Roslin is the Final Cylon (Theory Forum)

[jabedoben]

I can only think of 5 characters who have been there from Season 1 that would give the right kind of "gut-punch, oh shit!" reaction that the final reveal must give.

1. Bill Adama
2. Lee Adama
3. Laura Roslyn
4. Gaius Baltar
5. Kara Thrace

I just can't believe Dualla, Helo, Gaeta, Cottle, or any other character besides these 5 could produce the proper reaction in a person who has been watching the show from the beginning. If they wanted to get the proper reaction for the final reveal, and it isn't one of the five I have listed, then they would have saved Tigh for it.

The final five are from Earth, and their purpose has always been to lead humanity there. The four have not been self-aware, but have been "programmed" to help save humanity from extinction.

My gut tells me that the Final Cylon is Laura Roslyn, and I believe that she has been self-aware from the beginning.

I believe she has been self-aware because her entire purpose has been to save humanity and lead them to Earth from the very beginning, from the moment she took over as President. Every decision she has made, every "vision" she has had, has been for the survival of humanity and to find Earth.

Now, you know she couldn't come right out after the colonies were destroyed and say "Hey, I'm a Cylon. Yes, there are Cylon models who look like humans, and I am one of the fabled final five who will lead humanity to Earth." They would have airlocked her immediately. Instead, she cloaked her true nature and intentions in her Presidency and her "visions". She knew that after what humanity had just experienced, they would cling to someone with a spiritual message and follow her.

She knows that the planet they landed on in "Revelations" is Not Earth. She was thwarted in her quest by resurrected/clone Kara. She knew of the love that Bill and Lee Adama have for Kara Thrace, and knew they had to give her a chance. So, instead of trying to stop them from finding Not Earth, she went along with things, probably because she knew what they would find there.

I think that in the end, she will be revealed as the final cylon on her deathbed. She will go down in the new human history as another "Pithia" type profet who saved her people through visions and prophecy.

Then, of course, the cycle will begin again.

**I know this is kind of disjointed, but I was in a hurry.**

Flame away. :p

[genji2000]

The final five are from Earth, and their purpose has always been to lead humanity there. The four have not been self-aware, but have been "programmed" to help save humanity from extinction.

We don't know any of that. Personally I disagree - I think the purpose of the F5 is to continue the cycle of time, so therefore they need to ensure that both Cylon and human are all but wiped out. It's also possible that the F5 only came into existence in the previous cycle and for the specific purpose of breaking the cycle this time around.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

It's spelled "Roslin"... :lol:

[genji2000]

It's spelled "Roslin"... :lol:

Yeah there's too much da Vinci code on this forum. Fynal Silon my arce.

[jabedoben]

Genji were you born a dickhead? Or did someone make you that way?

[genji2000]

Genji were you born a dickhead? Or did someone make you that way?

Calm down, you said to flame it. :)

EDIT: But for the record, it may have been my ex-wife.

[Brian A. Reed]

Genji's "Final Five" :

1. Genji speaks (types) his mind.
2. Genji knows what he's talking (typing) about.
3. Genji has enough pride in himself to back up what he says (types).
4. Genji pays attention to detail - this includes the proper spelling of "Roslin."
5. Genji expects the same from everyone else.

So say we all.

[genji2000]

Genji's "Final Five" :

1. Genji speaks (types) his mind.
2. Genji knows what he's talking (typing) about.
3. Genji has enough pride in himself to back up what he says (types).
4. Genji pays attention to detail - this includes the proper spelling of "Roslin."
5. Genji expects the same from everyone else.

So say we all.

Alright, nobody's perfect. I was just saying. It wasn't even me what pointed it out. Why am I taking all Joe's flak?

[mikey728]

it could be possible. but too many things point towards that not being possible. its already been psyched out with d'anna.

We almost lost roslin 3 times during the series run. Once during fallout, the second time during the cancer's final stages. And then the third time on new caprica. I've seen the entire matrix series to know enough is enough.

Also there have been plenty of times that roslin has made direct orders towards the significant 7 that has fallen on deaf ears. Isn't it known that the significant 7 will adhere to any orders the final 5 cylons give them?

I just refuse to accept roslin adama senior and baltar as possible cylons. Actually baltar being proven to be a cylon would piss me off, why because of all people he would jump for joy if he knew he was.

Because it would an instant guilt free card for him. He would be released of all his sins and make him some type of twisted hero to the cylons. Sorry no go lol. It would be the cop out he is seeking.
With baltar i keep getting the feeling he is being prepared for something, something he'd never do if things didn't happen the way they did. To which he's already doing lol

[turkey]

It's definitely Roslin, but by process of elimination. D'Anna said that four of the final Cylons were in the fleet, and she was going to nuke every ship in it except Galactica. She wouldn't have done that if the last Cylon was in the fleet. And if the last Cylon was on Galactica, why would she have just asked for four--and burned her bridges so she'd never get the last one off Galactica.

There's no question she knows who the 5th is...because she was going to nuke the whole fleet and kill every one of her hostages--except for two, Baltar and Roslin. Baltar she likes, for some reason-- but she wasn't too concerned with him dying. And, well, she told Roslin that Roslin was a Cylon (probably to judge her reaction).

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Alright, nobody's perfect. I was just saying. It wasn't even me what pointed it out. Why am I taking all Joe's flak?

Because you do such a flaming good job at it! :thumbsup:

[timbo]

Genji were you born a dickhead? Or did someone make you that way?

Bit strong dude. I think you should apologise.

[jabedoben]

Bit strong dude. I think you should apologise.

Nah, he talks to everyone like they have a thick skin. He can have one too.

:p

[genji2000]

:cryin:

[13th_Cylon]

Hi

In season 3 episode 10 (The Passage, about 24 mins in) when D'Anna shows Gaius some sketches from her dream one has 5 faces on it of the final 5. Roslin is clearly in the centre. To the right of her is Saul and then Anders, To the left of her is Chief Tyrol and another female who must be Tory.

See for your self.

[Osprey]

a screencap might be nice to back up such a bold claim ...

[13th_Cylon]

ive uploaded the screen cap to my public profile photos

[13th_Cylon]

http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=39&pictureid=336

[Osprey]

sorry, not buying, i contend that all 5 faces are various distortions of d'anna herself ...


/hm -- tantamount to the boomer & cavil theroies -- d'anna is the final!

[genji2000]

/hm -- tantamount to the boomer & cavil theroies -- d'anna is the final!

Hush now.

I wonder if there's anything in the composition of the picture - the god-like Final Five watching over all those black stick figures.

I think the fourth face (left-to-right) has Tigh's eye sockets.

[Neakal]

Well, there was a thread in the scifi forums a long while ago based on the negative-shot of the Final Five (which occurs in a split second during the end of Six's dream at Crossroads II). One of the posters in the thread speculated that the shine on the eyes on the Final Five I marked in the picture could only come from glasses which meant that Adama and Roslin would be the immidiate candidates.

I myself am not convinced of that argument since as far as I know, they used standins for those shots but here it is.

Though the thread did convince me that what the Final Five represent, if not the Final Five themselves, is not a good thing. Either they have done something terrible (like the Hybrids suggest and Earth's state could imply) or they will lead to something terrible. But thats not the place for that.

[The Dirt]

The second one from the left looks like a stormtrooper.

Edit: Doesn't it look like there's a drawing of a stream or river on the left side of that picture?

[13th_Cylon]

Compare yourselves......Is this the face of a cylon?
http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=39&pictureid=337

[BobMacDhonnchaidh]

I've had my suspicions about Roslin since she "accidentally" missed when trying to shoot Starbuck in her quarters.

[smelly_feet]

I'm more interested in the second from left side. Who from season 1 has that funky hair style?

Anyone know when RDM decided who the final five would be? If this picture came before that then it is pretty much useless.

[13th_Cylon]

Or is this the face of a cylon...? u decide .....
http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=39&pictureid=338

[Neakal]

The one in the second (from Left) always looked to me like he has some kind of a mohawk hair to be honest.

[13th_Cylon]

Frakking cylons everywhere.....

http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=39&pictureid=339

[smelly_feet]

Or is this the face of a cylon...? u decide .....
http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=39&pictureid=338

hmmm then which image matches Anders? I'll see if I can find a picture of Baltar that matches funky hair head.

[Osprey]

"alleged laura" still looks like d'anna to me ...

"alleged galen" has a frakking mohawk ...

"alleged saul" is wearing glasses ...

/besides that mrs. lincoln, how was the play?

[13th_Cylon]

Heres frakking anders the dirty cylon he is....

http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=39&pictureid=341

[13th_Cylon]

Heres Tory, the cylon god glow got to her hair.....
http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=39&pictureid=340

[Osprey]

re: "alleged sam" the hair's off a bit but nuthin' super obvious ...

re: "alleged tory" the eye area looks way off ...

[smelly_feet]

Leoben is the only character with pointy hair head

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leoben_Conoy

[The Dirt]

Let's face it, D'Anna sucks as an artist. You would think that with all that Cylon super strength that they would give them all some artistic ability. I'm going to go with the theory that D'Anna drew herself. Lucy Lawless did say that D'Anna is the ultimate narcisist in an interview. So, why wouldn't D'Anna draw herself?

[smelly_feet]

true.
It would also explain why she stopped searching after four. Or at least seemed to.

At the end of the day, I'm still most interested in Baltar's ultimate role, whatever it is.

[The Dirt]

Baltar is like the glass that sits in front of him in the Last Supper. He is a half empty vessel. He is a tool used for a greater purpose, and that empty half is being filled by whatever divine beings have in store for him. Once that role is over, his body is no longer needed. Mr. Baltar will ultimately have to die for his sins.

[genji2000]

"alleged saul" is wearing glasses ...

Or not, depending on whether you have yours on.

[Chiefchess]

I would personally love it if Roslin was a cylon. While the shock factor wouldn't be there, the idea that a cylon lead the human race to Earth is the ultimate irony.
Unforunately, we have a problem. Recall the very last episode of season 3 (The episode where 4 of the F5 are revealed to us). If you recall, Athena, Caprica, and Roslin share a vision about the Opera House. In that vision, Athena and Roslin are shut out of the Opera House, yet Caprica sees the F5 on the balcony inside. Unless there was another way in, it seems unlikely that Roslin is the final cylon.
This doesn't automatically rule Roslin out. How many of us just KNEW that Saul could not be a cylon? But it is still a problem I hope the writers of BSG will explain if they make Roslin the last cylon.

[Osprey]

they won't have to explain it, cause she ain't it ...

[stavrosg]

they won't have to explain it, cause she ain't it ...
Unless you actually know the fifth, this kind of statement way too bold.
Given RDM's previous track record that is.

[Osprey]

i don't know for sure, but i stand by it. the f4 was the shock value reveal, when it comes to the 5th, given the massively conflicting evidence we have, the shock is not going to be in the reveal but rather how the individual fits into the final human-cylon confrontation and the series end. as i've said before "it's not the who it's the what."

[smelly_feet]

I would personally love it if Roslin was a cylon. While the shock factor wouldn't be there, the idea that a cylon lead the human race to Earth is the ultimate irony.
Unforunately, we have a problem. Recall the very last episode of season 3 (The episode where 4 of the F5 are revealed to us). If you recall, Athena, Caprica, and Roslin share a vision about the Opera House. In that vision, Athena and Roslin are shut out of the Opera House, yet Caprica sees the F5 on the balcony inside. Unless there was another way in, it seems unlikely that Roslin is the final cylon.
This doesn't automatically rule Roslin out. How many of us just KNEW that Saul could not be a cylon? But it is still a problem I hope the writers of BSG will explain if they make Roslin the last cylon.

We saw Adama's reaction when he found out that Saul is a cylon, if he finds out that the woman he loves is a cylon I think his head will explode spontaneously.

[Chiefchess]

Assuming Laura is the fifth (I'm not saying she is or isn't at this point), who the heck is the dying leader? I thought the prophecy was for the dying leader to die before they reach Earth. If the prophecy is correct, then one of the following is correct:
1. Laura is the dying leader, but they haven't found Earth yet.
2. The prophecy was referring to the cylons, so Natalie was the dying leader and they did find Earth.
3. The dying leader is Starbuck (who technically did die), and they found Earth.
Am I losing my memory, or is that what the prophecy said?

[Osprey]

From the wiki, re: the dying leader -- "Elosha: She also wrote that the new leader suffered a wasting disease and would not live to enter the new land. (The Hand of God)

Roslin: The scriptures tell us a dying leader lead humanity to the promised land. (Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I)"

as you state them ANY of 1-3 could be correct, but they can't all be; matter of fact only one can be correct at most.

OR none of them are correct and the prohpecy is fulfilled in some other way OR the prophecy simply doesn't get fulfilled as we are trying to interpret it ...

[genji2000]

The prophecy doesn't mention Earth.

[Osprey]

yes, true ...

r we incorrect in the presumption that earth is the promised land?

[genji2000]

yes, true ...

r we incorrect in the presumption that earth is the promised land?

That's the question isn't it? My opinion is no, it's not. The colonials clearly think it is, which is reasonable considering the map in the Tomb of Athena pointed the way here. On the other hand they were originally just searching for somewhere to escape the Cylons, and hooking up with the Thirteenth Tribe must have seemed as good an idea as any.

It's possible that the prophecies don't consider the destination to be relevant (one man's promised land is another man's nuclear wasteland), and only foretell the journey, thus the promised land is whatever the colonials choose it to be.

[BSGfan-atic]

smelly_feet wrote:
We saw Adama's reaction when he found out that Saul is a cylon, if he finds out that the woman he loves is a cylon I think his head will explode spontaneously.

Just like that really bad movie from the '80s, "Scanners." Seriously, if it were Roslin, would it matter to him? Remember Lee's question to him about "What if it had been Zak getting out of that Viper?" Or something like that. Maybe Admiral Adama is being set up for a big surprise. Personally, I lean toward Roslin as the last of the F5, even though I remember reading disclaimers someplace. I keep thinking of her in "33," when she ordered the destruction of the Olympic Carrier just after Baltar practically screamed out "I repent!" The timing was just too neat on that one.

How about this for a theory: Head Six is actually a projection of a younger Roslin. Remember when Roslin was joking with Adama while she was getting sicker - something about coming back as "a Cylon, one of those blond models." Commander Adama responded with "I can't imagine you as a blond," and Roslin says something like "You might be surprised" or "Men have no imagination" or something. There was also a scene early in Season One where Head Six asks Baltar, as he is looking at Roslin, if he is thinking about what it would be like to sleep with her. Thoughts?

[The Dirt]

The promised land isn't a place... it's a state of mind, man!:peace:

Roslin technically didn't even lead them to Earth. They were on the path to somewhere until Starbuck intervened and had her pristine Viper lead them to the wasteland. The truth is out there, somewhere.