Replace the Cylons!

[Chiefchess]

I have a new thought, and I wish to share it with the forum to get everyone's take on it. At the end of mid-season 4, we are left with the following Cylon groupings:

Anti-Human-Cylon 1 (Cavil), Cylon 4 (Simon), Cylon 5 (Doval), and Boomer (the only one of her kind in this group). Also includes the raiders (now lobotomized and thus probably not a factor, unless they somehow rebel).

Pro-Human-Cylon 2 (Leoben), Cylon 6 (Caprica), Cylon 8 (Athena), and D'anna (the only one left of her kind period). Also includes the Centurions, who now have higher intelligence and will be a force later on.

Cylon gods-Tigh, Tory, Tyrol, Anders, and unknown Fifth.

Potential 13th Cylon-The baby of Tigh and Caprica, should it survive.

I realize that you all know this already and that the above is rudundant, but please hang in there with me. The reason that I have grouped the cylons the way I did is to potentially give us a clue as to what can happen to each of them. Remember when Adama asked why the humans never asked themselves why they were worthy of survival? The grouping of the cylons could determine their own fate (which of the S7 models are worthy of survival?)

We know that D'anna will die (bye-bye to Cylon 3). However, she may have a replacement in the form of Model 13, should it survive. I feel that all the anti-human models (1, 4, and 5) will all be eventually wiped out. I feel that Boomer may defect and actually survive. I also feel that Leoben will die (probably saving Starbuck) but probably not all the Model 2s., and either Tory will die (Tyrol will probably kill her) or Anders will die (probably saving Starbuck).

The surving cylons? Model 2 (Leoben replacing Anders), Model 6 (Caprica replacing Tory), Model 8 (Boomer replacing Tyrol), Model 13 (unknown child replacing Tigh), and the unknown F5 cylon. (AKA-the NEW cylon gods).

Of course, anything is possible. One model of the anti-human group may defect (if so, my money is on Simon). The 13th model may never come to be. All of the F5 may die. All of this is possible.

However, I am convinced that the end result will see that only 5 cylon models will survive to see the end result. Alternatively, two more of the F5 could survive and there would be a new S7 group of cylons. Basically, we will see either five models survive (new F5) or seven models survive (new S7). "All this has happened before and will happen again."

[Osprey]

besides MAYBE the 3s [and i'm not yet willing to summarily count out d'anna as you are], i'm not easily seeing any scenario that causes an entire s7 line to be wiped out, so i'm having a real tough time with this whole line of thinking ...

/jus' sayin' ...

[genji2000]

Cylon gods-Tigh, Tory, Tyrol, Anders, and unknown Fifth.
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The surving cylons? Model 2 (Leoben replacing Anders), Model 6 (Caprica replacing Tory), Model 8 (Boomer replacing Tyrol), Model 13 (unknown child replacing Tigh), and the unknown F5 cylon. (AKA-the NEW cylon gods).

The Cylons have a monotheistic religion. They believe in the one true god.

I also think Starbuck is more than capable of saving (and destroying) herself.

[Neakal]

While I don't think events will fold the way you explained it, I do agree (and like) the idea of the Final Five being replaced by a new batch of Final Five who were originaly part of the Significant Seven when the Cycle begins anew.

Also gives a connection to what Leoben said in Flesh and Bone: "The actors change but the story remains the same ... maybe in another time, I was the interrogator and you (Starbuck) were the prisoner". Maybe in another Cycle another group of Cylons (or even humans) take the mantle of the Final Five while the original Final Five die ("Parents have to die so children can reach their full potential") or are simply returned to being part of the Significant Seven.

[Bureizu]

Also gives a connection to what Leoben said in Flesh and Bone: "The actors change but the story remains the same ... maybe in another time, I was the interrogator and you (Starbuck) were the prisoner"

Well for one I hate Leoben, I think his speciality is play with other people's brain (as No.1 is rational thinking and No.8 is good with technology), and I really think people take him too seriously even when we have seen him use this ability once and again for his own purposes.

Eventhough, he can tell things quite straight when he is in need.

And about this topic, I don't see the known final 4/5 dying, well except Tori... I will enjoy to see her die.

[G1692]

I think that you might be onto something about Caprica's child as so far it seems not to have been brought up much.
Also about children replacing their parents


Tigh has a child with Caprica Six
Tyrol already has a kid
Tory maybe pregnant with Baltaar's child
Anders well i dont know, the next season could see him and starbuck having a child.

Significant? I don't think so but there is probably some weird twist involved in the closing of the series. If nobody guesses nobody will ever be right

[genji2000]

I have a new thought, and I wish to share it with the forum to get everyone's take on it. At the end of mid-season 4, we are left with the following Cylon groupings:

Anti-Human-Cylon 1 (Cavil), Cylon 4 (Simon), Cylon 5 (Doval), and Boomer (the only one of her kind in this group). Also includes the raiders (now lobotomized and thus probably not a factor, unless they somehow rebel).

(Doval)

lol.

Pro-Human-Cylon 2 (Leoben), Cylon 6 (Caprica), Cylon 8 (Athena)

What? Athena? Since when was Athena part of the Rebel Cylon group? Duh.

and D'anna (the only one left of her kind period). Also includes the Centurions, who now have higher intelligence and will be a force later on.

What? Centurions? Since when did the entire Centurion army side with the Rebel Cylons?

Cylon gods-Tigh, Tory, Tyrol, Anders, and unknown Fifth.

What? Since when were the Final Five elevated to the position of 'gods'? The Cylons have one god, understand: ONE. GOD.

ONE.

Potential 13th Cylon-The baby of Tigh and Caprica, should it survive.

Security!

Where, in the name of all that's canon, did you EVER dream up the theory that the baby of Tigh and Caprica Six (Caprica is the name of a planet or a TV show) is the non-existent thirteenth Cylon? "There are only 12 Cylon models". Duh.

I realize that you all know this already

GTF.

and that the above is rudundant,

rudundant

lol.

I also feel that Leoben will die (probably saving Starbuck)

Anders will die (probably saving Starbuck).

er...

The surving cylons? Model 2 (Leoben replacing Anders), Model 6 (Caprica replacing Tory), Model 8 (Boomer replacing Tyrol), Model 13 (unknown child replacing Tigh), and the unknown F5 cylon. (AKA-the NEW cylon gods).

Interesting theory. I like it.

Of course, anything is possible. One model of the anti-human group may defect (if so, my money is on Simon). The 13th model may never come to be.

"There are only 12 Cylon models". Duh.

All of the F5 may die. All of this is possible.

However, I am convinced that the end result will see that only 5 cylon models will survive to see the end result.

Okay - you're convinced.

Alternatively, two more of the F5 could survive and there would be a new S7 group of cylons.

Okay - you're not convinced.

Basically, we will see either five models survive (new F5) or seven models survive (new S7). "All this has happened before and will happen again."

"All this has happened before and will happen again."

Meaning what? The Final Five will die or they won't die?

[Pnutmaster]

Talk about dismantling a post.

I like the idea of Leoben, Caprica Six and Athena assuming roles as the Final Five of the next cycle. Caprica Six and Athena, at least. It would explain the shared visions of the Opera House.

(BTW, what did this post look like before August 19th? lol)

[genji2000]

I like the idea of Leoben, Caprica Six and Athena assuming roles as the Final Five of the next cycle. Caprica Six and Athena, at least. It would explain the shared visions of the Opera House.

Yeah, it's an interesting concept, like the Kara/Leoben thing.

(BTW, what did this post look like before August 19th? lol)

It looked like this: Replace the cylons!!!!

I went through a load of the threads in my jurisdiction and corrected their titles. I didn't touch the content of any of the posts.

[The Dirt]

Initially, when I saw the title of this thread, I was curious. I thought that with the splintering of Cylon society, maybe someone was offering an idea that BSG should come up with a whole new set of "bad guys" for the remainder of the show. Perhaps it could be "God", or the "Head People", or even the 13th colony. By demistifying the Cylons, the show no longer had any scary, mysterious threat to humanity. Oh well.

The theory isn't bad if you don't take into account a total lack of reason or logic. Please be a little more coherent next time. Also, I think I will begin stating "all of this has happened before and will happen again," as though it is proof of everything that I just said is true. People should testify in court and end their statements with this phrase, so you know they weren't lying. 3rd grade kids on the playground should use this phrase as a rebuttal to "yo momma" jokes. Politicians would do wonders with this phrase. So say we all!

[pagad]

In a brief summary, what was the original poster trying to say?

[thevarrior]

I am so damn confused right now...

[Zompton]

Huh?

[Osprey]

READER'S DIGEST VERSION:

Chiefchess had a theory re: s7 cylon models "disappearing" and being "replaced" by, um, other cylon entities during the course of seas. 4.5.

Senior officers eviscerated said theory.

the envisceration has yet to be refuted convincingly, hence i would put this one in the "less plausible" category at the moment ...

/jus' sayin'

[Pnutmaster]

Also, I think I will begin stating "all of this has happened before and will happen again," as though it is proof of everything that I just said is true. People should testify in court and end their statements with this phrase, so you know they weren't lying. 3rd grade kids on the playground should use this phrase as a rebuttal to "yo momma" jokes. Politicians would do wonders with this phrase. So say we all!

LOL...The perfect excuse from responsibility.

[The Dirt]

Chiefchess, I don't think that your theory is bad necessarily, it's just that I don't really understand most of what you said. Can you clarify? Also, I don't really see your reasoning for this theory other than it sounds cool or has some weird symmetry to it.

[genji2000]

I should point out that Chiefchess usually makes good posts. Not sure if this was an off-day or just an over-excited account of a new idea. I thought the idea was okay, which was (I think) that in the next cycle the F5 will be 'played' by characters that are S7 in this cycle, in the same way that Leoben said in the last cycle he was doing the torturing and Kara was being tortured.

[Chiefchess]

Whoa! I posted this back in July, and now suddenly everyone is replying to it. I will try to clarify my theory again, because I know it is confusing.:confused:

Bottom line-at the end of the series, only five models will be left. That is my theory.

I don't believe for one second that D'Anna will be a surviving cylon because it has already been reported on patriot.com that she would only be in three episodes in season 4, and we have already seen her in two.

I also don't believe that the anti-human cylons (the Cavils (1s), the Simons (4s), and the Dovals (5s)) will survive. Unless BSG throws a huge curveball at us, I see all of those models destroyed in the final battle.

So that leaves us with the F5 cylons, the Leobens (2s), the Capricas (6s) and the Sharons (8s). We must also remember the new "toaster" in the oven (Tigh and Caprica's baby). If it lives, it will be a full cylon as well.

Out of these eight cylons (possibly nine if the baby cylon lives), I predict that only five models will live to see the end of the series, thus making a new F5. "All this has happened before and will happen again.":tos-cylon:

The rest of the post is very confusing, and I apologize for it. I was trying to name off possible scenarios as to which of the previously named cylons would be part of the new F5. :(

I can honestly say that I am confident that the 1s, the 3s, the 4s, and the 5s will not make it to the series ending. What I am less confident about is the fate of the remaining cylons. My instinct tells me that most of the original F5 cylons will die, only to be replaced by the newer cylons. I base this on the theme that keeps repeating over and over on BSG: "In order for the children to reach their full potential, the parents must die."

Thus, in order for the 2s, the 6s, and the 8s to reach their full potential as cylon "gods," at least three (or four models if Tigh and Caprica's baby lives) of the original F5 models must die. That is my theory. How this plays out is anyone's guess. :detective:

Alternatively, if the fate of the cylons is to make a new "S7" as opposed to a new "F5", then my theory is still the same except that fewer of the original F5 models would need to die, so 7 models would survive to the ending.

Have I confused everyone enough? Or have I cleared up a few things? Please post soon to let me know.

[genji2000]

You know it's 'Doral', right, not 'Doval'? The Fives, I mean. The PR guy on the Galactica in the Miniseries was called Aaron Doral.

TPR (and others, including on this forum) has reported that D'Anna "gets left behind" - presumably on Earth rather than in Brooklyn, so she might not die (or we might not see her die) and who knows what will happen at the end? Lucy Liuless might have returned secretly to film another appearance, or they might have filmed scenes for the series finale at the time that they were filming earlier episodes that she was involved in. Neither is likely, I hasten to add, but we don't know that she dies.

Destroying all the Cavils, Simons and Dovals is a biggie. I probably agree but it's a big thing to do.

Tigh and Caprica Six's child isn't the same as the others though, is it? It was conceived naturally (not that I know anything about Tigh's bedroom habits but I would guess they're fairly natural). Full Cylon by blood but not by nature - for one thing it will have a childhood.

It is a decent idea, which is based on what we know about the Final Five - that they've been around for ages, right? But what if only their consciousnesses are what's left, in a Zoe Graystone kind of way, and are used by the Cylons during the early development of the humanoid Cylons around the time just after the Cylon war? If that were the case, the number of surviving models would be irrelevant.

[skip]

Nice theory

BUT what about Hera and Nicky? (the offspring off chief n athena) They're part cylon.. maybe even full (if the fifth would be Helo or Cally -- which i dont think they will be) If ur theory is correct then Athena and Chief has to die.
Nah dont see it work in 11 episodes left.. They got too much to explain as it is now.

And 13th cylon i can see how it would work cause there are 12 colonies + the tribe that settled on earth. so 13 in total. And u got 12 lords of kobol.. + the 1 cylon god makes yup 13 again.. so its possible that theirs a 13th. so maybe it is six n tigh's baby. Or maybe it's Hera? cause they let us believe she's 'special'.

BTW . I aint english so forgive my poor grammar lol

[The Dirt]

I still like how you used the word aint. That word is reserved for native English speakers that don't actually speak much English. Also, you spelled grammar correctly! What gives?

[Stairway]

Tigh and Caprica Six's child isn't the same as the others though, is it? It was conceived naturally (not that I know anything about Tigh's bedroom habits but I would guess they're fairly natural). Full Cylon by blood but not by nature - for one thing it will have a childhood.


She'll probably give birth to a squid, like in Men in Black.

[genji2000]

I didn't realise she was in Men In Black.