My ending theory

[Gluber]

I apologize if somebody has already written this, but on searching the forum i did not find anything to that affect, so i am posting in good faith.

This is how i think BSG will end and by that i mean what the last scenes will be.

After having found a new home planet ( and destroying the Calvin lead cylons ) Humans and Cylons settle there.. They will call the planet Earth, their Earth, their planet of salvation.

Over the centuries Cylons and Humans will interbreed bluring the line between
human and cylons.

The last scenes will be ( as spoilered ) Six walking through present day New York City ( implying that we are the human/cylon descendants ) ...

But there will be a problem, we dabble with technology and also create
new pure Cylons.

And that will be the tragic ending, as we see New York City being extinguished by nuclear bombs. Because we made the same mistakes and our new Cylons revolted, in the same way as in the beginning of BSG...

That will be both tragic and also draw nice parllels to our present day live with technology being heralded... and of course also fit into the mantra for "It has happened before it will happen again", completing the cycle.

What do you think ?

[Pnutmaster]

I love analyzing interviews (http://www.mediablvd.com/magazine/the_news/celebrity/tricia_helfer%27s_run_comes_to_an_end_on_%27burn_n otice%27_200902261614.html) for all they're worth.


Question> With the finale of Battlestar Galactica fast approaching, do you think that there’d be any possibility of a spin-off of Battlestar further in the future?
Tricia> You know, I’ve never really thought about that. Without giving away the finale, I guess there sort of could be. It’s definitely a closing in one respect, but now that you mentioned it, there could possibly be a spin-off. I don’t expect there to be. I really don’t expect there to be and I don’t think that’s their intention, but I guess you can never say never in this business.Could there possibly be a spin-off given your ending, Gluber? Humanity fleeing the Cylons in search of a home called Kobol? lol.

I believe spin-offs contain at least one character from the parent show, right? There's no way they could sell "Kara Thrace's adventures on pre-historical Earth!".

[Prolescum]

This is less a theory, more a collection of information gathered from the 'net.

Oh, and welcome.

[Zlaticko]

1. Welcome to the forum.
2. Have a look Nugget Intros (http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=1577) if you'd like to tell us more about yourself.

3. It's both a bit too optimistic and pessimistic for some strange reason. Lemme'splain:

I don't know if they'll be able to stop Cavil at all. Perhaps he'll head back to the Cylon home planet they mentioned having, and then he'll start the 13th tribe of Cylons over there.

The Current Galactica group will try to get along, start something that will eventually be called Kobol, and the rest cycles from there on.

As to what you mentioned in the spoiler tag; that's entirely possible, but I wonder if that means the cycle is starting or ending, or somewhere in the middle.

What do you think?

Have fun!

[Gluber]

I think it would signify the ending of "this" cycle and start of the next one.

Although on a different note, it could also happen as explained, but not ending with nuclear bombs but with the exodus from their new home ( e.g new Kobol or new Earth ) ... with 13 new tribes, and the pure cylons splitting of to find their "new Earth" as the new 13th tribe .... Which would also be kind of fitting i think...

But i really like the idea of "us" being the cylon/human descendants...

Btw do we know anything about WHO nuked Earth ? We just now what happend but why and who remains a mystery to me ..

[Prolescum]

The 13th tribe created some machines as slaves that rebelled. Probably. Cycles and all that jazz.

[s0ss]

Well. I really think the vision of Baltar and Six holding Hera will come true. Galactica is clearly going down, and Adama and most of the crew will probably go with it. Baltar has been known to be quite the survivalist.

Things are going to get messy, there is going to be a clash with Cavil and the fleet. A battle Galactica can't win. We will find out what there is some kind of common string manipulating key players to get them to where they need to get. The visions being devine intervention from someone/something/lords of kobol/god. In the end, a Human; Baltar. A Cylon; Six, and a human/cylon child Hera survive, creating the new civilization, finally breaking the cycle of thousands of years.

[Prolescum]

You can't start a civilisation with three people, even if two of them are women. *sigh*

[s0ss]

You can't start a civilisation with three people, even if two of them are women. *sigh*

Agreed. Saying they are the only 3 remaining is a stretch of reality. Of course others will survive, but these 3 will be the important final 3 survivors.

But in a biblical sense, sure civilization can be created by two people. :)

[icklepants]

You can't start a civilisation with three people, even if two of them are women. *sigh*

Technicaly you can as long as they're all about fourteen and the women spend their lives up the duff or giving birth. I wouldn't be that interested to be fair though.

[Prolescum]

But in a biblical sense, sure civilization can be created by two people.Fairy tales.
They would die off pretty quick through mutation of their pathetically shallow gene pool.

[s0ss]

Fairy tales.


But is BSG not anything more than a fairy tale? Or Bible story?

[icklepants]

They would die off pretty quick through mutation of their pathetically shallow gene pool.
Or end up as an underground civilisation like in the film Haemoglobin, one of the legendary films of all time. It was called Bleeders in the US and I don't htink I've laughed so openly at a film in my life, I highly recommend it. As long as you realise it's so crap it's a work of genius.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119279/

[Prolescum]

But is BSG not anything more than a fairy tale? Or Bible story? Supposed to be 'naturalistic'.

[stavrosg]

But in a biblical sense, sure civilization can be created by two people. :)
It is a matter of interpretation: Genesis says that Adam and Eve were the first humans created, not that they were only two ;)

Not that I believe such fairy tales but...

[Aurora]

Remember that there are probaby still human survivors back on the colonies. Like Anders and his group survived, there have to be pockets of survivors on all the planets. Maybe they'll go back for them...

[s0ss]

Remember that there are probaby still human survivors back on the colonies. Like Anders and his group survived, there have to be pockets of survivors on all the planets. Maybe they'll go back for them...

This is a very good point. Plus the scope of how many cylons exist is unknown. There must be more than the ones who follow Cavil and the ones who alligned with Galactica.

It's completely impossible to speculate with any kind of certainty. Theres definitely more happening that the Cylons and Humans have any knowledge about.

[bradtem]

Problem is we're not Cylons. On our planet, we have fossils and geological evidence going back billions of years, and an interconnected web of life that ties us to all the other life forms that have been here all this time.

Trust me, thousands of creationists have tried every way they can imagine to shoehorn their "plot" where people on Earth came from an Ark. It can't be done, not for this Earth. They have really, really tried and because of that, scientists have wasted a lot of time to try to explain just how that plot can't work.

For an alternate Earth, that has no New York or anything else of our Earth, sure, but what's the point.

[empathy44]

I'm beginning to wonder if they are all going to end up being reborn/resurrected as "pure and innocent children"--with Hera as the babysitter.

"Battlestar Babies--The Next Generation"

[Hofner1962]

Supposed to be 'naturalistic'.

I've always thought this meant that everyone was supposed to be naked. :lol:

[BSGfan-atic]

icklepants wrote:

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Originally Posted by Prolescum http://www.battlestarforum.com/images/battlestar/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?p=52223#post52223)
You can't start a civilisation with three people, even if two of them are women. *sigh*

Technicaly you can as long as they're all about fourteen and the women spend their lives up the duff or giving birth. I wouldn't be that interested to be fair though.

I bet you wouldn't say that if "The Towel" was involved! ;)

[ghostofwilwheaton]

Ok here is what seems to be the most logical explanation and possible ending without mention of Daniel.
with a great influence from pendakar here:
http://battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?p=52425#post52425

So Humans evolved on our Earth and left for Kobol for some reason these humans created synthetic beings.

These synthetic beings either developed resurection technology or were given it by the Humans from Earth(Lords of Kobol).

The thirteenth colony left for a planet they called "earth"(but really was some other nearby planet)

The twelve colonies left and called themselves humans settling other planets, perhaps they had never adopted resurection like their thirteenth tribe cousins.

The Lords of Kobol(original humans) had vastly superior technology and were able to project into the minds of the FF on "Earth2" warnings of apocalypse from cylons they had created. Also they inspire Anders to compose "all along the watchtower"

While on Caprica one of the LoK has a child Kara, teaches her "all along the watchtower" thus Kara is a half LoK human/12colonies human. They are the ones that resurect Kara.

All the events that transpire from the initial exodus from Kobol are influenced by "head" LoK messengers that have been leading the cylons and 12 colonies humans to work together.

Just as the LoK had created their synthetic beings 12colonies humans and earth2 cylons, each of these had created synthetic life of their own "toasters" and S7 "skinjobs".

Ultimately the head characters will lead the fleet to the real earth through code embedded in the music through the half breeds Kara(LoK/12colonies) and Hera(cylon/12colonies). The notes is a starchart or something of the kind.

The end goal being all life melding to one indistinguishable society.

Don't think I left anything out.

[mcstarbuck]

I think all of this is happening in Starbucks head. Starbuck is the "One". She is the original cylon. She is trying, or being thought, to come to terms with human and cylon living as equals the only way a new technological lifeform can, by running a type of 'moral' software program on herself. This enables all her thoughts to be personified and act against each other, "battling" it out trying to reconcile her own prejudices before she can be deemed to have true moral feelings about the world around her. Every time up to this point, her decision at the end of the cycle remains for the cylons and the humans to separate and live apart - therefore causing the cycle to restart as her prejudices are still there, and carrying knowledge from one cycle to the next using, in our(cycles) case the final five.

[Zlaticko]

The 'Shall we play a game?' theory?

[bradtem]

I think all of this is happening in Starbucks head. Starbuck is the "One"..


It's all in Starbuck's head? I think it's safe to say Ron Moore would not be able to feel safe on the streets if that's how it ends.

[weedkiller]

The 'Shall we play a game?' theory?


Frakin Mathew Broderick started this whole thing. It's comming together now.

[Viper Medic]

The most probable ending is for settlement on some world together and all of the civilization will blend together to later become the " human " race aka us. It follows the sociological viewpoint if everyone just getting along, world peace, and us all being one race no matter what our origins are. Plus it's the most logical conclusion that the show has been pushing towards. Ergo, Anders' statement to the other three to stay with the fleet, that the miracle was just beginning and it was happenning in the fleet. And the only " miraculous " change had been the alliance of the humans and the cylon rebels and the fact that both hold Hera as the future for all of their survival. The new eries is full of religious undertones, just like TOS was and it seems to reason that there will be some type of " garden of eden " ending to it all.

[Capedia]

http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2007/12/planning-for-apocalypse-minimum-viable.html

MVP is the minimum number of healthy surviving individuals that would maximise long term survival of the population without excessive loss of genetic variability through genetic drift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift)--without losing evolutionary potential. The safest estimate of MVP is approximately 10,000 individualsThe RTF is getting pretty close.

Or end up as an underground civilisation like in the film Haemoglobin, one of the legendary films of all time. It was called Bleeders in the US and I don't htink I've laughed so openly at a film in my life, I highly recommend it. As long as you realise it's so crap it's a work of genius.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119279/

Interesting to look at the writing filmography of Dan O’Bannon (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0639321/). He starts off great — his second feature is Alien — and then steadily gets worse and worse, culminating in Bleeders and Alien vs. Predator.

Many people around here seem to think RDM is following a similar pattern.