View Full Version : A tactical advantage?
Dwyn2435
March 21st, 2009, 07:55 PM
Seriously, I don't see how Galactica survived ramming the Colony. I just don't see how. Pegasus up and exploded when it rammed the baseship, unless Lee somehow set the thing to self destruct.
WHY WAS GALACTICA MOSTLY INTACT?
Still, nice throwback to Robotech, Mr. Moore.
thevarrior
March 21st, 2009, 08:54 PM
To be fair Pegasus was accelerating from a ways off into a much flimsier object, and yeah it seems like there were some live rounds. Galactica was right on the Colony's ass, and basically rammed a hole in it with a short thrust.
Dwyn2435
March 21st, 2009, 09:09 PM
I must admit it was a interesting concept of boarding ships in space. Dangerous and probably not very efficient in reality.
Pnutmaster
March 21st, 2009, 09:21 PM
I was curious how the Galactica withstood the Colony's main guns (even for a few seconds) when a tiny Raptor jump blew a hole in the ship. That Cylon poo really did the trick?
mermoid
March 21st, 2009, 09:29 PM
My favourite part of the Colony battle was Anders doing his thing with the Colony hybrids.
Dwyn2435
March 21st, 2009, 09:30 PM
The Colony's guns were freaking huge, too. Massive calibers. Surprising the Galactica wasn't shot in half.
turkey
March 21st, 2009, 09:34 PM
My favourite part of the Colony battle was Anders doing his thing with the Colony hybrids.
Yeah, and it wasn't a Babylon 5 ripoff or anything. No sir.
turkey
March 21st, 2009, 09:36 PM
By the way, I loved B5. When our heroes realized that the story didn't make sense, they made the logical leap that the forces that were manipulating them were no good and they said GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR GALAXY and got on with their own lives.
Too bad that was season 5 :(
JDS
March 21st, 2009, 09:58 PM
Galactica =/= Enterprise NCC-1701-E
In fact, I would go so far as to say
Galactica > Enterprise NCC-1701-E
You see, Galactica is a warship, and a capital ship at that. She was built to be able to shrug off massive enemy fire and to run straight into those flimsy Cylon toasters if necessary. She did not come out unscathed, but she's just built tougher than that silly space station. Besides, you've got Newton's First Law of Motion to deal with. Compare the inertia of Galactica with the inertia of that small section of wall she crashed through.
jonty-comp
March 22nd, 2009, 04:45 AM
I'm more interested as to why their Colony is mostly empty space, with a cavern several hundred metres high just inside the outside wall. :(
JDS
March 22nd, 2009, 12:51 PM
Raiders are like bats, they're more comfortable when they can hang from high ceilings :lol::lol::lol:
Englander
March 22nd, 2009, 02:58 PM
Galactica really did prove her worthness as a battlestar taking that punishment from the BIB (Batshit Insane Batteries).
And to think she was only partially covered with 50 year old armour, imagine Pegasus, an up to date fully new armoured battlestar sitting there, she would of done it for the lulz.
Stiletto005
March 24th, 2009, 03:39 PM
the most stupid that they do is to destroy the fleet.,i know that galactica is to bad damaged and cant jump,altrought she can fly on sub speed.,
but why the fuck destroy enitre fleet.,no sensse, i think Moore fuck entire end,
Angarsk
March 25th, 2009, 12:54 AM
Ok... Galactica has taken Nukes on it's spine, I guess a little fender-bender won't hurt it. What I wonder, is: If the little raptor's jump tore that big hole in Galactica (as tough as the girl is) Why didn't we get an awsome explosion of the entire colony's tentacle once Galactica jumped away?
JDS
March 25th, 2009, 01:14 AM
What I wonder, is: If the little raptor's jump tore that big hole in Galactica (as tough as the girl is) Why didn't we get an awsome explosion of the entire colony's tentacle once Galactica jumped away?There's some discussion of this.
I think the best answer is that the effect is limited to just a few meters away from the ship that jumps.
eps200
March 27th, 2009, 03:53 PM
also boomer raptor was leaking crap all over the place and was damaged maybe that made things worse
Also those asault raptors jumping from the port flight pod blew a hole in the side
UrsusArctos
March 30th, 2009, 06:00 AM
I think the best answer is that the effect is limited to just a few meters away from the ship that jumps.
I looked at the video of Pegasus jumping at Scorpion, and the battlestar's jump sucked in the flames for miles around.
jonty-comp
March 30th, 2009, 09:35 AM
Perhaps it's just Raptors that have crap FTL drives. They're the only ship we've seen that causes any major problems in jumps.
eps200
March 30th, 2009, 02:48 PM
When pegasus jumped it sucked in the flames because it left a massive bit of empty space
Boomer jumped her raptor right next to galactica like a couple meters away
Alfonzo
March 31st, 2009, 05:54 AM
Galactica really did prove her worthness as a battlestar taking that punishment from the BIB (Batshit Insane Batteries).
And to think she was only partially covered with 50 year old armour, imagine Pegasus, an up to date fully new armoured battlestar sitting there, she would of done it for the lulz.
I've actually had this idea that the Galactica was built to survive in a long standoff head to head with a Cylon basestar. While the Pegasus was built to destroy a Cylon basestar in the opening volley, so it wouldn't need to take as many hits. We saw the Pegasus make mincemeat of several basestars with ease, but I don't think we ever saw the Galactica take one out single-handedly.
This is one of my guesses as to why the Colonial fleet was so easily defeated. The ships weren't built to be as tough as they used to, but they sure could pack a punch. But thanks to the Cylons uber hackzors skills, the battlestars were not able to use their mighty weapons, and instead just got pounded with a couple of nukes. But when the Galactica was nuked, it just shrugged it off with only a hundred or so people dying (as opposed to the Pegasus losing... how many? A quarter of her crew or something?)
This would also explain in greater detail why the Pegasus didn't stay in one piece after crashing into a basestar, while the Galactica barely took any damage in comparison when it crashed into the Colony.
And of course, some simple laws of inertia and momentum.
UrsusArctos
March 31st, 2009, 07:30 AM
I think it was just the opposite: Galactica was built in the middle of a war, and the structural failures in Season 4.5 were partly due to inferior construction.
Also, Pegasus took three nukes and change in The Captain's Hand and lived to dish out a thrashing and then get away.
Alfonzo
March 31st, 2009, 09:10 AM
I think it was just the opposite: Galactica was built in the middle of a war, and the structural failures in Season 4.5 were partly due to inferior construction.
I believe that made the problems worse, but I think it was stated that she was just getting too old, and jumping into the atmosphere of New Caprica did nothing to help either.
Also, Pegasus took three nukes and change in The Captain's Hand and lived to dish out a thrashing and then get away.
In the attack against the colonies, Pegasus was hit by a nuke and lost some 700 people (if I remember correctly, which I probably don't). Galactica was hit by a nuke and lost around 100.
JDS
March 31st, 2009, 09:34 AM
Pegasus was hit by 3 or 4 nukes during the fall of the colonies.
Alfonzo
March 31st, 2009, 10:25 AM
Pegasus was hit by 3 or 4 nukes during the fall of the colonies.
Was it? Dammit, I need to rewatch Razor.
JDS
March 31st, 2009, 02:19 PM
I think Cain said it to Adama when we first met Pegasus.
UrsusArctos
April 1st, 2009, 05:43 AM
If you mean at Scorpion, Pegasus didn't take the nukes all by herself at Scorpion. She did take a lot of damage, though (I think ammunition explosions were mentioned). Those nukes that came in at Scorpion got rid of five ships instantly, two of them battlestars.
The big crew loss (700) happened at Scorpion, not during the triple-nuke strike in The Captain's Hand.
Nero
April 2nd, 2009, 08:25 PM
I dunno if its already been discussed, but when they attacked the colony it appeared (atleast to me) that Galacticas raptors jumped from inside the landing bay...now if im right, how the frak didnt Galactica keel over right there if boomers raptor did so much. Tigh anyone: "If she jumps she will tear Galactica's guts out". I have only managed to see the finale twice but each time it seemed like they jumped. Correct me if im wrong?
Federationrulz
April 2nd, 2009, 09:58 PM
I dunno if its already been discussed, but when they attacked the colony it appeared (atleast to me) that Galacticas raptors jumped from inside the landing bay...now if im right, how the frak didnt Galactica keel over right there if boomers raptor did so much. Tigh anyone: "If she jumps she will tear Galactica's guts out". I have only managed to see the finale twice but each time it seemed like they jumped. Correct me if im wrong?
It's about the characters, stupid! :)
Seriously, though, it might have been an over exaggeration. It looked like the port side flightpod was ripped apart, though.
Alfonzo
April 3rd, 2009, 06:18 AM
I dunno if its already been discussed, but when they attacked the colony it appeared (atleast to me) that Galacticas raptors jumped from inside the landing bay...now if im right, how the frak didnt Galactica keel over right there if boomers raptor did so much. Tigh anyone: "If she jumps she will tear Galactica's guts out". I have only managed to see the finale twice but each time it seemed like they jumped. Correct me if im wrong?
Yeah, they jumped, and it messed up the entire flight pod. But since this was going to be the ships last battle, it didn't matter how wrecked it got.
HOWEVER, with Boomer jumping away, it would have damaged the ship too much for it to be even usable in the final battle, or indeed, usable at all.
So, yes, the raptors did jump from inside the flight pod, and yes, they did damage the ship, but no, it didn't matter like it would have if Boomer had done it.
jonty-comp
April 3rd, 2009, 04:33 PM
Don't forget they were in an extended flight pod, a fair bit further from the main body of the ship than Boomer's Raptor was. When Boomer was leaving the Starboard pod they were retracting it so it was basically inside the ship.
thevarrior
April 3rd, 2009, 05:20 PM
I dunno if its already been discussed, but when they attacked the colony it appeared (atleast to me) that Galacticas raptors jumped from inside the landing bay...now if im right, how the frak didnt Galactica keel over right there if boomers raptor did so much. Tigh anyone: "If she jumps she will tear Galactica's guts out". I have only managed to see the finale twice but each time it seemed like they jumped. Correct me if im wrong?
They did. The flight pod blew a giant hole, too. It was done for purposes of stealth so they wouldn't be picked up immediately on DRADIS and shot down by the batteries.
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