Gaelic Cowboy
November 28th, 2007, 10:22 PM
I just posted this on the watercooler forum also to just to see if I could get a broad spectrum on this point. This has been in the back of my mind bugging me for a while now and the more I think of it the more I'm convinced the colonials are like a benign autocracy rather than a real democracy.
In Bastille Day Tom Zarek is talking with Lee on the prison ship about his beliefs and ideas.
Tom Zarek: "You read my book the one that had to be smuggled out of labour camp because
aren't allowed freedom of expression."
Lee: "You weren't the book was banned I read it anyway"
Well the colonials have labour camps and they ban books and a stump is not allowed freedom of expression I assume that a stump is either a derogatory name for a prisoner or a person from Sagitarion because Tom Zareks from there too. Rights of even people who disregard other peoples right must be protected so we can protect everyones rights. However Toms conversation with Lee raises some uncomfortable questions for the colonial form of goverment.
Then Roslin and Adar talk in an office about a teacher strike which is getting out of hand and he hits the roof when she sorts the thing through backchannel talks. He seems pretty angry and the whole episode left me with a feeling they were really getting tough with the teachers strike.
Another time Roslin talks of the time Adar sent marines to Aerelon and fifty people died during some disturbances there. Now we have learned that it was some kind of agricultural planet the breadbasket for the twelve colonies so a crowd of farmers needed to be put down by the army what they have no police.
Incidently Roslin had probably had a lot to do with that strike I mentioned earlier on she was education secretary she was involved in the use of network computers to teach children and give people acess to information and do there work. We saw some tiny evidence for this when she is petitioning Adama along with Doral in the miniseries for a network computer on the ship.
As a member of the goverment she would have been responsible for the instalation and use of computers in schools to teach children easier.
Interestingly the cylons rebelled after they were created by humans to make life easier on the colonies and then the cylons use computer networks to overpower colonial defenses surely network computer would have been like WMDs we know the cylons can overpower there computers so ships like the Galactica were made sort of backwards to prevent this attack. Why would they make such a mistake it seems to me like the ground work for the attack was decades in the making first get the kids hooked on the net let them forget the cylons we hide for 40 yrs when we show up they will have laid all the groundwork for us. Roslin maybe has some culpability for the attack too but she is just obsessed with Baltars crimes and the prophesys are held as almost sacred and to hold doubt over them is anathema and heritical.
The more I watch my DVDs the more Roslin comes across as a dictator who hides behind religous dogma and she is not really the democrat she makes herself out to be but none on galactica have figured it out yet.
Baltar also seems to have come from there Aerelon based on his own words and he paints a picture of somekind of planetwide Yorkshire village world and how he had to get away and get to Caprica to culture learning science art etc etc. Well even if the entire planet was like Kansas surely the cities were good craic and had culture and art there seems to be a soft racism and almost even a slight caste system in place.
Maybe someone was needed to do the old cylon work and people were catagorised by were they came from in the colonies and assigned accordingly.
There also seems to be a problem in colonial society with Sagitarion people and their beliefs which we saw in "The Woman King" the stuff from that episode is so obvious it does not need to be rehashed in this thread.
And then lastly when Roslin is going to airlock Baltar he stops her by showing her a photo of a man he got a visa for. I'm assuming the visa is for Caprica this implies that freedom of movement between the twelve worlds is not allowed. You can vote for your federal president but you cant even go to work in the capital city of the colonized worlds.
Some of this stuff is quite thin and may just be an unitended consequence of trying to make stories dramatic and also we have not seen Razor yet over here and it may or may not have some loose ends tied up for us on this but it still bugs me and very thin stuff has been used to spring twists on us before.
In Bastille Day Tom Zarek is talking with Lee on the prison ship about his beliefs and ideas.
Tom Zarek: "You read my book the one that had to be smuggled out of labour camp because
aren't allowed freedom of expression."
Lee: "You weren't the book was banned I read it anyway"
Well the colonials have labour camps and they ban books and a stump is not allowed freedom of expression I assume that a stump is either a derogatory name for a prisoner or a person from Sagitarion because Tom Zareks from there too. Rights of even people who disregard other peoples right must be protected so we can protect everyones rights. However Toms conversation with Lee raises some uncomfortable questions for the colonial form of goverment.
Then Roslin and Adar talk in an office about a teacher strike which is getting out of hand and he hits the roof when she sorts the thing through backchannel talks. He seems pretty angry and the whole episode left me with a feeling they were really getting tough with the teachers strike.
Another time Roslin talks of the time Adar sent marines to Aerelon and fifty people died during some disturbances there. Now we have learned that it was some kind of agricultural planet the breadbasket for the twelve colonies so a crowd of farmers needed to be put down by the army what they have no police.
Incidently Roslin had probably had a lot to do with that strike I mentioned earlier on she was education secretary she was involved in the use of network computers to teach children and give people acess to information and do there work. We saw some tiny evidence for this when she is petitioning Adama along with Doral in the miniseries for a network computer on the ship.
As a member of the goverment she would have been responsible for the instalation and use of computers in schools to teach children easier.
Interestingly the cylons rebelled after they were created by humans to make life easier on the colonies and then the cylons use computer networks to overpower colonial defenses surely network computer would have been like WMDs we know the cylons can overpower there computers so ships like the Galactica were made sort of backwards to prevent this attack. Why would they make such a mistake it seems to me like the ground work for the attack was decades in the making first get the kids hooked on the net let them forget the cylons we hide for 40 yrs when we show up they will have laid all the groundwork for us. Roslin maybe has some culpability for the attack too but she is just obsessed with Baltars crimes and the prophesys are held as almost sacred and to hold doubt over them is anathema and heritical.
The more I watch my DVDs the more Roslin comes across as a dictator who hides behind religous dogma and she is not really the democrat she makes herself out to be but none on galactica have figured it out yet.
Baltar also seems to have come from there Aerelon based on his own words and he paints a picture of somekind of planetwide Yorkshire village world and how he had to get away and get to Caprica to culture learning science art etc etc. Well even if the entire planet was like Kansas surely the cities were good craic and had culture and art there seems to be a soft racism and almost even a slight caste system in place.
Maybe someone was needed to do the old cylon work and people were catagorised by were they came from in the colonies and assigned accordingly.
There also seems to be a problem in colonial society with Sagitarion people and their beliefs which we saw in "The Woman King" the stuff from that episode is so obvious it does not need to be rehashed in this thread.
And then lastly when Roslin is going to airlock Baltar he stops her by showing her a photo of a man he got a visa for. I'm assuming the visa is for Caprica this implies that freedom of movement between the twelve worlds is not allowed. You can vote for your federal president but you cant even go to work in the capital city of the colonized worlds.
Some of this stuff is quite thin and may just be an unitended consequence of trying to make stories dramatic and also we have not seen Razor yet over here and it may or may not have some loose ends tied up for us on this but it still bugs me and very thin stuff has been used to spring twists on us before.