Caprica and "The Soldiers of One"

[13th_Cylon]

I want to theorise on what we know about the Caprica and the Soldiers of One cult to ask questions about BSG's ending.

It seems that this cult may be the origins of the cylons agro (australian slang for aggravation) toward humanity and its many false gods. If the resurected Zoe-R has inherited both her fathers computers skills and retained her extreme religious views then she looks likely to be a major player in the cylon plan.

Was the destruction of the 12 colonies a religious act set up by Sister Clarice and Zoe-R? .... to rid humanity of the many false gods?

Is Zoe-R alive today? Is she actually Laura Roslin? Is Zoe-R and Laura Roslin one and the final cylon? Is this how RDM gets around the Last Supper picture and Laura being the final cylon? YES YES YES commander !

Does Laura Roslin die (fullfilling the prophecy) and download "into one of those young cylon bodies?" -->>>> Could she look like Zoe-R again??? That would make us watch Carpica. (and series only get approved for production if people watch it)

How does this relate to the Final Five having been to earth? How the frak do i know.......

[Neakal]

Except RDM has already said that characters from Caprica would not be appearing in BSG and the ending of BSG is not directly related (of course 2nd degree connections like Adama involvement and the creation of Cylons are unavoidable) to the events that occur in Caprica. Therefore having Zoe as Roslin would enter his "not going to happen" category as would Sister Clarice's "plan".

[13th_Cylon]

Well i agree that saying Zoe is Roslin is sheer speculation in the spirit and fun of theorising. However I don't think from my readings of RDM's interviews that you could rule out Zoe is Roslin. They are different characters and there would not be any Zoe in BSG.

The fact that BSG only goes 4 seasons is due to a lack of patronage of viewers, so it is logical that RDM would use some hook at the end of BSG to point us to Caprica. Making Laura Roslin a resurrected Zoe would be perfect. Maybe the Zoe-R in Caprica developes a relationship with William Adama (a younger toyboy....very hollywood) and suggests the link between BSG William Adama and Laura Roslin. Who knows.....sheer speculation.....isnt this what these threads are about?

The Caprica society 50 years earlier that BSG is suggested as being more modern.....maybe the space travel and navigation was more advanced and some convert operation to Earth was achieved.

There needs to be a link between the following ideas that have been confirmed

(1) Cylons were created only since the time of the Caprica series.

(2) The F5 cylons have been to Earth. (that means they have travelled there in the last 50 years)

(3) The one god theology of the cylons is driving the cylon plan against humanity. ( i think the Soldiers of one cult will be the origin of this)


Anything else is sheer speculation :p

[BSGfan-atic]

13th_Cylon,

Some very interesting ideas, but I would expect an ancient and haggard Zoe-R in a tank someplace before thinking of Laura Roslin as a resurrected Zoe-R. However, what about a daughter... In "Faith," Laura shares a vision with the dying women in the bed next to her. In that vision, she sees her mother waiting for her on the banks of the river. That might be a more plausible connection, IMHO. Of course, both of us are stuck, as Neakal pointed out above,
Except RDM has already said that characters from Caprica would not be appearing in BSG and the ending of BSG is not directly related (of course 2nd degree connections like Adama involvement and the creation of Cylons are unavoidable) to the events that occur in Caprica. Therefore having Zoe as Roslin would enter his "not going to happen" category as would Sister Clarice's "plan".

Both of us will probably have to put our thinking caps on again, but your avatar already has his on, I see. Cool avatar, by the way. Where is it from?

[genji2000]

Yeah, what Neakal said. There's no connection.

[13th_Cylon]

Hi BSGfan-atic

Before becoming the 13th cylon...i used to moonlight as a Goa-uld on Stargate SG1. Thanks for your thoughts re my theories.

[Prolescum]

There needs to be a link between the following ideas that have been confirmed

(1) Cylons were created only since the time of the Caprica series.
Where/when was this confirmed?

(2) The F5 cylons have been to Earth. (that means they have travelled there in the last 50 years)
Or that they come from there.

(3) The one god theology of the cylons is driving the cylon plan against humanity. ( i think the Soldiers of one cult will be the origin of this)
I think it's a part of the reasoning for the destruction of the colonies, but it's deeper than 'God told me to do it'

Anything else is sheer speculation :plike the above numbered points.
Also, from memory, it is Zoe's boyfriend who's the monotheist, (responsible for the explosion that kills her), not her. I do agree that the cult is connected to the Cylons, but not sure if it was a direct influence.

Edit
It's not Roslin, man.

[timbo]

Hi BSGfan-atic

Before becoming the 13th cylon...i used to moonlight as a Goa-uld on Stargate SG1. Thanks for your thoughts re my theories.

Are you sure it´s not Ming the Merciless?

[Prolescum]

Or Fu Man Chu...

[Neakal]

Both of us will probably have to put our thinking caps on again, but your avatar already has his on, I see. Cool avatar, by the way. Where is it from?

http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/4/42/Final_Five.jpg

I know they are standins but I still like that picture a lot.

[13th_Cylon]

Hi prolescum, thanks for your thoughts, i do love this theorising thing it kind of enhances the BSG experience. Just think if there was no break in season 4 all the fun would be over now. Heres some thought to your replies ,


(1) Cylons were created only since the time of the Caprica series. Where/when was this confirmed?

The battlestar wiki pages tells us Caprica is a prequel to the re-imagined series that deals with the Adama and Graystone families on the planet Caprica and the invention of the Cylons.

It seems to suggest the creation of the Cylons happens during this period

(2) The F5 cylons have been to Earth. (that means they have travelled there in the last 50 years) Or that they come from there.

How can they come from there when they were created on Caprica as per point 1?


(3) The one god theology of the cylons is driving the cylon plan against humanity. ( i think the Soldiers of one cult will be the origin of this) I think it's a part of the reasoning for the destruction of the colonies, but it's deeper than 'God told me to do it'

and

Also, from memory, it is Zoe's boyfriend who's the monotheist, (responsible for the explosion that kills her), not her. I do agree that the cult is connected to the Cylons, but not sure if it was a direct influence.


It's hard not to think that the main drive of the Cylons is their monotheistic belief that pushes them to kill their evil polytheistic parents (humans). I think it is as simple as "yes our god wants us to do this"
With the new Caprica series introducing the Soldiers of One as a extremeist monotheistic religious cult along with the link (graystones) to cybernetics its hard not to think that this is the origin of the cylons and their religious programming.


By the way, the final cylon is Laura Roslin

[Chiefchess]

I've seen pictures of the actress scheduled to play Zoe for "Caprica." Unless they change her appearance for the show, I would say that Zoe looks remarkably like the 6 models (bleach blonde hair, high checkbones, thin, light skin, etc.). Also, according to patriot.com, Zoe is extremely devoted to the idea of the one true god (a possible connection to head 6 perhaps).
From what I've been able to find out, it seems that Zoe's boyfriend also survived on a downloaded version (courtesy of Sister Willow). From the spoilers I have read, it seems that Zoe's boyfriend has no problem using violence to get what he wants. Sounds like Cavil, doesn't it?
As to the final cylon, who knows, but I don't think it will be Roslin.

[13th_Cylon]

yes the actress who plays Zoe should be good for ratings.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Sure, nudity. Great for ratings.

[pagad]

Actually this sort of thing is making me less and less optimistic about Caprica, if it's going to exist merely to "explain" the Cylons. :(

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

It'll do more than that. ;-)

[pagad]

What I'm most worried about I think is that we might not see something that could be classed as sci-fi at all. Take the proto-Cylons out (I wish they'd just leave 'em as toasters tbh, not these neo-skinjobs...) and we might end up with another run-of-the-mill drama show. I hope that they'll at least acknowledge that this is an advanced space-faring society...

[13th_Cylon]

You may be right.

It could be like Jericho....it was cool when it was about a foreign power destroying the USA through secretly deployed nukes but who cares about the love life of emily and roger? who cares if Johnston Green is mayor or not? .......not me...........

lets keep the SCI in FI for Caprica.

[Prolescum]

Hi prolescum, thanks for your thoughts, i do love this theorising thing it kind of enhances the BSG experience. Just think if there was no break in season 4 all the fun would be over now. Heres some thought to your replies ,
The battlestar wiki pages tells us
It seems to suggest the creation of the Cylons happens during this period
How can they come from there when they were created on Caprica as per point 1?
and
It's hard not to think that the main drive of the Cylons is their monotheistic belief that pushes them to kill their evil polytheistic parents (humans). I think it is as simple as "yes our god wants us to do this"
With the new Caprica series introducing the Soldiers of One as a extremeist monotheistic religious cult along with the link (graystones) to cybernetics its hard not to think that this is the origin of the cylons and their religious programming.


By the way, the final cylon is Laura Roslin

I don't have time for a full retort, but try this (http://battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=1743&highlight=spoiler). You have to read the whole thread.

[13th_Cylon]

i don't seem to have access to that page.

[pagad]

i don't seem to have access to that page.

That's because the Season 4 Spoilers sub-forum is only open to those who want access to it to avoid people seeing spoilers that they don't neccessarily want to see. You'll need to go into your user control panel to obtain access for it.

[Prolescum]

@13th-_Cylon.
Sorry, realised I was late for work and didn't think it through properly. As they say in America, (so I'm told), it's my bad.

[13th_Cylon]

@13th-_Cylon.
Sorry, realised I was late for work and didn't think it through properly. As they say in America, (so I'm told), it's my bad.

They say it here too....for ages i was saying.."your bad what????"

Anyway i checked out my control settings and i couldnt find anything relevant to allowing me to access the spoiler page. Some more info would be appreciated ...sorry for being so slow.

[genji2000]

It's in User CP / Group Membership. You need to join the relevant group to get permissions to access the Spoiler sub-forums.