View Full Version : Could it be that they are all dead?
TPL2008
August 4th, 2008, 11:01 PM
And this journey to the 'promised land,' is just a test for their souls to get into a heaven of some sort?
It's a theory i've been playing with for sometime. It's the Cylons and everything Final Fivey i can't fit into it.
I mean it would be an interest, though possibly cheap, way of ending the series too. The Fleet reaches a destination and a happy one at that, but it fundamentally different because they are actually physically dead and have been so since the mini-series.
Galactica was destroyed by nuke that hit.
Helo died when his Raptor was attacked.
Baltar died when his home was destroyed.
Lee and Roslin died when the Cylons attacked Colonial One before Lee used the EMP generators.
And everything else since their deaths has been judgement on how they shepherded the 40,000 to heaven.
It's got holes in it, quite big ones but it would make us revisit the mini-series wouldn't it.
BSGfan-atic
August 4th, 2008, 11:54 PM
Anders died when his Raptor was attacked.
If Galactica was destroyed by the nuke that hit her, then Anders never would have made it to any kind of flight status, and he would have died up in the mountains, with the rest of his team where they were training.
Interesting. A kind of "The Others" feel about it. It wouldn't work though, because as theoretically interesting as it might be, it would be a cheap way to end the series. I remember when "Dallas" ended the "Who Shot J. R.?" story arc with it being another character's dream. The fans would track down and burn the houses and vehicles of the entire production staff if something like that were tried with BSG.:D
Osprey
August 5th, 2008, 01:04 AM
um, "Dallas" used the dream sequence escape to resolve Bobby's "death," which took place seasons after j.r. had been shot ...
and, fwiw, the whole "sixth sense" business implied by this theory ain't.gonna.happen.
genji2000
August 5th, 2008, 01:19 AM
It's a theory i've been playing with for sometime. It's the Cylons and everything Final Fivey i can't fit into it.
Classic.
Acheron
August 5th, 2008, 02:27 AM
Maybe it's all a dream?
Neakal
August 5th, 2008, 09:00 AM
Maybe it's all a dream?
Maybe its all a drug-trip of Bob Dylan who will sober up and come up with an idea for a new song which will, at a later date, be covered by Jimi Hendrix :thumbsup:
Interesting idea about the death thing. I had a thought of that as well. Particularly how every "death" moment was cut before the actual thing happened. (We see the nuke whiting the screen out, Same with the EMP blast in Roslin's ship. Baltar's house scene ends the moment the shockwave hits etc...) but I agree others that it won't work :)
Prolescum
August 5th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Classic.
Agreed.
I think we're taking the spiritual quest of the show a bit too seriously, of course, it'll have a conclusion and a connection with the whole plot, it'll also lead into the new show but I don't think it'll be that deep, just a revelation or two about the characters' own journeys. It's all about the spaceships.
genji2000
August 5th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Agreed.
I think we're taking the spiritual quest of the show a bit too seriously,
Maybe... I mean, yes I think you're right, but the spiritual aspect is all over this show like a bad suit. I think you're right though, those of us who are into the religious aspects will find that it's not the be all and end all.
of course, it'll have a conclusion and a connection with the whole plot, it'll also lead into the new show but I don't think it'll be that deep, just a revelation or two about the characters' own journeys.
Maybe...
It's all about the spaceships.
Right on brother. Would that it were so.
Stairway
August 5th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Maybe it's all a dream?
Well that would be neat, wouldn't it.
End scene:
"And then he woke up"
Aurora
August 5th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Maybe it's all a dream?
LOL. Maybe like the thing they did with Bob Newhart waking up next to his wife from the first series to close his second series...
On the last episode of Season 4, Richard Hatch wakes up as TOS Apollo next to Jane Seymour and says., "You'll never guess the crazy dream I just had..."
:thumbsup:
Neakal
August 5th, 2008, 07:36 PM
On the last episode of Season 4, Richard Hatch wakes up as TOS Apollo next to Jane Seymour and says., "You'll never guess the crazy dream I just had..."
:thumbsup:
TOS-Apollo: "Hey darling. I just had a dream about how the Cylon's should have destroyed the Colonies and how we should have reacted in the aftermath. Also, you were left behind in Caprica and Boxey, well, he just wasn't around after a Cylon pointed a gun at him.
Oh, and I had sex with Starbuck." :lol:
Aurora
August 5th, 2008, 09:09 PM
Oh, and I had sex with Starbuck." :lol:
Awesome.
smelly_feet
August 6th, 2008, 08:50 PM
Maybe it's all a dream?
Now that would be a classic ending. A teen boy in our time wakes up with a BSG novel in his hand. He had a dream consisting of the entire series inspired by the book he's reading.
smelly_feet
August 6th, 2008, 08:53 PM
LOL. Maybe like the thing they did with Bob Newhart waking up next to his wife from the first series to close his second series...
On the last episode of Season 4, Richard Hatch wakes up as TOS Apollo next to Jane Seymour and says., "You'll never guess the crazy dream I just had..."
:thumbsup:
It would be even better if a centurion wakes up (in a bed under blankets holding a teddy bear) and actually speaks saying "what a nightmare".
The Dirt
August 6th, 2008, 10:56 PM
I propose an amendment to your theory, which will totally recast it as a completely different theory. Everyone please feel free to add whatever pork-barrel theories you want to it. We vote at 5.
Okay, BSG has elements of the classical heroic journey. It goes a little something like this:
The traditional Hero's Journey has the following stages:
The Village (the ordinary world (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Muggles)) - the colonies/Caprica
The Herald (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Herald) brings the Call To Adventure (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CallToAdventure) - the Cylons frak things up
Answering the Call - Lets go find Earth
Receiving Supernatural Aid (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum) - Virtual Six, Pythian scrolls
Threshold Guardians (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThresholdGuardians) (Crossing the First Threshold) - battling the Cylons on Kobol
Belly Of The Whale (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BellyOfTheWhale) - New Caprica
Road of Trials, the path out of the Belly of the Whale, possibly including meetings with the following characters:
The Shapeshifter (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TricksterArchetype): someone you don't trust but nonetheless need his or her help/information - Athena
The Goddess (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoveInterests) - not applicable (maybe Starbuck?)
The Temptress (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheVamp) - Six
Atonement With the Father (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WellDoneSonGuy) - Old/young Adama relationship
Apotheosis(divinization of a person) - Cult of Baltar
Ultimate Boon: getting the reward - Earth
Refusal of the Return (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TenMinuteRetirement) - stuck on Earth?
The Return (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HesBack) / Resurrection (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BackFromTheDead) - leaving Earth
Crossing the Return Threshold - we'll see, I guess, I would guess that this is the part where a ton of people die
Freedom to Live (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoWhatDoWeDoNow) - the end of the show
In classical heroic journeys, the hero has to travel to the underworld to retrieve a long lost love. I believe that Earth is a depiction of the underworld, and the colonials are going to find something there that they "lost".
Osprey
August 7th, 2008, 04:16 AM
hm, intriguing ...
coudl the goddess be starbuck?
could the lost love be the 5th?
genji2000
August 7th, 2008, 11:28 AM
I think the lost love is the Thirteenth Tribe. But then, I would.
The traditional Hero's Journey has the following stages...
I've been reading about The Matrix (Last DVDs I'm Watching), trying to work out WTF is going on, and I saw something similar regarding Creation Stories:
Creation - fairly obvious
Exit from the Garden - first Cylon war
Quest for the Holy Grail - the interesting bit: in my mind this is the attempt to procreate by natural means, but it could also be Earth
Reunion - with mankind
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