A theory on the show's ending.

[Adasel]

Hi again all.
As previously posted I have noticed several links between BSG and Blade Runner (BR). However, I belive that this is more than a coincidence and more than just paying homage. I feel that Ron Moore is planning to take the show in a similar direction.

Lets first look at just a few similarities.
The frequent use of the term "skinjob"
The fact that Edward James Olmos was handpicked because he was in BR.
Caprica Six plays an integral part in the show.
Finally, the replicants in BR are called "Nexus 6".
(can you see what I did there?:D)

okay so here is my theory, i know its probably got holes, but its just a theory...

The final cylon is somebody on earth.

Now that the resurrection HUB has been destroyed, each and every cylon will just die, no more resurrection.
This would be relevant to BR, as Roy Battys replicant is the "leader" and he just dies on the rooftop.
After the final cylon has been revealed, Thrace will do something to cause his/her death.
The hybrid has told her that she is the harbinger of death.
I can only assume this means that she is in some way responsible for the destruction of earth the last time she went there, OR she will be the end of the Cylon leader/race?.

The role that Thrace plays I think is a lot more complex than the revelation of the the final cylon.
As she has already been to earth, I think in some way she is responsible for its destruction and complications will arise due to this.
Lets not forget that the hybrid told her she is the harbinger of death.

As for baltars place in all this, he will be responsible for the ending of the human race, as told to him by his imaginary Caprica 6.
I think, also like BRs ending, there will be two survivors, a human and cylon.
These two will head off into who knows where and through them in generations to come it will all happen again, just in a slightly different way.
"all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again".

Please feel free to add any comments or ideas.

[13th_Cylon]

Hi Adasel

I like your theory.

My thoughts added are as follows ,

The humans now, are the previous "cycle" of cylons that lost their ability to ressurect just as the "now cylons" have since the destruction of the ressurection hub. Note the ressurection hub which essentially allowed them to live forever was destroyed by lying and cheating between themselves. This is similar to the concept of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden who received a death sentence from God due to sin (ie selfishness lying cheating etc etc). So i can see the end episode will be the destruction of all humanity completely and the last shots of BSG will be 2 baby cylon/humans with no memory of the past that grow up in a new Eden somewhere on Earth and start it all again.

[Adasel]

Thanks 13th_cylon.
I agree with your idea on the Adam and Eve subject.
I always felt that the last two surviviors would be Adama and Roslin.
"adam?"
Considering their recent love development it obviously has some part to play in upcoming epsidoes.

[Osprey]

not sure i can buy a literal adam and eve ending ...

tho i'd have a better chance of doing so if hera and nicky would be the couple [tho that begins to stink of a bad remake of "blue lagoon"] than bill and laura, since we can presume hera and nicky could at least someday procreate ...

[13th_Cylon]

Yes i like that idea that Adama and Roslin are the only 2 left that procreate to start it all over again. Despite Roslin being oldish, there are many biblical accounts of women as old as 90 giving birth such as Abraham and Sarah. Incidently the name "Sarah" means "woman of high rank". Isnt Laura Roslin a woman of high rank?

A quick google of the word Adam suggest a link to the meaning "RED" ("blood in the face"). This would suggest his "human" side. The name Roslin also has a link to the word Red ie "Red Haired". This would suggest her cylon side as the colour red is always linked to cylons (ie the red eye on the centurions and ships, also Numbers 6's dress)

So i think Adama is the last human (who would incidently become the first Adam as in biblical ideas) and Roslin is the final cylon (and in classic cylon sense she will deceive adam and it will all start again).

I also see clearly Roslin in one of D'Annas sketches of the final five.

[Osprey]

"I also see clearly Roslin in one of D'Annas sketches of the final five"

yeah, i know, i've done nothing so far to dissuade you from that ...
:-)

/so between hera, nicky, capsix & saul's kid, and the "issac" baby to spring forth from bill and laura the future of all races shall be? i could possibly go for that ...

[13th_Cylon]

So say we all !
If osprey could "possibly" go for that then RDM's secret is over. He has 5 months to rewrite the ending and re film it.
So say we all!
So say we all!

[13th_Cylon]

oh let me throw this in.......

I predict just prior to the end there will be a marriage between Adama and Roslin......this will make Roslin an Adama and fulfull Leoben's prophecy.

[genji2000]

Watch it, fellers. This is dangerously close to becoming a 'shipper thread. Tone it down, please.

[Adasel]

Umm, precisely what IS a 'shipper thread??.
I didnt realise there were rules for being careful on BSG subjects.
Osprey, as for the hera storyline, I reckon that it will be Adama's and Roslins role in the scheme of things as the last two survivors, to help raise the new spieces of human/cylon hybrid.
I just cant see Roslin being the final cylon. Ron moore has already stated that the final cylon is someone who has not appeared in the infamous Last Supper picture.
Plus, D'anna has clearly stated that the final cylon is not part of the fleet in the episode where she is resurrected after being "boxed".
If someone could sticky the episode title that would be a great help, cheers!.

[13th_Cylon]

From a mild google of "shipper thread" it seems to relate to the prediction of 2 people forming a relationship. Ive seen it in stargate (ie mitchel/vala) also previously in BSG (starbuck/anders), Atlantis (shepherd/teyla)

Maybe the problem is that the thread started with the topic of the shows ending but now changing to love predictions. More info would be appreciated as I would not like to offend anyone in this cool forum.

[BSGfan-atic]

Interesting ideas here. I think Adam means something like "man of red earth," or something like that. With all of the analysis of names (Inviere, Dualla, etc) that has gone on, let us not forget Adama.

But back to the end of the series. In some interviews, hasn't it come out that there is some large battle on the ground? I seem to remember reading Tricia Helfer as saying something about getting to shoot some really big guns. I so want to see that scene! Sarah Connor, you got nothin' on Six! She owns this joint!

While the area they have landed in seems devoid of life, that doesn't mean that there can't be survivors in other places, much as Anders and his pyramid team survived in the mountains on Caprica. Perhaps the battle is sparked by what the survivors have to say?

[genji2000]

From a mild google of "shipper thread" it seems to relate to the prediction of 2 people forming a relationship. Ive seen it in stargate (ie mitchel/vala) also previously in BSG (starbuck/anders), Atlantis (shepherd/teyla)

Maybe the problem is that the thread started with the topic of the shows ending but now changing to love predictions. More info would be appreciated as I would not like to offend anyone in this cool forum.

I was kidding - don't worry about it. We don't do 'shipper threads on this forum (scifi.com is full of them). This thread came amusingly close to being a Bill/Laura 'shipper.

[Osprey]

Did I MISS the no 'shipper thread memo?


/but we can still lust after Sharon, right? toss me some consolation here!
:-)
:-)

[genji2000]

Did I MISS the no 'shipper thread memo?

I don't think there are rules against it, I just think it's beneath us.

/but we can still lust after Sharon, right? toss me some consolation here!
:-)
:-)

We can respectfully admire Sharons from afar.

What do you want - a Sharon/Osprey 'shipper thread?

[Osprey]

"Sharon/Osprey 'shipper thread?"

Gods, do i come across as THAT pathetic?
:-0

[genji2000]

Anyway... I doubt we'll see Adama and Roslin get hitched. It's all about the parents dying to make way for the new generation.

[Osprey]

"It's all about the parents dying to make way for the new generation."

yeah, they have been hitting that one pretty hard lately, huh?

[Acheron]

That would be to depressing if it ended with all the humans dying. I want a happy ending :)

[genji2000]

Wrong show.

I'm sure there'll be an element of hope at the end but it's unlikely to include the majority of the cast.

[Adasel]

Also genji, have you noticed the sudden lack of emotion at the beginning of season 4?. I mean, the lack of human drama that made season 1-3 so addictive.
It's almost like they are preparing us for the worst....

[13th_Cylon]

Still having more visions , i must cut back on the kamala.

Ok the final 5 have been to earth so........

I think it means that we may find that President Laura Roslin was also the last President of the USA and along with her 4 buddies (Vice President Saul etc ?) participated in the nuclear holecaust.

The "plan" was always for the cylons to destroy all humanity so during the last 40 years they located earth and infiltrated its politics leading to its destruction. Possibly earth is the cylon home world.

Then the cylons returned their attention back to the 12 colonies and carried out the destruction of those colonies. Now Roslin (as the final cylon) is returning to earth (cylon home world) bringing the remnant of humanity to act as slaves and to serve the cylons.

Somehow the humans revolt and overpower the cylons and it all starts new.




Somehow one must get around the Last Supper picture exclusing Roslin. Maybe RDM is using misdirection by later tellling us the Roslin in the picture was a copy and not the real Roslin. maybe.

[Acheron]

Wrong show.

I'm sure there'll be an element of hope at the end but it's unlikely to include the majority of the cast.

You might be wrong.

[Osprey]

perhaps, but 4 seasons' worth of genocide, pain, loss, separation, and cast exits PLUS statements by grace, ejo, etc. would put the possiblity of that anywhere from "low" to "very low"
[!]

[genji2000]

You might be wrong.

You might be right, but I don't think we'll get many survivors in terms of main characters.

[Acheron]

Well that sucks. Hopefully the endings decent and closes everything up.

[genji2000]

Well that sucks. Hopefully the endings decent and closes everything up.

According to the actors' comments on the ending that's just what happens. Words like "peace" and "closure" were used.

[Neakal]

But that still doesn't necessarily imply a "happy" ending. Its just one that provides closure.

[genji2000]

But that still doesn't necessarily imply a "happy" ending.

No, quite right. It means the characters' stories are completed rather than leaving (significant) unanswered questions behind.

[djsunyc]

Hi Adasel

I like your theory.

My thoughts added are as follows ,

The humans now, are the previous "cycle" of cylons that lost their ability to ressurect just as the "now cylons" have since the destruction of the ressurection hub. Note the ressurection hub which essentially allowed them to live forever was destroyed by lying and cheating between themselves. This is similar to the concept of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden who received a death sentence from God due to sin (ie selfishness lying cheating etc etc). So i can see the end episode will be the destruction of all humanity completely and the last shots of BSG will be 2 baby cylon/humans with no memory of the past that grow up in a new Eden somewhere on Earth and start it all again.

i think it'll be something like that.

i think the centurians, now that they have awareness, will rebel against the skin jobs and the fleet and the war will start all over again. cavil looks at them as slaves. and six had to say "please."

the 12 cylon models will represent the next generation of the 12 colonies. the 13th colony of the next generation of earth will be hera. making the planet they are on now the new kobol. and it will all cycle again...as the centurians (after the next war) will evolve and start this whole process again.

kara thrace is the harbinger of death b/c she will do something that will cause the centurians to rebel. maybe bringing everyone to earth (or wherever they are in that wasteland) will be the trigger to cause the centurian uprising.

all of it has happened before and it will happen again...

[smelly_feet]

That would be to depressing if it ended with all the humans dying. I want a happy ending :)

Like a BSG the musical type ending?? hehe just kidding.

Well that sucks. Hopefully the endings decent and closes everything up.

people who've read the script assured us that's exactly what the ending would provide for us.

[Fortune]

Here's one idea that would be mind-bending.


So the cliff-hanger left us – the viewers – on a burnt out, post nuclear earth. Civilization is presumably destroyed on Earth just in time for the refugees of the twelve colonies to arrive. But what if the civilization that has been destroyed was not our own? What if the burnt out buildings were not from this era of human history? What if this nuclear war took place in Earth's ancient past?


You don't have to believe that really happened for this scenario to be pretty interesting:


What if the Earth humans are pretty much wiped out by the time the BSG humans show up. Isolated pockets survive but won't form societies again for a few hundred years. Meanwhile, the Cylons and Humans settle on Earth, determined to make it their home.


The humans bring their technology and found a society on the island continent which they name Atlantis. The Cylons are with them for a time until there is a falling out. The centurions are phased out or destroy each other while the Cylon humanoids found Lemuria.


The rest is history. Or myth. You decide.


I'm not predicting that this is how the plot will go because I really don't think the writers have thought of this. I'm just thinking that the show's religious thread's similarity to Greek mythology would be well explained if we were to discover that it was a precursor to the Greek's, rather than just a parallel.

[Wouter]

So the cliff-hanger left us – the viewers – on a burnt out, post nuclear earth. Civilization is presumably destroyed on Earth just in time for the refugees of the twelve colonies to arrive.
Why do you presume that? By the level of radioactivity (they are just standing there, without protection), it's quite clear that the nukes went off a long time ago. Not quite sure how long ago, but not just in time for the refugees to arrive - it was probably at least dozens of years ago.

[thevarrior]

Why do you presume that? By the level of radioactivity (they are just standing there, without protection), it's quite clear that the nukes went off a long time ago. Not quite sure how long ago, but not just in time for the refugees to arrive - it was probably at least dozens of years ago.
My guess is, probably a few decades ago, if not more than a hundred years. The radioactivity still seemed quite strong in the soil. But the sky wasn't covered with a layer of yellow dust.

[Neakal]

What thewarrior and Wouter said. Most analysis and observations I read (and my own observations as well) put the Nuclear War on Earth from a few decades to a century or two.

Kobol, which was also implied to have been devastated by a nuclear war ("The Blaze", "...it (Kobol) seems to have suffered a calamity but the ecosystem has recovered") was back to being a fully (or mostly) habitable world by the time Colonials arrived by which it has been 2000-4000 years since the aforementioned Blaze.

I already mentioned this in the Revelations review that the book "The World Without Us" and the documentary "Life After Humans" give a pretty good idea on how long it takes civilisation to disappear and ecosystems to recover from human influence once humans are gone.

[Fortune]

Hm...

I guess I'm surprised that you guys got sidetracked by my poor choice of words. My theory doesn't depend on whether the BSG crew arrived on Earth within days of the nuclear holocost. They could have arrived years later or centuries later for that matter.

Neakal, Right on! I was thinking of the documentary you mentioned, "Life After the People" as well.

My theory is simply this: after a nuclear war that devastates most of Earth's civilization, the BSG humans establish a colony on Earth. So do the Cylons.

The Human colony is Atlantis. The Cylon's is Lemuria.

This places the whole BSG timeline in ancient history. It places the nuclear war in even more ancient history.

I thought that would be pretty mind-bending.

[matt4848]

Sarah Connor, you got nothin' on Six! She owns this joint!

No one beats Connor. She is just to badass. Not even Six. Connor is classic.

Hm...

I guess I'm surprised that you guys got sidetracked by my poor choice of words. My theory doesn't depend on whether the BSG crew arrived on Earth within days of the nuclear holocost. They could have arrived years later or centuries later for that matter.

Neakal, Right on! I was thinking of the documentary you mentioned, "Life After the People" as well.

My theory is simply this: after a nuclear war that devastates most of Earth's civilization, the BSG humans establish a colony on Earth. So do the Cylons.

The Human colony is Atlantis. The Cylon's is Lemuria.

This places the whole BSG timeline in ancient history. It places the nuclear war in even more ancient history.

I thought that would be pretty mind-bending.

My only problem with this whole thing is, if it is in our past something from Real Life earth, would have to corralate to this. You cant just have a nuclear war, 250,000,000 years in the past, and not have some sign of it.

Proof proves Dinsaurs are very very old and we still have fossils. *unless you believe they 'god' testing us...............* (not to start reglious flames)

[lkool]

not so much how but what:
My Theory:
We are all Cylons. It will turn out that all humans are cylons.
It has all happened before and it will all happen again...

[Prolescum]

Well done. Welcome to the forum, Ikool.

[mfreeman73]

I tend to lean that direction also. I think the only original humans are the Lords of Kobol.

[Batman316]

not so much how but what:
My Theory:
We are all Cylons.

Then what was the point?

[Pnutmaster]

My Theory:
We are all Cylons. It will turn out that all humans are cylons.
It has all happened before and it will all happen again...

"All humans" being us? BSG occurs in the past? Me no like.

[tjerick1]

"Galactica" will be blown in the final assault. They will rescue Hera. They will go through that black hole in the Base Star and find modern day Earth. Anders will help them with the jump (given his new hybrid status), but die in the process. They will present themselves as refuges (Cylons and humans alike) and settle on Earth in peace. We (modern day Earth) will dissect the base star and discover Cylon technology, and create centurion like beings - thus starting the process all over again. The final shot will likely be a roving red eye. Ominous, no?

Anders will die. Rosalind will die.

The following relationships will be established - Boomer and Chief, Caprica 6 and Baltar (who will join the assault), Starbuck and Lee, and Helo and Athena.

Oh also, that blind date Rosalind goes on will be with the man that killed her family, but she will forgive him, more or less, thus cementing the show's themes.

[Pnutmaster]

The Black Hole will be used in one of two ways:

1) Cheap transportation
2) Garbage shredder

I highly doubt it would teleport the Fleet to Modern Earth, of all places.

[lkool]

"All humans" being us? BSG occurs in the past? Me no like.

It doesn't mean that BSG occurs in the past.

It just means that we are all Cylons. It is not far off what could have really happened in Human history. Our Bodies are basically machines, our minds computers. The machine you are using right now is so primitive it is pathetic, Think about where computers where 10 years ago, the first electronic computer was not tested until 1942, and it was pretty unusable. think of where technology will lead us in 1000 years.

[Zod]

It doesn't mean that BSG occurs in the past.

It just means that we are all Cylons. It is not far off what could have really happened in Human history. Our Bodies are basically machines, our minds computers. The machine you are using right now is so primitive it is pathetic, Think about where computers where 10 years ago, the first electronic computer was not tested until 1942, and it was pretty unusable. think of where technology will lead us in 1000 years.

Better special effects? faster and more reliable internet connections? one trick robot ponies? the human race wont be here in 1000 years.

I hope we aren't all cylons. There would be no cycle of human/cylon war, destruction, chase and rebirth if it was cylon against cylon. Actually. I hope we are all cylons. End the misery.

Oh, and welcome to the Forum BTW. Dont ever listen to a word Prolescum says. Be fruitful and eat your greens.

[Pnutmaster]

RDM is a Cylon. They never had a plan.

[number13]

It doesn't mean that BSG occurs in the past.

It just means that we are all Cylons. It is not far off what could have really happened in Human history. Our Bodies are basically machines, our minds computers.

This is kinda my underlying thought.... But what if.... Humans on earth had evolved into skinjobs as a means of prolonging life. Say for instance, as technology progressed, people began to augment their bodies, and possibly created resurection and organic memory transfer as a means of becoming immortal. And thats where skinjobs came from, and why earth is populated by cylons. I have ideas for further connections, but I havent made any that work... And with nearly 24 hours left to wait, im inclined to not waste my time trying to figure it out. Especially since im also pretty sure that isnt the case at all...


The machine you are using right now is so primitive it is pathetic, Think about where computers where 10 years ago, the first electronic computer was not tested until 1942, and it was pretty unusable. think of where technology will lead us in 1000 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_computing

Were closing in on something along those lines already... I dont even think we can conceive of where (or if :lol: ) we might be in 100 years, let alone 1000.

[Batman316]

RDM is a Cylon. They never had a plan.

They did have a plan. The plan was to make everyone think there was a plan so when it's revealed there is no plan we'd try and look for a plan. Even with all the evidence against said Plan, there has to be one and people will spend time looking for it.

The Plan worked!

[Prolescum]

Dont ever listen to a word Prolescum says.
Up yours, Zod.
Don't ignore that.

[Howard Nowlan]

i think the centurians, now that they have awareness, will rebel against the skin jobs and the fleet and the war will start all over again. cavil looks at them as slaves. and six had to say "please."

And there's a perfect device in place to cause this - Anders merging with Galactica!
Recall what happened last time he engaged the Cylons in battle?
Will he use the 'signal' that Kara has been feeding him (and, apparently, Hera has recorded somehow in her DNA) to trigger this?

all cycle again...as the centurians (after the next war) will evolve and start this whole process again.

The next 'phase' has to involve Baltar and head 6 in some fashion - actually saving Hera? That seems to have been head 6's goal all along.

kara thrace is the harbinger of death

My guess is that this relates to ending what remains of the old human regime, because she is also one of the 'children' of Adama, and my guess is that the remainder of colonial humanity have a different destiny, probably on the other side of the spacial anomaly. Perhaps they go back to an earlier time...Kobol itself, and actually become the original lords and their minions...

[Zod]

Don't ignore that.

you talking to me?

[Boberino56]

I too think the colonials are all Cylons -- Baltar survived the Caprica attack even though he would have obviously been killed in the blast (with Six), Kara was obviously killed and found by Kara on Earth.

David E. once said his favorite Sci-fi mvie when he grew up was Blade Runner, and Deckard turned out to be a replicant (who also seemed "more human than human" at times)... Sweet irony is left -- and the message is that we're all more alike than we are different, so love thy enemy as thyself.

[empathy44]

Perhaps they go back to an earlier time...Kobol itself, and actually become the original lords and their minions...
I was thinking they'd become head characters, but that's even better! :thumbsup:

[thevarrior]

I was thinking they'd become head characters, but that's even better! :thumbsup:

Do they have roles to furfill?