruthlessness.

2) In the episode "A Measure Of Salvation" (Cylon Disease), the new four are completely absent. Zarek also does not appear in the episode. However, the other frontrunner Gaeta is in the room when Simon spills his guts. Everyone else present was in the EW picture, not a Cylon, and therefore immune. If the disease was airborne, it should've affected Gaeta. Now of course, if the disease wasn't airborne, this point is null.

3) Zarek has quite a bit to atone for. Terrorism, subversion, assassination attempts, sewing insurrection, et. al.

I don't think any of the other characters make sense. Either their too small of a role or don't have that mindf*** appeal we love.

All that being said, and it makes sense, I'm not sure the writers even think that much about who to turn into a Cylon. They'll pick the character who causes the biggest surprise. Zarek would be fun because of his cross-series turn of coats, from pilot to Cylon:tos-cylon:

[Hett]

The final cylon is Jake the dog. We're all God's creatures in his eyes.

[Aset]

Take a look if you want at the last supper pic as it's posted on the EW site. The various clues hidden in the pic have soem interesting yet cryptic hints included.

[Skyhawk]

You all remember Leoben's words "Adama is a Cylon". Now just wich one :D

[Aset]

Personally I wouldn't hold my breath on anything Leoben says. He also claimed Casey was Starbuck's daugher. He mixes lies with truth to make them seem real, in the end I don't believe anything he says.

[notscottmiller]

To add to the argument for Gaeta, let's not forget that he worked with the resistance composed of Chief, Tigh, and Anders.

It seems significant that three of the four revealed so far worked so closely in direct opposition to the Cylons on New Caprica.

And it could be said that Tory did everything she could to prevent them from colonizing New Caprica in the first place, by rigging the election. (of course, that bit would rely on something close to clairvoyance on her part, although then again, All of this has happened before and will happen again..)

[Mingus]

That's an interesting theory except that Gaeta foiled the throwing of the election.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

That's an interesting theory except that Gaeta foiled the throwing of the election.

In addition, Gaeta supported Baltar until the Cylon Occupation.

[notscottmiller]

Two very good points against gaeta.

On the other hand, I'm sort of just throwing things out there. Judging by the way that the four revealed reacted at the end of season three, it seems entirely likely that none of them have ever consciously made a decision based on their final five-ness, and perhaps it is safe to assume that the final cylon hasn't either. This would leave the door open for any who fits the qualifications: Seeking redemption, around since season one, and not in the EW photo. And probably not dead.

Which still only leaves Gaeta and Zarek, in my mind.

Oh, and Hot Dog. :)

[LSOP]

If it's between Gaeta and Zarek, then I would probably vote for Zarek, because Gaeta, being on the Galactica, would have been hearing the frakking music just like the other four, but he didn't. Maybe we will find out that Zarek was hearing music of his own on whatever ship he was on. Do we know where he was during that time of Crossroads II?

[Orion]

it seems entirely likely that none of them have ever consciously made a decision based on their final five-ness


Yes, because the idea to turn them into Cylons is a spontaneous one. Re-egineering everything that happened according to their Cylonness is no use. It's just that the writers accept the fact that new decisions make earlier events hard to reinterpret.

[The Nubs]

You all remember Leoben's words "Adama is a Cylon". Now just wich one :D


Maybe it's Zack. Maybe he really isn't dead. I don't think this to be true, but just throwing it out there.

Although, here is another theory I will put out there. Obviously the cylons have advanced over time. We have to wonder about the memories of the final five and how they may have been around for x number of years and lived their lives and grown up as children. What if the final five have developed a nano technology and that the final five can be injected and extracted from a hosts. It's just a different form of downloading then the other seven have come up with. That is why they have stayed in the shadows so to speak and there is always one that is watching over the other four so if something happens he can extract and inject into a new host. The when needed can reactivate the other four and take over the host.

[Lestat]

Now, since they cannot be cylons, it HAS to be someone seeking redemption (because that is what the first hybrid said) that is not in the picture.

Lets list all the possibles that can possibly qualify.

The only person I am going to list is Felix Gaeta because I believe he will definitely be the 5th cylon. He is seeking redemption due to the fact that most of the humans believe he betrayed them by serving Baltar


That cannot be since Razor took place before the settlement on New Caprica , also Resistance's leaders Tigh , Anders, Tyrol (all Cylons) Seelix and then all the others must now know that he was the one providing informations , targets and more than that the frequencies to contact the fleet thus allowing Galactica to plan its attack and rescue most of the humans on the ground , he also provided the death list and place of executions and having most of them rescued by the resistance. I don't think he has to seek redemption unless you refer to that dirty little secret Baltar mentioned once.

About Ellen she did what she did in order to help his husband , have him freed and to avoid him an execution, so if she was a hidden cylon aware of what she was , she surely have known that Tigh was a cylon too , so there was no need to save him also if she was actually a cylon agent she has no reason to seek redemption she was doing her job as a cylon

Adama can't be a Cylon, in the miniseries he brought Leoben to the zone most polluted with radiations but they had no effect on him , when the fleet escaped left Doral behind he was soon rescued by the others who were right outside the radiation zone and he was already affected by those ratiations and he was in the inner and safer part of Ragnar whereas Adama stayed a lot more than that.
Also Adama had two sons and we know that the cylons can't have offspring unless with a human in love with them but we also know that Hera is the first born from cylon descent
That also excludes Lee and Zak as well

Helo has had Hera with Athena so he can't be a cylon , Cally is not for the same reason she had a boy from Tyrol

about Kendra Shaw I hope it's her I really love that character ,I'd like have her resurrected.

There are two points to consider about the fifth it must be a main character of course , but the music is not a reason to find out who he (or she is) first of it was a trigger to wake up the dormant cylons , there two reason why the fifth didn't responded to the gathering , he could not or he need not , the first possibility means that he wasn't on Galactica or if he was could not respond like for example Baltar who was in the brig but all the suspects must have been on Galactica , Zarek is the Vice President plus he is Sagittaron and most of them were on Galactica so he should've been with them.
Another reason why the fifth didn't hear the music or did not respond to it is that he is aware of what it is and there was no need to call him too or he was the one who triggered the others and again has no need to respond to it

[Aset]

Adama can't be a Cylon, in the miniseries he brought Leoben to the zone most polluted with radiations but they had no effect on him , when the fleet escaped left Doral behind he was soon rescued by the others who were right outside the radiation zone and he was already affected by those ratiations and he was in the inner and safer part of Ragnar whereas Adama stayed a lot more than that.



Let me preface my response by saying I do not think Adama is the final cylon.

However, by your reasoning, Chief & Tigh could not be either. They were unaffected as well. Yet, we know for sure they ARE cylons. The final five are fundamentally different. What that fundamental difference is, we really don't know yet.

[Lestat]

Tigh stayed onboard Galactica which is heavy shielded against radiations , in fact Boomer herself was unaffected

Tyrol on the other hand was in Ragnar base although not in the worst part of it .

Lee Adama was out patrolling and had no effect

[Thoth]

Well, I am thinking it will be Gaeta anyway. It has been a hot topic for conjecture since the beginning, and he could pull off the reveal. He is a talented actor.

[Leroy Morte]

Don't know if it holds any water, but I had a thought. Could the 12 Cylon models correspond to the 12 gods/Lords of Kobol? If so, and the attributions were lined up correctly, it could be a clue to the final model. I made up a first draft list, anybody else care to offer thoughts or rearrange it?

1.Zeus--M--Brother Cavil
2.Hera--F--Hera/Isis the baby hybrid / President Roslin / Admiral Cain / Kendra Shaw?
3.Athena--F--number 3-D"Anna Biers
4.Ares--M--Tigh-1 of final 5
5.Apollo--M--Anders-1 of final 5
6.Poseidon--M--Chief Tyrol-1 of final 5
7.Artemis--F-Tory Foster-1 of final 5
8.Hades--M--Aaron Doral
9.Aphrodite--F--number 6-Gina/Shelley Godfrey
10.Demeter--F--number 8-Boomer/Athena
11.Hephaestus--M--Simon
12.Hermes--M--Leoben Conoy

[Lestat]

Hera is not one of them there were already 12 cylon models before her birth also why Hera and not the son of Tyrol and Cally they're very much the same

[Ukia25]

Even counting the EW picture, it can still be Baltar. The 6 in the center is "Head Six", the red dress tells us this. The Baltar in the picture is "Head Baltar", the fact that he is without his beard tells us this.

Even if we pretended the EW cover didnt tell us anything. We know that the Commander and President arnt the 5th; it would make no sense for both Tigh and the Commander to be Cylons; same with the President and her Aid, why put two spies next to each other?

Kendra Shaw; I dont think she was intended to be the fifth, but because of her appeal in Razor maybe the writers just want a reason to bring her back.

I have a question about the "Final Five", if they are reborn when they die, what age will they be? Will Tigh come back as an old man, or would be 20?

in keeping with the last four, it might make sense that the lawyer is the Fifth Cylon. Other post have noted that all the cylon's can be compared to the Greek gods. Apollo was the god that invented the trail system. Apollo was also the god of the muses which the lawyer is to Lee. It also seems that the the four put themselves in next to important players. It seems that Romo is putting himself close to Lee.

[Ukia25]

Don't know if it holds any water, but I had a thought. Could the 12 Cylon models correspond to the 12 gods/Lords of Kobol? If so, and the attributions were lined up correctly, it could be a clue to the final model. I made up a first draft list, anybody else care to offer thoughts or rearrange it?

1.Zeus--M--Brother Cavil
2.Hera--F--Hera/Isis the baby hybrid / President Roslin / Admiral Cain / Kendra Shaw?
3.Athena--F--number 3-D"Anna Biers
4.Ares--M--Tigh-1 of final 5
5.Apollo--M--Anders-1 of final 5
6.Poseidon--M--Chief Tyrol-1 of final 5
7.Artemis--F-Tory Foster-1 of final 5
8.Hades--M--Aaron Doral
9.Aphrodite--F--number 6-Gina/Shelley Godfrey
10.Demeter--F--number 8-Boomer/Athena
11.Hephaestus--M--Simon
12.Hermes--M--Leoben Conoy
1.Brother Cavil would be Hades dont you think?
6.Chief Tyrol-1 of final 5 Dont you think the Chief would be Hephaestus?

[Lestat]

Cavil could be Ares it appears to be more violent than the others , remember it was him who wanted to give the human a lesson on New Caprica , asked to line 'em and kill 'em

[Ukia25]

If anyone is Ares "the god of War' its gotta be Tigh, unless he is Poseidon. an another reason Tigh would be Ares is because of the one eye, Odin is said to be a carry over from the greek god of war, and as we all know Odin had but one eye. Cavil isn't war like, he is just cold without emotion, he would fit the got of death.

[Mingus]

Not so sure about Hera...maybe she could be the last Final Five? It would, afterall, fall in line with the whole birth/rebirth theory, left over from Earth. The biggest immediate problem I see with the Hera theory is the Chief's kid, another hybrid. Then again, this would be an entirely different type of hybrid, right?
Either way, I hope they don't go all 4400 with Hera and make her grow up in a couple days.

[suns7474]

Boxey is the Cylon God! At this point it wouldn't surprise me :) I love all of these theories because one of them HAS to be true or yet again it could be something totally out of the blue that no one expects

[Lestat]

such as Racetrack being the final one?

[timbo]

Forget all the hype and posters and stuff. when the final revelations come, we may not even care who is really a cylon. Check out the "brave enough" thread. Somehow , I think we are all barking up the wrong tree. To quote another seeker of the truth "their staff is too long, they are digging in the wrong place."

[manishmotwani]

It has to be Roslin and she knows it too, I think. A few reasons:

1. She does a telepathy session with 2.5 cylons (6, athena and her daughter). Only cylons can meet and talk like that, not humans, no matter what drugs they're taking.

2. When at the nebula, it's because Admiral Adama convinces Laura Roslin that he's going to nuke the entire planet that the Cylons decide to take their ships back. Laura must be communicating back with Cylons to tell them whether the Admiral is bluffing or not.

I know, I know, she's in the poster, but come on....

[crood]

Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders were all part of Zarek's "jury" to punish New Caprica collaborators. Could that be somewhere worth looking. Seelix was also on the jury and she rose in importance from deckhand to Viper pilot.

[Jason1975]

Forget all the hype and posters and stuff. when the final revelations come, we may not even care who is really a cylon. Check out the "brave enough" thread. Somehow , I think we are all barking up the wrong tree. To quote another seeker of the truth "their staff is too long, they are digging in the wrong place."

I totally agree.

[manishmotwani]

I forgot to add point 3:

3. Roselin also wants to protect the "god's new generation", Athena and Helo's child, and considers protecting her more important than protecting hundreds of humans. We saw this when escaping from New Caprica. This is a cylon behavior, because as can be seen from other episodes, cylons want to interbreed with humans (The Farm) and Number 6 and Tory have been seen to want to protect these half human half cylons. Tory even killed Cally in order to protect her child.

I think after they reveal the last cylon (whether it's Roselin or not) they'll want to show that humans are the ones that are evil and not cylons. They'll show the cylon point of view (since most of the important characters turned out to be cylons) and how they're more superior and how humans should die =)

[crood]

I think it's pretty clear that they've been showing there's good and bad on both sides.

[Mishakal]

Actually, Aset, Aaron Douglas seems to have shot down the significance of that picture down more than a few pegs.

http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/55289.html

I think the picture is merely clever PR meant to stir up interest in the show and not to be analyzed and dissected as it has been.

Well it is early in the season but so far things are lining up with the symbolism of the picture very nicely.

Examples include: *Sam still in love with Kara but she is trying to push him back.

*Bill Adama being in love with Laura but keeping a respectful distance

*Lee in civilian clothes and going into politics

*Virtual Six spreading the teachings of the One God, using Gaius Baltar as a foil

*The new six, Natalie accusing others of tyranny but doing some questionable things herself

I think that Aaron may be trying to mislead us when it comes to the photo, or perhaps they did different versions of the photo to throw off the actors to it's significance.

[Catrope]

It has to be Roslin and she knows it too, I think. A few reasons:

1. She does a telepathy session with 2.5 cylons (6, athena and her daughter). Only cylons can meet and talk like that, not humans, no matter what drugs they're taking.

2. When at the nebula, it's because Admiral Adama convinces Laura Roslin that he's going to nuke the entire planet that the Cylons decide to take their ships back. Laura must be communicating back with Cylons to tell them whether the Admiral is bluffing or not.

I know, I know, she's in the poster, but come on....
RDM has said that the two people he didn't want to be Cylons are Adama and Roslin.

[Leoben]

So you trust RDM's comments about the image, someone who loves misdirecting you, over Aaron's?

None of the things, with the exception of Natalia are mutually exclusive to season 4. Virtual six has been spreading doctrine for a long time, we're going to see Baltar start spewing it soon enough. I really do think the image is just good PR fodder.

[ShadowEnigma]

I can't see Roslin or Adama as the final Cylon. I just don't see how it would flow into the story.

[Shodan]

I've read a transcript of an interview with several cast members, and in that interview both William Adama and Laura Roslin (the actors who play the characters) said that they aren't cylons, because it's in their contract, since the mini-series. I don't know if other cast members have a similar clause on their contracts.

[ShadowEnigma]

It's in their contracts? Now that's an interesting thing to have in a contract.

[timbo]

I think the real final five are : Gaeta, Dualla, Doc Cottle, Billy and the last is Helo. Five rock solid characters who between them have saved individuals, whole ships and even the fleet on many occasions. I think they were placed in the fleet to guide and protect. Billy will be the first cylon president one day.

[ShadowEnigma]

What about Tigh, Tory, Tyrol and Anders? What do you think about them? RDM did state they are Cylons.

[dually681]

ok have you all forgotten what Lucy Lawless said in the room with the whited out figures with all of the final five? "she said I am so sorry!"
so it must have been someone she had personally interacted up until that time. Period!
just my 5 cents.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

ok have you all forgotten what Lucy Lawless said in the room with the whited out figures with all of the final five? "she said I am so sorry!"
so it must have been someone she had personally interacted up until that time. Period!
just my 5 cents.Hi there! Welcome the forums!

To answer your question, she was more than likely talking to Sam Anders. The D'Anna that's in the temple is the same D'Anna wanting to box Caprica and Boomer in Season 2's "Downloaded". (She's not the D'Anna from "Final Cut".)

It is this D'Anna that almost kills Anders, before Caprica crushers her head in with a rock. So she's apologizing to Anders.

Of course, this doesn't factor in the Last Cylon, whoever that may be.

[Dzonatas]

There is also Novachek, which 3 had locked in a cage.

[fr33lancer]

RDM's Star Trek/galactica reveal..... "Damn it Bill I'm I doctor not a machine. Er..well ...I'm both....

[Leoben]

Hi there! Welcome the forums!

To answer your question, she was more than likely talking to Sam Anders. The D'Anna that's in the temple is the same D'Anna wanting to box Caprica and Boomer in Season 2's "Downloaded". (She's not the D'Anna from "Final Cut".)

It is this D'Anna that almost kills Anders, before Caprica crushers her head in with a rock. So she's apologizing to Anders.

Of course, this doesn't factor in the Last Cylon, whoever that may be.

I'm still of the opinion that the apology is more directed toward our unknown member. Her kicking Anders (once) in the head doesn't really seem to warrant the...magnitude conveyed in her apology. We'll find out though when they dust her off I suppose.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

I'm still of the opinion that the apology is more directed toward our unknown member. Her kicking Anders (once) in the head doesn't really seem to warrant the...magnitude conveyed in her apology. We'll find out though when they dust her off I suppose.

As I said, maybe that's the case.

However, she did more than merely kick Anders. She was about to kill him.

I'm curious as to whether or not Temple D'Anna will share her memories of the temple experience to the other Threes, or if such information is not transferrable.

[crood]

I believe the apology was toward the 12th Cylon. However, I'm thinking the apology was not about anything D'Anna did to him/her during the show, nor do I believe it to be a generic apology for trying to exterminate humanity.

I think it goes back to whatever split the Cylons and caused the SS's memories to be wiped. I'm guessing D'Anna's revelation unlocked her memories and she remembered everything about the FF and the division. She apologized for standing against the FF and siding with the SS. Perhaps the Three's were a swing vote in the events that led to the FF leaving the rest of the Cylons.

Of course, I have no idea how this all relates to a 4000 year old temple.

[Grim_Reapster]

Hi there! Welcome the forums!

To answer your question, she was more than likely talking to Sam Anders. The D'Anna that's in the temple is the same D'Anna wanting to box Caprica and Boomer in Season 2's "Downloaded". (She's not the D'Anna from "Final Cut".)

It is this D'Anna that almost kills Anders, before Caprica crushers her head in with a rock. So she's apologizing to Anders.

Of course, this doesn't factor in the Last Cylon, whoever that may be.

OK forgive my ignorance, which is admittedly vast, but how do you know that the temple D'Anna is the one from Caprica and not the one from "Final Cut"?

Maybe I've missed something, which is entirely possible since I only recently got hooked on BSG, but I assumed that the only Cylons that use names amongst themselves are the ones that have spent time amongst the humans. Such as Sharon, Cavil, and Leoben. Don't the Cylons usually refer to each other by their number?

Why would the Cylons refer to the number three from the temple as D'Anna, if she wasn't the one that was hiding in the fleet under that name?

Because if she were the one from "Final Cut", her apology to the member of the FF in the temple may have been to Colonel Tigh. He was originally the focus of her smear campaign in that episode.

And they did rip out his eye....;)

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

The D'Anna that we see on New Caprica, who is having the dreams and believes Hera's actually alive, is noted as being the D'Anna that Caprica Six bludgeoned to death with a rock on the colony of Caprica in "Downloaded". So she's "Downloaded" D'Anna, not "Final Cut"/Newswoman D'Anna.

This same D'Anna and Caprica Six communicate to Gaius Baltar after bringing him aboard the basestar, and is the one that Baltar and Six have a relationship with throughout the "Emo Cylon" arc.

As for the Cylons being called by their human names, the humans (and even the Cylons) refer to each other as the "Cavils" or the "Dorals" or "Leobens", which only adds to the confusion a bit.

No one knows what happened to "Final Cut" D'Anna, and she seems to have served her purpose in the story.

Hope I didn't confuse anyone. :lol:

[Grim_Reapster]

Ok thanks Joe. I'll take your word for it....:thumbsup:

As I said, I just recently jumped on the BSG band wagon.

But as for the final Cylon, my first thought was Laura Roslin. The Cylons are somewhat hung up on human concepts like "God", and "Religion". It makes sense that they might try to make the scriptures come true by actually creating the "Dying Leader" to lead humanity (and the Cylons with them) to Earth.

But since we now know that it's not one of the people in the Last Supper photo, I'm leaning towards Ellen Tigh. Her sudden appearance in the fleet always seemed suspicious.

And the woman was clearly evil...:D

But seriously, imagine the emotional impact on the colonel if his wife (who he himself killed) comes back from the dead. So far he seems to be having more trouble dealing with his guilt over killing her, then dealing with the fact that he's a skin-job.

Though in the episode where they killed off Cally, I kept expecting to see her wake up in a vat of goo on a Cylon resurrection ship.

Thank God I was wrong....:lol:

[mariarilke]

I still firmly think that the final Cylon is (or at least should) be someone we have'nt seen before. Why? I don't know. I guess the turning one another character into cylon surprise just seems too cheap a move for me. I mean, they done that before. I think the final cylon's on earth already.