Angst Filled Hormonal Teens become the Cylons, Interesting

[JohnMatZ]

Wow, This is an interesting twist. The ORIGINAL cylon is a teen girl. This really explains why they were so bent on destroying there relationship to those that had created them. I am talking about the original Cylon War not that which followed 58 years ago.

Just think. Zoe-A is a genius on the order of her father and if the cylons are just transferred human consciousnesses of monotheist then we are going to see some very interesting things unfold.

Caprica in that 90 minutes teased a series that can be thought provoking, prescient and just plain awesome to see unfold. No it isn't BSG but watching how this grows will be somthing I am looking forward.

Do you think it is cheesy that the angst filled hormonal teens being original cylons?

[joshwall]

I don't think it's cheesy, it's a strange step to take but as you point out an interesting one to say the least. It explains alot about the general Cylon psyche and i think this off the wall approach to the genesis of the Cylon race is better as we all could come up with "clever bloke invents clever machine" style thing, it's all been done before. So I think this shift from the norm is a clever thing from RDM and his team of writers, gold starts to the lot of em :D

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

The Cylons have always been a child race—the Colonial version of the Cylons have only been around ~60 years before the events of BSG. Now, factoring that in, and given how seemingly inept the Cylons are at some things from a social standpoint, it really isn't surprising that the Cylons came from a young pscyhe.

Also, you do have to factor in that neither Zoe-A nor the Cylons have hormones!

[JohnMatZ]

This is where it gets really fun to see how things go. The duplication of Zoe to Zoe-A made an almost exact copy.... What is comprised of that copy. But in that virtual world she is just as real as Daniel Graystone.

She was just a non-corporeal representation of a flesh and blood being. O.K. so the explanation of what zoe-a is comprised of would be interesting to us geeks.

She / They have digital representaitions of Hormones/Emotions otherwise why does Zoe-A make that call at the end of the show. She could just have easily escaped if she would realize what she is.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

True enough, Zoe had to program in a subroutine that emulates emotion/hormonal responses, or her copy was just that perfect enough to make those decisions without said subroutines.

[Creox]

I enjoyed the pilot but was not wowed at any rate.

I thought the story surrounding the two families was the most interesting. That admiral Adama came from what is basically a mafioso background is cool. I thought the teen girl as first cylon was a bit cheesy but that could be due to her acting, which I didn't like.

The main point is that I will be watching again as it got my interest. Waiting till 2010 really sucks but that's par for the course from this group :)

[bradtem]

Actually, the thing I thought it explained best was why the Cylons were so keen to get biological bodies. First they tried to build hybrids. (This makes the popular fan speculation that Daniel G. is the first Hybrid make more sense.) Then the F5 show up and offer them far more advanced biotech. They jump at it.

Now this deal has not been fully explained and parts of it today don't make sense. The new comic may explain it. Did the Centurions, based on Zoe, Tamara and Ben, transfer memories and personality into the 8 skinjobs? If they didn't, what sort of deal was it -- you F5 create kids of your own and we'll pretend they are our successors?

Or was Zoe so desperate to return to the flesh that this seemed like a good deal to her successors.

And perhaps we see the seeds of why John wanted so much to return to the metal.

[thenimf]

One twist I'd love to see is Daniel becoming obsessed with the commercialization of the cylons and instead of creating new personalities he copies Zoe-A into every model...

This would explain why all the centurions were happy to stop the war for human bodies, because all along they just wanted to become human again.

[joshwall]

I do wonder how a 16 year old managed to come up with a perfect or near perfect virtual copy of a human. Damn i bet she did well in ICT :D

[Angarsk]

Oh, I just posted on the "episode talk" forum how it's odd that a teen managed to make a system that only needs memory transfered to a processor and there you go: "resurection"...

Then, cylons (who crack military codes in seconds) can't come up with a way to do just that?....

There's gotta be an explanation for that.

I liked the pieces of paper, what do you think? are they just dumb terminals? or full computers in the paper?... and wny didn't anybody had those in BSG?

[Batman316]

Then, cylons (who crack military codes in seconds) can't come up with a way to do just that?....

There's gotta be an explanation for that.

sure there is... there are no cylons at this stage 'technically'

[Angarsk]

sure there is... there are no cylons at this stage 'technically'

Sure there are not... but what I mean that seems way too easy to have resurrection, they just have to come up with a way to make it harder than "copy the 300 Mb. memory to the new body"

[Prolescum]

True, resurrection is supposed to come from the redundant five.

[clonetrooper]

Maybe it is harder to do with humanoid cylons...

[eps200]

Zoe A is not true resurection she is a coppy true resurection would be far far harder

[DanielThrace]

Would it be okay to NOT put spoilers in your thread title?!

[Angarsk]

Yes... "being harder on skinjobs" sounds like a place they could go, maybe the absence of actual circuits but instead those bio-whatever they're made of?

eps200: how's "copy" different from "true" resurrection, sounds a lot like the same to me I'm sure they have to come up with something...

[holoband]

Yes... "being harder on skinjobs" sounds like a place they could go, maybe the absence of actual circuits but instead those bio-whatever they're made of?

eps200: how's "copy" different from "true" resurrection, sounds a lot like the same to me I'm sure they have to come up with something...

Well resurrection is actually cheating death by taking your consciousness and placing it in a fresh body. You have a new body, but you are still the same person. It's like taking the contents out of a box and placing them in an identical box. Like when Boomer or Caprica-Six downloaded into a new body, it was still the same Boomer or Caprica. Not a duplicate of that person with the same memories.

What Zoe did is different. Zoe-A is not Zoe. Zoe is dead. Zoe-A is the nearest thing (personality-wise) to the living person. But she is a seperate entity. It is not cheating death. It's like taking a drawing of an object. You can capture the object's likeness, but it will not be the object.

I imagine resurrection is a far far more complicated process. To transfer someone's mind from a flesh body to a flesh body.

[Angarsk]

hmm... this sounds beyond me... can't really get the difference, I mean, If the copy has all the memories, personality, etc... why would it be any different from being "the same".

Now... "flesh" sounds about right, we know very little on how skinjobs work, but they seem to be all organic and very much similar to humans (or Baltar wouldn't have had any trouble with the "cylon detector" thing). So, THAT sounds trickier... still, centurions, raiders, etc. would be a lot easier as I see it.

EDIT: Elaborating in the "copy - resurection" issue: Zoe A is the same as Zoe because she was made while Zoe was alive and copied everything herself, On the other hand Adama's sister (whatever her name is) is a reconstruction made from whatever she googled while alive (how cool is that)... She would definetly not be the same.

Cylons being wireless connected all the time, their conciousness would be updated every second until they die, copy that conciousness from the hub's HD to the new body and voilá.

[Neakal]

hmm... this sounds beyond me... can't really get the difference, I mean, If the copy has all the memories, personality, etc... why would it be any different from being "the same".

You would think so but the Cylons who share each other's memories don't become each other. Think about the "Backup-Athena" in The Hub. She had Athena's memories, experiences, feelings, knowledge, understanding of Helo and even some mannerisms. But she was not Athena despite that. I would imagine the same with Caprica Six. The other Sixes probably knew about her feelings towards Baltar but felt nothing towards Baltar or humanity in general.

Whether you call it "the self", "soul" or something else, Downloading seems to tranfer this as well whereas memory tranfer and Zoe's Digital Copy does not.

Cylon-A seems to remain Cylon-A whatever happens and Cylon-B is Cylon-B whatever happens. I think it was Lucy Lawless who explained it: Humanoid Cylons are individuals with individual characteristics (beyond models) who did not realise they are individuals until the point they could not deny their individuality (Caprica-Six, Boomer, D'Anna, Leoben).

The only model who showed uniformity between the "individuals" of the same model were the Ones (Cavils).

I am not sure how this ties to Cylons originally being human digital copies. Perhaps the "self" or the "soul" that was copied into the V-Clubs were suppressed when the 8 Models were created.

[JohnMatZ]

Whether you call it "the self", "soul" or something else, Downloading seems to transfer this as well whereas memory transfer and Zoe's Digital Copy does not.

I am not sure how this ties to Cylons originally being human digital copies. Perhaps the "self" or the "soul" that was copied into the V-Clubs were suppressed when the 8 Models were created.

So far there is no "resurrection" They cannot be compared. Zoe is the ORIGINAL cylon. I really think both her and Joe Adama's daughter were built the same way accept Joe Adama's daughter was not aware that they were making a copy so when confronted with her mortality she paniced.

I had an interesting thought. Say that the resistance uploads several of the people into that cyberspace area and these eventually become the cylon race. Though there would be many thousand cylons just a handful of base personalities. Also when the final five come back there is a desire by them for these originals to return to human form wouldn't it be great if Eight was actually Bill Adama's sister's personality downloaded into the eights.

This is my personal theory and cannot wait to see how it plays out. It is great how being awefully wrong becuase RDMs solution are so interesting on many levels.

I never considered my thread title a spoiler but it could be seen that way.

[Prolescum]

It's not a spoiler, don't worry. Here's the spoiler policy (http://battlestarforum.com/faq.php?faq=battlestar_forum_rules#faq_battlestar_ forum_spoilerpolicy).

[itzhakts]

Do you think it is cheesy that the angst filled hormonal teens being original cylons?

I may be mistaken, but don't teen go nuts because of hormones because they are secreted from glands in the human body?

I can understand emulating an emotional response, but to say that the Cylons go ape because they have PMS?

Perhaps we should concentrate on emotions and not hormones ;). If we keep that distinction, I think we have a winner :thumbsup:

[Helio]

Key point in the pilot:

At no point is there any actual transference of memory from the initial to the copy. They use spidering/data mining and manual insertion of parameters to create a profile that, for reasons yet explained, seems to provide a conduit for a consciousness that exists "in the place between life and death". As far as indicated, this is an unintentional byproduct of the process. When Daniel discovers Zoe-A, and when Joseph meets Tamara, are both indications that, while the information they retrieve provides the basic description and lower level mechanics for a consciousness, it is not this description that is actually driving things. Something else is behind the wheel (Call it soul, residual localized quantum phenomena, etc). Daniel wanted to use the former for his robot designs, and it seemed to work. But whatever he attempted to do to suppress the originals consciousness from taking control, didn't work. He wants the 'intelligent animal' portion, the ability to achieve a goal (preservation of genetic material, ie, completing it's objectives) through an indirect means that may conflict directly with self preservation. A machine that can be sent into a battlefield and given complex, sometimes suicidal orders, and carry them out with minimal loss of life for it's side.

As for the relationship to resurrection, this early, first step, is inherently broken. Tamara had zero preparation, and it was traumatic for everyone involved. Zoe-A was well prepared and well coached through the process, and still had bad reactions and crises' of identity. This is not the resurrection process we are used to. This is something rough, raw, and too flawed to be used.

The process we saw on BSG was finely tuned, designed by someone who apparently understood the 'place between life and death' much more. Not only was there more stability, but there were manipulations in their genetics to streamline the process. Memories could be manipulated, multiple copies of the same core consciousness could exist without a complete psychotic break (through a means undescribed). Ellen did make an 'intuitive leap' that pushed it into a usable process, after all, with 4 other people who were considered 'geniuses' in their society, well versed in mechanics, engineering, biology, genetics.... enough to create 8 distinct human beings that were not simple copies, but unique individuals. They were also able to respect the forces that they were dealing with enough to reject the natural tendencies of enslavement and deprecation of artificial life, which is so obviously based on the same principles of life they were.

Hubris, particularly Daniels, is the driving force behind the mistakes the Colonials made. Daniel does not understand (and, in my opinion, neither did Zoe) the forces they were dealing with. The relative ease and simplicity they give the process (only 300MB of data, then you have a person), and the disregard for life that is unlike their own, is a limiting force in what they are able to do. By proxy, their children (the Cylons) are limited, and at the time of the arrival of the FF, are looking to kidnapping people against their will, and performing surgical implantation of cybernetic components and systems to achieve their goals. Despite their beliefs, the children are repeating the mistakes of the parents.

(As for the hormones part, yes, the hormones create the initial angst, but from that point on the consciousness of the individual is shaped by the reactions to it; even in the absence of them, it will still have the same reactions to it, until it grows to adjust. And if the consciousness is not allowed to grow, for whatever reason, it will always act the same.

I'd also be careful if I were you. It's disrespectful to compare the reactions of a sentient being to their own enslavement as being as equivalent to a teenager with an attitude problem. It's not even superficially similar.)

[Prolescum]

Dude, if you take everything that seriously, you're missing a fundamental series of traits inherent in humanity; the thread title is a gag.
Ellen did make an 'intuitive leap' that pushed it into a usable process, after all, with 4 other people who were considered 'geniuses' in their society, well versed in mechanics, engineering, biology, genetics...Actually, Tigh was the hesitant son of the thirteenth tribe's leader, Tory was still working in PR and Sam was a hobo who played the guitar a bit. So there.

[Batman316]

Actually, Tigh was the hesitant son of the thirteenth tribe's leader, Tory was still working in PR and Sam was a hobo who played the guitar a bit. So there.

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[Prolescum]

Somehow na na ne na na I told you so just doesn't seem to cut itLol. :D

[eps200]

Yes... "being harder on skinjobs" sounds like a place they could go, maybe the absence of actual circuits but instead those bio-whatever they're made of?

eps200: how's "copy" different from "true" resurrection, sounds a lot like the same to me I'm sure they have to come up with something...

Think of it this way if i start with an entitiy A

A:) and copy it to make B

A:) B:)

and the first one dies

A:crazy: B:)

A is dead B does not become A even thought it is the same with resurrection A would be revived and be a different individual because of its experiences

A:( B:)

note they are now different due to their experiences like boomer and athena

To put another way think of lost data Zoe made a before hand resurrection transfers the data when the body is destroyed.

Its a pretty weird concept to grapple with i used to spend t much time thinking about death and imortality

[bradtem]

Think of it this way if i start with an entitiy A

A:) and copy it to make B

A:) B:)

and the first one dies

A:crazy: B:)

A is dead B does not become A even thought it is the same with resurrection A would be revived and be a different individual because of its experiences

A:( B:)

note they are now different due to their experiences like boomer and athena

To put another way think of lost data Zoe made a before hand resurrection transfers the data when the body is destroyed.

Its a pretty weird concept to grapple with i used to spend t much time thinking about death and imortality



You have not yet learned to think like a patternist. A patternist believes that "they" are in the software, not the hardware or wetware. Copy the pattern (software), and there is a new you. There are now two of you, both you, neither one more special.

Like an amoeba that splits. Which one is the original?

So both are successors to the original in the timeline. If one dies, it is bad news for that one, but not from the viewpoint of the original who got herself copied. From that viewpoint (now in the past, but it was looking to the future) both are valid continuations of life.

However, most people don't think this way, it is not our natural way of thinking. But some do, and Cylons do.

[thevarrior]

This is a really odd concept. lol.

[Prolescum]

:D

[Hofner1962]

This is a really odd concept. lol.

But really interesting - and compelling. Now I am going to dreams about cylon amoebas. Damn you Brad :D

[thevarrior]

Cylon microorganisms? Symbiotic bacteria in their gut?

[Prolescum]

Midichlorians.

[Palpat]

Don't you ever say that name again! :mad:

[Prolescum]

Sorry, midi-chlorians. :D

[Batman316]

Burn in hell

[thevarrior]

Sorry, midi-chlorians. :D

Go fuck yourself :D.

[Batman316]

The only thing 'worse' than the 'STEVE did it clause'

[Prolescum]

Arf.

[Mister Oragahn]

What Zoe did is different. Zoe-A is not Zoe. Zoe is dead. Zoe-A is the nearest thing (personality-wise) to the living person. But she is a seperate entity. It is not cheating death. It's like taking a drawing of an object. You can capture the object's likeness, but it will not be the object.


Zoe-A is more like an improved electronic golem methinks.

[Antarctic Fox]

Zoe-A is more like an improved electronic golem methinks.

http://zardoztechmage.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/spaceballs4.jpg

"Funny, she doesn't look Druish."

[Palpat]

Space Balls!
Epic win!

[Antarctic Fox]

Space Balls!
Epic win!

Thank you, thank you very much, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

Eventually I may actually contribute something more than snarky comments to a discussion here. :thumbsup:

[itzhakts]

Sounds good to me

[Cacaoatl]

1. Their reaction to humanity is a hate filled temper tantrum.
2. Their religious beliefs (among those who have them) are the fanatical beliefs most commonly seen amongst young converts rather the more nuanced beliefs of more mature believers (emotional maturity rather than physical, you can be 100 and still sound like a young fanatic).
3. Nuclear holocaust is the same kind of overkill seen when a young person commits a homicide.
4. Cavil's petty jealously of "Daniel" is the reaction of a child who doesn't want to share.
5. Cavil's actions towards the Final Five is like the "you're not the boss of me" reaction of a rebellious teen.

All these and other behaviors can be traced to original Cylon being a copy of a teenager.

[Batman316]

1. Their reaction to humanity is a hate filled temper tantrum.
2. Their religious beliefs (among those who have them) are the fanatical beliefs most commonly seen amongst young converts rather the more nuanced beliefs of more mature believers (emotional maturity rather than physical, you can be 100 and still sound like a young fanatic).
3. Nuclear holocaust is the same kind of overkill seen when a young person commits a homicide.
4. Cavil's petty jealously of "Daniel" is the reaction of a child who doesn't want to share.
5. Cavil's actions towards the Final Five is like the "you're not the boss of me" reaction of a rebellious teen.

All these and other behaviors can be traced to original Cylon being a copy of a teenager.

lol you might be onto something there

[Prolescum]

Flaw in that, I reckon, is that Cavil was created by the final five, not the Centurions; the link is broken. Funny, though.

[Cacaoatl]

I may have missed something, but I am not sure that BSG ever fully revealed the procedure that the Final Five used for creating the Significant Eight. The Significant Eight Humanoid Models were made for the Centurions in exchange for the Centurions ending their war. It is likely that some of the Centurions in some way "volunteered" as raw material for the creation of the Significant Eight -- such that some aspects of the Centurions were carried on in the Significant Eight. In those instances when Humanoids were forced to resort to physical violence -- such as when Boomer shot Adama or when they needed to fight they may have been tapping into latent Centurion programming. This latent "Centurion-ess" may have also included Zoe's rebellious teenage angst.

[thevarrior]

According to the Final Five comics, though, Number One was created by grafting both robotic/centurion AI and Ellen's father's memories and actions into a single body.

[Cacaoatl]

According to the Final Five comics, though, Number One was created by grafting both robotic/centurion AI and Ellen's father's memories and actions into a single body.

Until Ron Moore says otherwise, I'm not going to consider the comics "canon" but more of a variation on a theme. Of course my own posts are just silly speculation anyway.

[Prolescum]

A variation on a theme? Sorry mate, but that's ridiculous. They're not an alternative ending, they were written to make sense of the inconsistencies that surrounded the final five, and the deeper connection between the FF and the Colonials. Why would one of the staff writers have written it if it wasn't designed to plug the gaps? Don't read 'em, sure, but it's your loss, man. :thumbsup:

[Cacaoatl]

A variation on a theme? Sorry mate, but that's ridiculous. They're not an alternative ending, they were written to make sense of the inconsistencies that surrounded the final five, and the deeper connection between the FF and the Colonials. Why would one of the staff writers have written it if it wasn't designed to plug the gaps? Don't read 'em, sure, but it's your loss, man. :thumbsup:

I did read them, mate. With a few exceptions, I found them pretty trite and boring. I found that thematically (theme being different from plot) they rehashed stuff that the series had already covered. Plot wise, since I never really found the Final Five that compelling on the show, I didn't really give a crap about their back stories or this particular writer's speculation about their back stories.

So one of the series writers wrote them, so what? That doesn't make them good or even "canon". Until RDM says otherwise, I consider the comics idle speculation no more relevant than the fan speculation on the forum. The editors for the Battlestar Wiki consider them Separate continuity. In some cases the comics actually conflict with things stated in the series. You can check the details yourself in the Battlestar Wiki .

I have the same rule for BSG spinoffs that I have for Star Wars and Star Trek spinoffs. The only things I consider canon are the things that have actually been filmed. In BSG's case that includes the miniseries, the regular series, Razor, the webisodes, Caprica, and the forth coming The Plan. I don't consider the scripts or the series bible canon either. The series bible gives slightly different back story for some of the characters than what made into on the show and scripts are changed up to the moment filming begins. For example, Ron Moore's original script for the miniseries began the story on Kobol not Caprica. The series bible states that Bill Adama's parents were divorced while the Caprica pilot shows that his mother was killed in the same bombing that claimed his sister.

[Batman316]

You do know that RDM is a hack? He had no idea what he was doing at the end.

"It's about the characters stupid"

.....he (RDM) had the chance to pull off the greatest show in sci-fi history with a mind blowing finale that would leave everyone speechless.

Trust me people like Genji and Varrior were FAR FROM SPEECHLESS.

The Final Five comics make the pain of RDM's betrayal to the viewers, with a higher IQ than a demented fencepost, atleast slightly bearable.
From someone who knew STEVE did it since the miniseries the final half of season 4 was a complete waste of time. A monkey on crack could have done better.
RDM's attention shifted to Caprica. The Final Five comics are like an apology.

Sure they would have been sweet if the storyline was in the series but it wasn't. We make do with what disquiets our soul, islanded in a sea of stars.

[Prolescum]

I think the proper term is 'Islanded in a stream of piss', Batman.
As for canonicity, like I said, it's up to you how you view them; I view them as fundamental. The BS wiki, the one this forum is a part of, is just that, a wiki.

[Hofner1962]

I think the proper term is 'Islanded in a stream of piss', Batman.


It's better to be pissed off, then pissed on. Though the former usually follows the latter.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

It's better to be pissed off, then pissed on. Though the former usually follows the latter.

Logical.

if we ever create a quotebook, this one would make the cut. :thumbsup:

[thevarrior]

You do know that RDM is a hack? He had no idea what he was doing at the end.

"It's about the characters stupid"

.....he (RDM) had the chance to pull off the greatest show in sci-fi history with a mind blowing finale that would leave everyone speechless.

Trust me people like Genji and Varrior were FAR FROM SPEECHLESS.

The Final Five comics make the pain of RDM's betrayal to the viewers, with a higher IQ than a demented fencepost, atleast slightly bearable.
From someone who knew STEVE did it since the miniseries the final half of season 4 was a complete waste of time. A monkey on crack could have done better.
RDM's attention shifted to Caprica. The Final Five comics are like an apology.

Sure they would have been sweet if the storyline was in the series but it wasn't. We make do with what disquiets our soul, islanded in a sea of stars.

Seriously, I don't think I could have put it any better.

No, I don't think the Final Five comics were perfect. They were, however, better than the cockshit we received as a finale.

As Prole said, just because BSWiki calls them 'separate continuity' does not necessarily make it so. In fact, a fair number of the editors do not contribute to the forum discussion (with obvious exceptions like Shane and Joe!) and they are more part of the Frakmedia team that runs this joint. We even had issues where one of the people involved with that aspect of Frakmedia decided to post an incredibly patronizing and insulting piece of garbage and we pretty much railed on him. I digress, in any case. Continuity has not been officially established for the comics, and even if it were, I would consider it to be canon over the horse manure that was the finale.

[Prolescum]

Logical.

if we ever create a quotebook, this one would make the cut. :thumbsup:


http://battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=2738

[JohnMatZ]

1. Their reaction to humanity is a hate filled temper tantrum.
2. Their religious beliefs (among those who have them) are the fanatical beliefs most commonly seen amongst young converts rather the more nuanced beliefs of more mature believers (emotional maturity rather than physical, you can be 100 and still sound like a young fanatic).
3. Nuclear holocaust is the same kind of overkill seen when a young person commits a homicide.
4. Cavil's petty jealously of "Daniel" is the reaction of a child who doesn't want to share.
5. Cavil's actions towards the Final Five is like the "you're not the boss of me" reaction of a rebellious teen.

All these and other behaviors can be traced to original Cylon being a copy of a teenager.

Exactly.

Oh BTW Canon is overrated.

And, If you didn't see that unseen forces would play a huge part in the ending you kind of missed the point. I really think it was RDMs way of giving us his version of the Soprano's ending. We will forever discuss it and half of those explanations we have will/won't work.

[hellkiller1234]

That teen is a girl. No wonder the later cylon models are hot

[BruceAdama]

Wow, This is an interesting twist. The ORIGINAL cylon is a teen girl. This really explains why they were so bent on destroying there relationship to those that had created them. I am talking about the original Cylon War not that which followed 58 years ago.

Just think. Zoe-A is a genius on the order of her father and if the cylons are just transferred human consciousnesses of monotheist then we are going to see some very interesting things unfold.

Caprica in that 90 minutes teased a series that can be thought provoking, prescient and just plain awesome to see unfold. No it isn't BSG but watching how this grows will be somthing I am looking forward.

Do you think it is cheesy that the angst filled hormonal teens being original cylons?

It's not cheesy, but you should have indicated that it is ONE teen... Zoe. It is Zoe's consciousness that is uploaded into the proto-Cylon, and thus, that is where the Cylons get their firm belief in the one true God. It was established in BSG that the belief in God was supposedly a Cylon "invention". Now we know why and how.

But I doubt any other teens are Cylons... it's merely a case of Zoe's thoughts spreading among the various copies of Cylon software that are sure to follow, once the Centurions are being mass-produced. Zoe is the Cylon "mother". Remember... in Greek mythology, Zoe is the mother of Hera. The first generation of Cylons is made from a human, and the next generation of humans is made from a Cylon (BSG).

[Prolescum]

Mate, it's a gag. Relax.

[BruceAdama]

Well, I know that... NOW... lol.

[JohnMatZ]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-04/sci-fi-tv-gets-frisky/2/

Additionally, the difference in perspectives between generations is an important distinction between Caprica and its forebear, stressed Moore. Battlestar’s characters were all adults; Caprica purposefully has strong teen characters. “Where’s the youth culture leading this society, because ultimately that is where societies go,” Moore said. “And there was this idea at the heart of the show that we were very intrigued with, which was that this apocalypse is born from an angry, 16-year-old girl.”

It is an agry teen that starts the war. This is really going to be a fun ride.

[Prolescum]

Nice find, dude.

[thevarrior]

Really? It sounds like a lot of horseshit, to be honest.