What will come 1st?

[xplanet2112]

So I was thinking about the protected timeline and wondered what ships will be created 1st, Basestars or Battlestars?

I'm thinking that it's basestars because the Cylons are an AI army created by man so they'll need their space craft then erm ... So after a few basestars have kicked some arse the colonies create the Battlestars! We'll have to see a brand spanking new Galactica at some point.. wont we?:confused?:

Thoughts? (other than I think about this tooooo much :p )

[Prolescum]

I reckon the basestars were created by the Cylons later on, personally.

It's unlikely that they are of Colonial design, anyway - they're supposed to be alien. Humans have a tendency to create phallic ships as a rule.

[Swift]

Basestars are surely Cylon because they're organic, and humans built strictly metal machine Cylons.

[xplanet2112]

I reckon the basestars were created by the Cylons later on, personally.

It's unlikely that they are of Colonial design, anyway - they're supposed to be alien. Humans have a tendency to create phallic ships as a rule.

:lol: ... Yeah Star Distroyers and Klingon Warbirds being my other favourite designs!

Then perhaps Battlestars do come first.... :blush: ... Perhaps they were made for both Cylon and Humans at first and when the Cylons rebeled they went off somewhere and then came back with the Basestars. The type that was seen in Razor rather than the Organic double boomerang type.

Alot's got to happen in 6 years on this show... I pray to the Gods that it's not pulled because of some reason or another... It would be the biggest travisty since Firefly was pulled.

[Prolescum]

I wouldn't go that far...

[hellkiller1234]

I don't think so... They have their Battleship way before Cylon was created. Even though it do not show in Caprica. But still, if there were no battlestar then how the heck the colonials can start off their own war?

They fight with ICBM flying around the Star system??

[ShadowEnigma]

They could have smaller ships waging battles right now, if there are any battles going on. Just because Battlestars weren't created yet, doesn't mean they can't have some sort of warship. They had warships in World War I, but doesn't stop the fact that Carriers came to prominence in World War II as a strong power. So probably not the best analogy, but I hope I make my point.

The creation of the Battlestar could just be the pinnacle of their technology, their call to fame, their turn for space superiority. If it's thought of this way, it might be interesting to see what kinds of ships they use before the Battlestars are built.

[Prolescum]

I don't think so... They have their Battleship way before Cylon was created. Even though it do not show in Caprica. But still, if there were no battlestar then how the heck the colonials can start off their own war?

They fight with ICBM flying around the Star system??
I think you're confused. The battlestars were created to fight the Cylons, although they almost certainly do have other types of ship with which to kill each other aimlessly.

[ShadowEnigma]

Aimlessly? Comon! They do it for the explicit purpose to prove their peaceful ideals!

[RedWold]

Well some of the Colonial worlds should have their own warships. For all we know the Berzerk , a support ship with a single pod, is a precurssor to the Battlestar. Also from nBSG it is said that the Adriatic can be armed with missiles.

Given the similar terminologies and Caprica likely manufacturing Cylons first , I think Caprica is behind both Basestar and Battlestar concepts.

Basestar as the term suggests it is a mobile base not a carrier/battleship hybrid like the Battlestar.

Razor has shown the old Basestars as either a planet defense platform or a occupation force.

[Laukik]

I've had my own hap-hazard theories on that subject, and its one I've discussed with a friend at college repeatedly. He feels that 58 years before the fall of the colonies is not long enough for the Cylons to be created, rebel, fight, go into exile, build new forces and come back. With 40 of those years a hiatis of sorts that leaves only 18 years for Caprica and the First Cylon War to take place in. Only 18 years for Basestars and Battlestars to be built in, and on top of that multiples of both designs!

I would personally theorise that with tentions between Tauron and Caprica running so high already there will be a war between them during the show. This would catipult Cylon design from a neat experiment into a full scale fighting force and yes, Basestars might have originally been built as fighting platforms for Caprican Cy.L.N forces against Tauron.
Now,

[Ashina]

Basestars are surely Cylon because they're organic, and humans built strictly metal machine Cylons.

The newer Basestars might be, but this is before the first Cylon war, when Cylons have very negligible organic technology. When the new basestars emerged for the second Cylon attack in the BSG show, alot of people were surprised that their ships were organic, Raiders along with Basestars.


But yeah, I think the basestars will come first, since the Battlestars were created in response to the Cylons during the first Cylon war.

[ShadowEnigma]

I've had my own hap-hazard theories on that subject, and its one I've discussed with a friend at college repeatedly. He feels that 58 years before the fall of the colonies is not long enough for the Cylons to be created, rebel, fight, go into exile, build new forces and come back. With 40 of those years a hiatis of sorts that leaves only 18 years for Caprica and the First Cylon War to take place in. Only 18 years for Basestars and Battlestars to be built in, and on top of that multiples of both designs!

Why does he think it would not be enough time for the events to take place?

[xplanet2112]

If, as theorised in other discussions, Dan Greystone is the first Hybrid then where does that leave the possibility of Basestars coming first? This, I believe is a story thred/arc that could be important in the show as a whole. Perhaps he does this to be closer to the Zoe avatar.

Battlestars created to fight the Cylons during the first Cylon War seems a logical entry point for them regardless of what warships they might have prior to the Battlestar's creation. And at first, there’s one Battlestar for each of the 12 colonies. However I think that a Caprica/Turaun war will play a big part too.

[thevarrior]

I don't think it's going to be a war against Tauron. It's a rival planet in terms of technology and they have a mafia - that's like the US going to war against Italy or Germany for christ's sake. It'd be more likely the planet housing the Soldiers of The One, in my opinion, which I believe they said was Gemenon, but I can't recall for sure.

[ShadowEnigma]

Gemenon does seem to be the place for the Soldiers of the One. Though I can't tell if Gemenon condones Soldiers of the One or if they simply are there. Whether or not they support them or not could make a difference to how Caprica deals with Soldiers of the One if they pursue them off planet.

Speaking of off planet, has their been any mention to how laws work between planets? Could Caprica go after people on Gemenon if they thought they were part of the bombing? Could be an interesting dynamic if they struggle with laws and sending forces, possibly a Cylon army?

[RedWold]

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Speaking of off planet, has their been any mention to how laws work between planets? Could Caprica go after people on Gemenon if they thought they were part of the bombing? Could be an interesting dynamic if they struggle with laws and sending forces, possibly a Cylon army?

There is a Intercolonial Court mentioned. Now this presunably on Libran as Courts were the featured trait of this planet during The Plan.

[Neakal]

There is a Intercolonial Court mentioned. Now this presunably on Libran as Courts were the featured trait of this planet during The Plan.

Pretty much this. I mentioned elsewhere that its possibly similar to our ICC. Its not hard to imagine they have something akin to our Interpol as well.

Gemenon strikes me as an odd place for STO though. From all we saw it BSG, Gemonese are religious but they are very staunch polytheists. Doesn't it seem odd that STO would make home in what is essentially the heartland of the polytheist Colonial religion?

[Ashina]

It does seem really weird to me. I can't see the one god being approved of anywhere in the colonies, most especially on Gemenon which is supposed to be the seat of their religion, with the naturally windswept Faces of Kobol, and the Kobol College.

The only way I can make any sense of it, is if the religion of the one god starts from an interpretation of the Sacred Scrolls. This would also lend some credibility to the idea that the one god actually used to be one of the lords of Kobol, who was banished from among them when it tried to have the other lords of Kobol worship it as well.

[Prolescum]

It does seem really weird to me. I can't see the one god being approved of anywhere in the colonies, most especially on Gemenon which is supposed to be the seat of their religion, with the naturally windswept Faces of Kobol, and the Kobol College.

The only way I can make any sense of it, is if the religion of the one god starts from an interpretation of the Sacred Scrolls. This would also lend some credibility to the idea that the one god actually used to be one of the lords of Kobol, who was banished from among them when it tried to have the other lords of Kobol worship it as well.

If you read the final five comics, you wouldn't say that...

[Ashina]

plan to read them as soon as i finish origins actually lol. but even still, the comics aren't very highly regarded as cannon from what I've seen.

I did think the whole 'renegade lord of kobol becoming the 'one' god' was a pretty interesting concept though for the series. =^.^=

[Prolescum]

plan to read them as soon as i finish origins actually lol. but even still, the comics aren't very highly regarded as cannon from what I've seen.

You've been looking in the wrong places... ;)
BSG makes no sense without them, and even then it still struggles to coalesce into a fully coherent tale.

I did think the whole 'renegade lord of kobol becoming the 'one' god' was a pretty interesting concept though for the series. =^.^=Ah, but the renegade LoK was Aurora - no doubts about that.

[Neakal]

You've been looking in the wrong places... ;)
BSG makes no sense without them, and even then it still struggles to coalesce into a fully coherent tale.

Ah, but the renegade LoK was Aurora - no doubts about that.

I'm inclined to disagree. The Aurora explanation was ok but I did not really agree with the rest of the comics. It strikes me as stange that only two generations of the Thirteenth Tribe lived on Earth and I really didn't agree the shoehorning of Cavil into the story (as a villain nevertheless). So Ellen? At which stage did you forget that your father was responsible for the Holocaust on Earth?

Not to mention it doesn't fit Anders' efforts to warn the Colonials about Centurions. If Papa Cavil was responsible for riling them up in the first place, whats the point? Hell, that would put Earth squarely out of the cycle in the first place. Same goes with the Thirteenth Tribe being augmented humans and not Cylons.

Of course if it was up to me, the holocaust on Earth wouldn't have happened 2000 years ago in the first place. That was just stupid and implausible.

[Prolescum]

You've been looking in the wrong places... ;)
BSG makes no sense without them, and even then it still struggles to coalesce into a fully coherent tale.

Ah, but the renegade LoK was Aurora - no doubts about that.

I'm inclined to disagree. The Aurora explanation was ok but I did not really agree with the rest of the comics. It strikes me as stange that only two generations of the Thirteenth Tribe lived on Earth and I really didn't agree the shoehorning of Cavil into the story (as a villain nevertheless). So Ellen? At which stage did you forget that your father was responsible for the Holocaust on Earth?


Well tbh, two generations makes sense to me - they'd been travelling (relativistic speeds lol) for around 4 months (decades by Kobol standards) when they reached the algae planet, they were already augmented so healthier (I know, I'm reaching...), fitter and longer lived. I guess they built the Earth 1 cities pretty quickly, though.

Not to mention it doesn't fit Anders' efforts to warn the Colonials about Centurions. If Papa Cavil was responsible for riling them up in the first place, whats the point?

Not sure I remember that bit. I shall have to read them again, but I've not really got time 'til next week.

Hell, that would put Earth squarely out of the cycle in the first place. Same goes with the Thirteenth Tribe being augmented humans and not Cylons.

Hmm.

Of course if it was up to me, the holocaust on Earth wouldn't have happened 2000 years ago in the first place. That was just stupid and implausible.

Well it goes without saying that the writers made a bit of a mess toward the end. :thumbsup:

[thevarrior]

Well tbh, two generations makes sense to me - they'd been travelling (relativistic speeds lol) for around 4 months (decades by Kobol standards) when they reached the algae planet, they were already augmented so healthier (I know, I'm reaching...), fitter and longer lived. I guess they built the Earth 1 cities pretty quickly, though.


Hah, reminds me of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Seven years out of oppression of the Beastmen, and the humans manage to build a technologically thriving civilization. Good anime series, if anyone's interested.

[Neakal]

Well tbh, two generations makes sense to me - they'd been travelling (relativistic speeds lol) for around 4 months (decades by Kobol standards) when they reached the algae planet, they were already augmented so healthier (I know, I'm reaching...), fitter and longer lived. I guess they built the Earth 1 cities pretty quickly, though.

Argh. Don't tell me about the whole "relativistic speeds" mess. How hard is it to just say "We had bad FTL. Just kept ressurecting till we reached Earth (and later, the Colonies)". There!


Not sure I remember that bit. I shall have to read them again, but I've not really got time 'til next week.

Best do that. Most of my knowledge of the comics comes from summaries so I may have missed something. That said, I know Cavil is part of the story and that alone is a spot of bother.

Well it goes without saying that the writers made a bit of a mess toward the end. :thumbsup:

Yeah. Totally. Just to keep in record I don't wholly discount the Comics. I think the Aurora explanation was good (and well needed in light of the whole Starbuck thing) but I'm just keener to take the series' explanation on things where comics and the show conflict.

[Palpat]

. Though I can't tell if Gemenon condones Soldiers of the One or if they simply are there. Whether or not they support them or not could make a difference to how Caprica deals with Soldiers of the One if they pursue them off planet.?
If in Caprica such nonsenses are showed, I won't watch it. Just inconsistent:
- Gemenon was stated several time as a pious world with pious People (Corporal Venner and the other one, the Gemenese representative in the Quorum), and every time they are following the colonial religion.
- If Gemenon supports the STO, monotheism should be by far more widespread that what we saw in BSG. A very notable proportion of Gemenon would have converted or whatever. And in regular BSG, nobody have heard of monotheism at first. Well, after several decade and two wars of annihilation, I bet they have other things to think of but some gods-forgotten handfull of cultists


So my guess is Gemenon is the place were STO have some base or training camp or whatever because Gemenon perhaps lacks the home security abilities of Caprica. Sort of Failed colony or weaker colony like our terrorists safe haven in Pakistan or whatever. Gemenon government would like to kick them, but lacks the funding/ability to find them or whatever.

[Neakal]

Well, Serge may reconcile the Gemenon-STO inconsistency: Basically he states Monotheism (and STO - they are separate things) originated in Gemenon as a reaction to the overly conservative/staunch polytheism that flavours the Gemenon culture. They are tolerated but barely. And STO is most likely illegal there too.

[Palpat]

What bothers me is that 40 years later, eveybody (save Adama in Ragnar) seems to have forgotten about STO and monotheism... I can understand this only if monotheism is limited to an handfull of cultists or excentrics. Like our people worshipping UFO or whatever. You know, kinda "Heaven's Gate".

[RedWold]

Well, Serge may reconcile the Gemenon-STO inconsistency: Basically he states Monotheism (and STO - they are separate things) originated in Gemenon as a reaction to the overly conservative/staunch polytheism that flavours the Gemenon culture. They are tolerated but barely. And STO is most likely illegal there too.

We know that Mithraism is tolerated. Now that is pretty close to a monotheistic religion but there are differences enough that Colonials do not confuse the two.

[SD70MAC]

Yeah. Totally. Just to keep in record I don't wholly discount the Comics. I think the Aurora explanation was good (and well needed in light of the whole Starbuck thing) but I'm just keener to take the series' explanation on things where comics and the show conflict.
Agreed. The comics are great (most of 'em, anyway), but they're non-canon. I enjoy the hell out of them, but must grudgingly defer to the show at the end of the day.

Back OT...I think basestars will come first, as they may be mobile Cylon factories.

[ShadowEnigma]

Agreed. The comics are great (most of 'em, anyway), but they're non-canon. I enjoy the hell out of them, but must grudgingly defer to the show at the end of the day.

Back OT...I think basestars will come first, as they may be mobile Cylon factories.

In keeping with that, it would not surprise me if Greystone Industries makes the first basestar. Think, if they create the Cylons for military purposes, they will need a way to transport them from colony to colony, or from part of the world to another. What better way then to create a basestar that could manage the Cylons under its control, and transport, and possibly repair those that are damaged. Military Brass will be drooling over that.

[Laukik]

I don't think it's going to be a war against Tauron. It's a rival planet in terms of technology and they have a mafia - that's like the US going to war against Italy or Germany for christ's sake. It'd be more likely the planet housing the Soldiers of The One, in my opinion, which I believe they said was Gemenon, but I can't recall for sure.

I like your theory. Even in BSG we see more tension between Capricans and Gemonese than anyone else. The only mention of Taurons as antagonists is from Adama when he explains the events that lead to Bulldog's capture and his loss of command of Battlestar Valkyrie.
And we have seen at least some form of warship in the shape of a derigible (blimp) that can launch atmospheric fighters that from the glimpse I got look like really early Vipers. (the concept of airships launching fighters instead of aircraft carriers is a concept as old as WWI)

And my friend believes 18 years is not long enough because he just doesn't see technology advancing that quickly. I did some more thinking on it and it occurs to me that by the time of the events in Caprica the 12 Colonies are already 3,000 years old, (The Scrolls of Pythia were 3,600 years old by the time of Galactica's Exodus), it stands to reason technology makes a revolutionary leap forward about once every year or so, versus every five years today, and ten years thirty years ago.

[hellkiller1234]

In keeping with that, it would not surprise me if Greystone Industries makes the first basestar. Think, if they create the Cylons for military purposes, they will need a way to transport them from colony to colony, or from part of the world to another. What better way then to create a basestar that could manage the Cylons under its control, and transport, and possibly repair those that are damaged. Military Brass will be drooling over that.



I agree with you.

[DigificWriter]

The Final Five comics are an interesting 'animal' in that, although Jane Espenson has said that they have relevance to the canon of BSG, there are certain details contained within them that are completely incompatible with regards to what that canon - specifically "No Exit" - actually says. However, something occurred to me that hadn't before, which is that, by introducing the STO (or at least Clarice and her marital partners)'s interest in obtaining some form of immortality through the use of Zoe's avatar, the writers did in fact incorporate one of the 'mythos elements' from the FF comics into Caprica's mythos and storyline.

[SD70MAC]

Well, keep in mind that the "infinity sign" of the STO already showed up in BSG, during the funeral in "Islanded in a Stream of Stars." (The Cylons traced the symbol over their chests, much like how people now make the sign of the cross.)

[Prolescum]

Well, keep in mind that the "infinity sign" of the STO already showed up in BSG, during the funeral in "Islanded in a Stream of Stars." (The Cylons traced the symbol over their chests, much like how people now make the sign of the cross.)
Good spot, sir!

[Hofner1962]

Excellent spot L+ - Kudos (and rep) for that


(Wow, I think that is the first rep that I have given that is not for a joke in a very, very long time.)

[weedkiller]

That would be a great connection between the shows.

You should hit Prole up for some extra karma for that spot.

[thevarrior]

I like your theory. Even in BSG we see more tension between Capricans and Gemonese than anyone else. The only mention of Taurons as antagonists is from Adama when he explains the events that lead to Bulldog's capture and his loss of command of Battlestar Valkyrie.
And we have seen at least some form of warship in the shape of a derigible (blimp) that can launch atmospheric fighters that from the glimpse I got look like really early Vipers. (the concept of airships launching fighters instead of aircraft carriers is a concept as old as WWI)

And my friend believes 18 years is not long enough because he just doesn't see technology advancing that quickly. I did some more thinking on it and it occurs to me that by the time of the events in Caprica the 12 Colonies are already 3,000 years old, (The Scrolls of Pythia were 3,600 years old by the time of Galactica's Exodus), it stands to reason technology makes a revolutionary leap forward about once every year or so, versus every five years today, and ten years thirty years ago.

Yeah, and one of the previews for the new episode shows F-16-esque fighters with somewhat odd shaped wings and calls them "Vipers".

[xplanet2112]

In keeping with that, it would not surprise me if Greystone Industries makes the first basestar. Think, if they create the Cylons for military purposes, they will need a way to transport them from colony to colony, or from part of the world to another. What better way then to create a basestar that could manage the Cylons under its control, and transport, and possibly repair those that are damaged. Military Brass will be drooling over that.

Well put! This was the feeling I got that made me start this thred... you just articulated it better!:thumbsup: I think that the Cylons will start kicking arse in their Basestars when they turn all evil so the humans have to counter with something.. Battlestars! I'm seeing, in the future of this show, the lunch of the Galactica!! :)

@ Thevarrior, seeing some F-16 type vipers is something to look foward to!

[ShadowEnigma]

Mmm the lunch of Galactica. Quite a tasty lunch too :p

[weedkiller]

Kinda makes me wonder why Galactica was the last of the colonial battlestars to be decommisioned. If she is one of the first made and we see her in Caprica, then why would she be the last to be mothballed/museum? Unless she was the most decorated during the first cylon war and they kept her around for nostolgia reasons, but that wasn't mentioned in BSG.

[ShadowEnigma]

The first one is usually special, and it might have been decorated. It might have been the only one to survive without major damage. Who really knows? I doubt that's something they will answer.

[xplanet2112]

Mmm the lunch of Galactica. Quite a tasty lunch too :p

My crap spelling and many beers have got me into trouble in the past! And all that has happened will happen again!!

Galactica Lunch or Monster Munch?!

[RedWold]

Kinda makes me wonder why Galactica was the last of the colonial battlestars to be decommisioned. If she is one of the first made and we see her in Caprica, then why would she be the last to be mothballed/museum? Unless she was the most decorated during the first cylon war and they kept her around for nostolgia reasons, but that wasn't mentioned in BSG.

I beleive of the initial twelve battlestars Galactica represented Caprica. Also she is the last surviving battlestar that did not get any network upgrades in all her years in the Colonial Fleet.

Oh it should be noted Caprica calls their atmospheric fighters Vipers.

[Dwyn2435]

I'm still sticking to my theory that Basestars are of colonial design, possibly derived from orbital bombardment space stations, or space staging platforms. (Think larger scale space stations with hangars combined with Ronald Regan's "SDI" nuke launching satellites. )

As for the Battlestar, clearly they are inspired by the dirigibles seen thus far.

[ShadowEnigma]

As for the Battlestar, clearly they are inspired by the dirigibles seen thus far.

Which I have to admit, if true, only makes Battlestars that much more awesome.

[hellkiller1234]

I think before battlestar arrive to sever the Colonial fleet. There is something called the Warstar. I remember reading this somewhere?

[Prolescum]

It's a fan-made ship as far as I know

http://www.shipschematics.net/bsg/images/colonial/warstar_helios.jpg

http://www.shipschematics.net/bsg/images/colonial/warstar_carlson.jpg




hence the reason it looks like a retarded mutant battlestar.

[Hofner1962]

hence the reason it looks like a retarded mutant battlestar.

I think it looks like a retarded mutant lobster

[hellkiller1234]

hence the reason it looks like a retarded mutant battlestar.


So anyone have any idea what is before battlestar?

[ShadowEnigma]

Maybe nothing. There doesn't have to necessarily be anything before the concept of a Battlestar. I'm sure they have military ships, but nothing near the power of a battlestar at this point. Remember the Battlestars are huge, or at least they make it out to be. I mean, they build the original ones which represent the colonies. You don't make something reprensent the colony like that unless its fracking huge and powerful compared to everything else.

[RedWold]

I think before battlestar arrive to sever the Colonial fleet. There is something called the Warstar. I remember reading this somewhere?


I think you've read Ash's nBSG x SG-1 fanfic that set the standard for fanfic writers how to villify the Colonials.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3546854/1/Reunions_are_a_Bitch

[hellkiller1234]

I think you've read Ash's nBSG x SG-1 fanfic that set the standard for fanfic writers how to villify the Colonials.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3546854/1/Reunions_are_a_Bitch


No. I don't think so. I remember that the warstar is actually the model of TOS Ships in RDM. And the new ships is call battlestar.

[ShadowEnigma]

No. I don't think so. I remember that the warstar is actually the model of TOS Ships in RDM. And the new ships is call battlestar.

Actually the model of TOS ships? What do you mean?

There was the defender in RDM that was that weird looking but interesting ship. Or at least I thought I remember seeing it in the show at somepoint? I know someone made it and it looked sweet. It had the one pod slung underneath.

[Prolescum]

Hellkiller, find the episode and take a screen cap. I'm pretty sure it's just a fan wank. Our very own wiki says nothing on the topic, so the chances of it being genuine are slim.

[scotland31282]

we wont see a brand new battlestars well not until season 58 lol

[jms]

Just seconding that notion that a war against Gemenon proper would be silly. A "police" action, or a hunt against terror bases on the planet would make sense. But I don't think the story has been inconsistent thus far. Zoe or Lacey never said that the goverment, or the masses of the planet would help them. "Gemenon" doesn't support the STO. All we know is that there is somewhere on Gemenon that it is okay to be monotheistic. There are entire Muslim communities in the United States, but you wouldn't say that the US "supports" Islam.
monotheism should be by far more widespread that what we saw in BSG. Not after evil monotheistic robots slaughter millons in service to their one god. I'd bet that monotheism became a lot less popular, but did not disappear, in the 40 years after the war.
And in regular BSG, nobody have heard of monotheism at first. Not true. One delegate to the Quroum stated that Roslin's crackdown on Baltar's people is unacceptable in part because their beliefs were not unlike the monothesitic faiths that existed among her colony.

[SD70MAC]

"Gemenon" doesn't support the STO. All we know is that there is somewhere on Gemenon that it is okay to be monotheistic.
Funny you should mention that. Check out Serge's latest batch of tweets:

@MightyGaz: As well as being one of the most religious, is Gemenon tolerant of other religious briefs?

@SergeGraystone: This is true, ironically.

@Aigle75: ...Pirates? People raiding other ships?

@SergeGraystone: This happens on Gemenon as part of growing religious tension. Tolerance is fraying.

@SergeGraystone: Gemenon houses a complex dynamic. Home to devout polytheists who established policies of tolerance, now center of monotheist movement, too. Viewed by diverse groups as a kind of blessed colony, it struggles, and often fails, to keep the peace between groups.

@rance: Are there monotheists unaffiliated with STO?

@SergeGraystone: Yes, Ben, many. The church claims to have severed its link to the STO, in fact.

[RedWold]

I think the problem during the nBSG era is that Caprica is the dominant Colony. Its government tend to favor polytheists. The united Colonies is not exactly the secular state we are familiar with.

Not after evil monotheistic robots slaughter millons in service to their one god. I'd bet that monotheism became a lot less popular, but did not disappear, in the 40 years after the war.

That became a revelation after the Skinjobs toasted the Colonies.

[Prolescum]

And in regular BSG, nobody have heard of monotheism at first. Not true. One delegate to the Quroum stated that Roslin's crackdown on Baltar's people is unacceptable in part because their beliefs were not unlike the monothesitic faiths that existed among her colony.. Which was near the End of the show.

[The Bandsaw Vigilante]

Just seconding that notion that a war against Gemenon proper would be silly. A "police" action, or a hunt against terror bases on the planet would make sense. But I don't think the story has been inconsistent thus far. Zoe or Lacey never said that the goverment, or the masses of the planet would help them. "Gemenon" doesn't support the STO. All we know is that there is somewhere on Gemenon that it is okay to be monotheistic. There are entire Muslim communities in the United States, but you wouldn't say that the US "supports" Islam.
Was it somewhere on these boards that I read a theory that the big reason the Caprican government wants 100,000 new robotic soldiers is to wage a military campaign against some of the other colonies?

If that's true, then Gemenon would be the perfect first target, due to (A) being Caprica's own nearby sister-world, and (B) potentially "sheltering" (or drawing accusations of sheltering) the newly-uprisen STO movement, and being tolerant of monotheists in general...a nice "Taliban/Afghanistan/Al Qaeda" metaphor.


Which was near the End of the show.
True, but there's also the fact that the Gemonese still pretty much tolerated such beliefs decades (or even centuries) before the bombs actually fell. In the early seasons of BSG, they were certainly conservative on a lot of different issues, but I never really had much of a problem with this statement from that one delegate.