additional Colonial survivors?

[Joe E Dangerously]

Is it just me, or shouldn't there still be survivors on the colonies? Unless the Cylons exterminated them all, there would theoretically be survivors on the other 11 colonies, right? It sort of stands to reason that what was happening on Caprica with the resistance and such would be happening elsewhere, right? Or am I just totally insane? Or Both? hmm. Oh well. Anyway, it just seems like if they couldn't wipe out the Capricans, There should be other humans. Anybody agree? If not, tell me why I am wrong.

[Osprey]

while there most likely would have been survivors on the other 11 homeworlds; it is reasonable to presume a. they may not have had an "anders" or someone to rally them and keep them fighting & surviving
b. if such groups did exist, most likely they were wiped out, esp. if the cylons chose, after seeing the trouble caused by the caprican resistence, to send out 11, say, battalions of centurions, 1 to each homeworld, with the express mission to kill any guerillas ....


annnd, failing all of the above, RDM has NEVER mentioned any of them yet so they either don't exist or have no absolutely bearing on the s4 story ...
/jus' sayin' ...

[Bureizu]

Absolutely, the problem was, Starbuck knew the location of the caprican rebel base, soy they could send a stealth rescue mission with good possibilities of success. But they didn't have this kind of information for the rest of the colonies...

Now, after that, the Cylon abandoned the nuked colonies, and I can't see why the human fleet didn't send rescue ships looking for survivors... they can't go back to the planets as they are heavily irradiated, but they could try to rescue whoever survived.

On the other hand, there weren't really that many survivors along with Anders, not even enough to populate a small city.

[iheartthesystem]

Now, after that, the Cylon abandoned the nuked colonies, and I can't see why the human fleet didn't send rescue ships looking for survivors... they can't go back to the planets as they are heavily irradiated, but they could try to rescue whoever survived.

On the other hand, there weren't really that many survivors along with Anders, not even enough to populate a small city.
I think it's just a matter of saving resources/fuel. It might just take too much of those, not to mention a lot of time to find a few scattered survivors, especially if you have no idea where to start looking.

[timbo]

Is it just me, or shouldn't there still be survivors on the colonies? Unless the Cylons exterminated them all, there would theoretically be survivors on the other 11 colonies, right? It sort of stands to reason that what was happening on Caprica with the resistance and such would be happening elsewhere, right? Or am I just totally insane? Or Both? hmm. Oh well. Anyway, it just seems like if they couldn't wipe out the Capricans, There should be other humans. Anybody agree? If not, tell me why I am wrong.

I think there is a remote possibility (23-26%) that one of the colonies collaborated with the cylons. Maybe one of those considered as a sort of underclass finally had their chance with the cylons help.

Someone mentioned about the fact that Ron Moore hasn´t mentioned the other colonies, but this just makes me more suspicious. The more I read about him, the more I think he really is more than willing to toy with us, and I for one am quite enjoying being toyed with (cue cute comment from Genji).

[genji2000]

I think there is a remote possibility (23-26%) that one of the colonies collaborated with the cylons. Maybe one of those considered as a sort of underclass finally had their chance with the cylons help.

Someone mentioned about the fact that Ron Moore hasn´t mentioned the other colonies, but this just makes me more suspicious. The more I read about him, the more I think he really is more than willing to toy with us, and I for one am quite enjoying being toyed with (cue cute comment from Genji).

Have I become such a parody of myself?

I was reading some of your older posts the other day - chiefly the one about RDM saying the WTF are/are not Cylons. I think you're overly suspicious of him. You have to give him and others (Eick, Weddle and the like) a bit of leeway. In interviews they have to avoid giving anything away - everything they say is analysed to death by the likes of me and thee. I don't think RDM is deliberately misguiding us, but it is hard to tell whether they're saying nothing about something because it's irrelevant or because it's important. For example, regarding the Last Supper photo and RDM's "you got that out of me a bit sneakily" (or whatever he said) - I think that was probably genuine. Therefore, I think you're probably toying with yourself.

How was that?

[timbo]

Have I become such a parody of myself?

I was reading some of your older posts the other day - chiefly the one about RDM saying the WTF are/are not Cylons. I think you're overly suspicious of him. You have to give him and others (Eick, Weddle and the like) a bit of leeway. In interviews they have to avoid giving anything away - everything they say is analysed to death by the likes of me and thee. I don't think RDM is deliberately misguiding us, but it is hard to tell whether they're saying nothing about something because it's irrelevant or because it's important. For example, regarding the Last Supper photo and RDM's "you got that out of me a bit sneakily" (or whatever he said) - I think that was probably genuine. Therefore, I think you're probably toying with yourself.

How was that?

It was good for me, thanks.

I think I am suspicious with good reason. I think I am being toyed with by the Toymaster.
The comment about "you got that out of me ......" was a top layer toy for the masses. Underneath this, there are many layers of toying going on. Something mysterious and wonderful is taking place on our screens and on the forum, and I really am enjoying every part of it. I think that when this is all over, we will look back on this as something new.

[Georgiotje]

It's all fan fiction. They don't have enough time to show all of this in the series. There were/are definetely survivors. There were billions of people on the Colonies. And only 50000 survive? There should be other people on the planets, hidden in radiation bunkers?¿. There should be people out there on other ships. There were 120 Battlestars and there were several thousand support ships (destroyers, escorts), so it seems impossible that the Galactica is the last military ship. But this is what I think of the Colonies so it's all my imagination. My own ''fan fiction''.

[damrod]

No matter what the disaster, someone always survives. they had anti rad meds that they were taking, so someone else on the other planets could be doing the same. Some would just hide and not fight in bunkers or basements. i am sure they had survivalists in their midst. Could be the start of a new series. Cylons could not hunt everyone down, no matter how good they are. Scattered to the wind to other planets.

There is alot of BSG fanfic at www.fanfiction.net

[Joe E Dangerously]

Thanks Damrod. I agree.

[The Dirt]

People are like cockroaches. Not in a bad way... we just have a tendency to adapt and survive. The only way the Cylons could have destroyed humans outright was to make the Colonies' sun go nova. They either did not have the technology to do that or were unwilling. It stands reason to reason that they didn't have the technology to nuke the sun, seeing as nuclear weapons are the most powerful weapons in the show and are not actual science fiction weapons. I'd like to hear Adama say, "Arm the death ray and fire the amniotic beams!" Anyway, back to the topic -- I think that there are plenty of survivors on the 12 colonies (~25,000+ per Earth-like colony -- I'm not convinced that all 12 colonies were Earth-like). These people are either immune or resistant to radiation, or have found a "safe haven" with plenty of meds and food.

[Bureizu]

We need to remember that we don't know for how long the cylons were living amongst humans in the colonies, they have made perfectly clear their intention was to exterminate all human life, so in the years preparing their attack they probably researched for every fortress and bunker where human survivors could hide, and we know for sure they infiltrated the colonial defense mainframe, so they did know where was each and every one of the battleships.

Plus, on the miniseries we saw a line of defense was organized with the available battleships after the first attack, and it was wiped out completely by the cylons.

After that, Boomer did search all around for survivors, and got 50 ships to Colonial One... and I think 10 of them didn't had FTL drives so when the cylon found the fleet they jumped away leaving those behind.

There should be survivors for sure, but very few, and the anti-radiation medicine is not being produced anymore...

I see the fleet going back to look for survivors only at the epilogue of the series. They should have done it when they rescued Anders and the others from Caprica, but they didn't.

An episode dedicated to the rescue runs would have been good, like was the one with the different runs through the star cluster... "The Passage"

[BSGfan-atic]

There would definitely be survivors on the other colonies, as well as other survivors on Caprica, in addition to Anders' resistance group. The series doesn't show the effects of the nuclear bombardment though. There was only one scene, when Kara was coming in with the damaged Raider she'd taken over, that showed blast damage in an urban area (Caprica City). This didn't make much sense though, seeing as how Commander Adama had updated his crew during the attack by telling them that a nuclear weapon in the multi-megaton range had exploded over the city. There shouldn't have been anything still standing for many, many miles.

Some key factors in how many survivors there would be, and when it would be safe for them to come out, would be the size and composition of the weapons themselves, and the mix of airburst and groundburst weapons used.

The size of the weapons is an obvious one. The weapons we used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were small by modern standards, being in the low kiloton range, and relatively clean. By this I mean that they weren't fitted with any "jackets" to augment the radioactive effects of the explosions themselves. I remember reading back in the 1980s something about the ways the U.S. and U.S.S.R. could poison each other's land was by jacketing their weapons with coatings of cobalt, strontium, cesium, or other elements, to increase the half-life of the radioactive fallout to hundreds of years.

The number of weapons exploding above the ground versus exploding at ground level would determine the amount of dirt and other radioactive particles thrown up into the atmosphere. This would determine how long a probable nuclear winter would last.

This was what growing up in the 1980s taught us.

[The Dirt]

There's also the thing about Delphi. The Cylons wanted to make it their base of operations... Now the questions is... did they nuke it and it simply didn't get too frakked up or did they use a neutron bomb (kills organic matter only -- explains why the Cylons were planting trees) and then some conventional weapons to mess the city up. The next question is -- was this the plan all along? Did they pick smaller cities (Delphi didn't look all that small, but small compared to Caprica City) on the other colonies to set up testing facilities? Once the Cylons decided to leave the 12 colonies, it seems likely that they would have nuked the planets again to make sure that no humans regroup and "pass down stories about the Cylons from generation to generation" so that one day the humans would have their revenge.

[genji2000]

...Once the Cylons decided to leave the 12 colonies, it seems likely that they would have nuked the planets again to make sure that no humans regroup and "pass down stories about the Cylons from generation to generation" so that one day the humans would have their revenge.

I may be wrong but I think the Cylons abandoned the twelve colonies after Caprica Six and Boomer had converted them, so they probably didn't nuke the planets again.

[BSGfan-atic]

They would just be making the rubble bounce if they nuked the planets again. Also, I wonder if their religious views would permit them to use something like the fallout-enhancing nukes I mentioned above.
by jacketing their weapons with coatings of cobalt, strontium, cesium, or other elements, to increase the half-life of the radioactive fallout to hundreds of years.
What would they think about destroying the creations of the one true god?

[Neakal]

The series doesn't show the effects of the nuclear bombardment though. There was only one scene, when Kara was coming in with the damaged Raider she'd taken over, that showed blast damage in an urban area (Caprica City). This didn't make much sense though, seeing as how Commander Adama had updated his crew during the attack by telling them that a nuclear weapon in the multi-megaton range had exploded over the city. There shouldn't have been anything still standing for many, many miles

I don't think that was Caprica City. Simply another modern-looking city on planet Caprica.

What would they think about destroying the creations of the one true god?

"Parents have to die so children can reach their full potential"?

[genji2000]

I don't think that was Caprica City. Simply another modern-looking city on planet Caprica.

Are you sure about that... er...?

[Neakal]

Are you sure about that... er...?

Didn't we have that discussion before?

The SFX department may have intended as city that Caprica City or intentionally likened its looks to Caprica City but (as we saw in the case of Racetrack's Raptor crash) the SFX department tends to get too excited about things at times and the details and tidbits that they put in may not always be considered as a complete proof.

Agreeing with Battlestarwiki, I am inclined to see the ruined city Starbuck flew over was just another nuked out major city that is not Caprica City. Caprica City would have been levelled after a 50-megaton blast and I don't think we ever officially saw Caprica City after the nuke exploded there. Plenty of other cities (Delphi, the two unnamed cities Helo and Sharon passed by) but not Caprica. Besides, it makes sense that when Starbuck arrived at planet Caprica, she didn't appear in orbit just over Delphi or Caprica City but had to fly for some time before she arrived at Delphi. The ruined city we saw could have been any one of the cities she saw during her flight.

[genji2000]

Didn't we have that discussion before?

Yes. It was a joke.

[Neakal]

Yes. It was a joke.

Oh

And here I am jumping at it like...something that jumps at things faster than you can say jump

:madder:

[pagad]

genji has that effect on people. I wouldn't worry about it.

[genji2000]

Cheers for the props, mate.

[pagad]

On topic, the survival of the Pegasus suggests that perhaps there are other survivors out there. I bring this up because it's been hinted at that the final battle in the BSG series finale is of epic Return of the Jedi proportions. I doubt they can achieve that with one battered battlestar and a half-destroyed baseship, so it's possible other vessels following different paths to Earth will arrive to meet up with Galactica. Whether or not these are Colonial will remain to be seen...

[genji2000]

On topic, the survival of the Pegasus suggests that perhaps there are other survivors out there. I bring this up because it's been hinted at that the final battle in the BSG series finale is of epic Return of the Jedi proportions. I doubt they can achieve that with one battered battlestar and a half-destroyed baseship, so it's possible other vessels following different paths to Earth will arrive to meet up with Galactica. Whether or not these are Colonial will remain to be seen...

You need a holiday.

[pagad]

You're probably right. Got one next week.

[The Dirt]

I think that there are other survivors, but I don't think that we will ever see them on the show or will they ever be relevant to the plot. The first question I would ask is, how did they get to Earth/Non-Earth without accidentally stumbling onto Kobol, getting *another* Arrow of Apollo to get clues as to where to go next, finding the algea planet after the sun went supernova and figuring out where to go next. If there was some sort of alternate way to get to Earth, that sort of makes Galactica's journey totally pointless. How would you like it if you just spent 3 years struggling to find Earth, then you get there and there's some jackass from Caprica who says, "Yeah, you should have turned left at the nebula... we got here months ago!"

[pagad]

So I'm probably alone in thinking that four or five other surviving battlestars showing up for the final epic showdown of the series could just be the coolest thing ever?

</adolescent desire for epic 'splodes>

[genji2000]

So I'm probably alone in thinking that four or five other surviving battlestars showing up for the final epic showdown of the series could just be the coolest thing ever?

</adolescent desire for epic 'splodes>

Yes. You need to experience the days-long, slow build-up of monogamy to fully appreciate the truly deep and meaningful 'splosions of BSG... but you will, padawan, for man is nothing if he is not a slave.

[pagad]

Wait, are you saying I need to be married before I can appreciate the deep and wonderful meaning of explosions?

It all seems so clear now.

[genji2000]

Wait, are you saying I need to be married before I can appreciate the deep and wonderful meaning of explosions?

It all seems so clear now.

lol. You're so Catholic.

[BSGfan-atic]

pagad,

You are not alone in thinking that it would be totally cool if the producers made that famous fan fake (the one that had several other battlestars in it) come true. I think that a perfectly plausible explanation for this would be that while the Galactica and the Cylons are following religious clues to Earth, another group might just as well be following archeological and scientific clues to Earth.

On the other hand, this could strike one as deus ex machina.

And I am monogamous/married, so I can appreciate the explosions.:)

[GoldWolf]

I think it's entirely possible that there were quite a few groups of survivors on the different colonies, as well as other surviving military/civilian ship fleets. BSG, however, had to operate within a budget and had a specific story line to follow, so the tale of those various surviving groups couldn't be told on the TV show.

[GoldWolf]

*snip*

...another group might just as well be following archeological and scientific clues to Earth.



Fan, have you been reading the story of Battlestar Libra? We have our own way to find Earth... http://battlestarcentral.com/forums/index.php