Wild, Wild Guess... but...

[Bureizu]

The Final Five... we've yet to understand HOW some of our favourite human characters ended up as freaking toasters... so yesterday night this came to me:

The Final Five are for sure a different type of Cylon than the 7 known models... for starters, there were no bodies for them on the resurrection ships nor the resurrection hub. And that, if they REALLY are cylons.

I think the Final Five are only consciences, moving from one body to another... they may have existed for generations, even millenia...

I really believe that the 4 "new" Cylons we know yet may really be te Lords of Kobol, that once lived amongst humanity, then dissapeared at the time of te exodus to the 13 colonies... this consciences may have been on human "guests" to earth, and back to the colonies.

The Fifth may probably really be the one Cylon God, who taught them about themselves and started it all, no matter wich body he/she chooses to take... the series can reveal the true nature of the Final-Five and then it could be Adama or Rosslin or Baltar or anybody on the fleet and it would be perfectly coherent.

This would explain why 4 of the Final Five are aboard Galactica and why they have lived like humans all their life since they were kids, the 4 consciences traveled to this bodies when Galactica was ALREADY leading the exodus... The consciences haven't fully revealed themselves to their human guests (yes, I believe all of them are human) but have hinted them specific tasks. (much like those spirits on the original series)

I also think this consciences don't try to control their guest, they just provide their wisdom... which tell us that if Tori has turned against humanity, it's not that it changed her, she made her own decisions.

But they will reveal themselves to their guests, eventually, and with their help, humanity (and perhaps Cylons) will get a new homeworld, where they will live all in peace...

until one day...


You know... all of it has happened before and all of it will happen again...

hahaha, seriously I haven't been smoking anything ilegal... hahaha

Anyway, thanks for reading this very Wild, Wild Guess...

Bureizu

[timbo]

I had more or less the same idea about a month ago, and still see it as a possibility. Ghost souls jumping from host to host.

[Bureizu]

One thing to take into consideration against my guess is:

-Tori has shown superhuman strenght.

And if the Final Five are only consciences, that could not happen.

But still I refuse the idea of this 4 minds leading their unsuspecting bodies from the backstage, to be EXACTLY where they needed to be in order to be on key positions for the exodus, this would mean they already knew exactly wich ship was going to be leading the exodus, so Tigh and Tyrol lived to be there at the right moment, and Tori to be on one of the surviving human ships.

Sam Reese's story has more credibility. He was on Caprica, he survived the attacks, he was rescued by Galactica by mere chance.

I mean, in order to have 5 random guys on the exodus from the total human population on the 12 colonies, and 2 of them on key positions on the leading ship, without them knowing exactly what was going to happen, will require a hell of an explanation.

On the contrary, the consciences of the final 5 escaping from dying bodies and traveling to survivors on key positions is MUCH more credible.

*Edit: Corrected typo on TIGH... to avoid some of us to be confused.

[timbo]

......so Tight and Tyrol lived to be ......

Tight. That´s brilliant. I haven´t seen that before.

I mean, in order to have 5 random guys on the exodus from the total human population on the 12 colonies, and 2 of them on key positions on the leading ship, without them knowing exactly what was going to happen, will require a hell of an explanation.

On the contrary, the consciences of the final 5 escaping from dying bodies and traveling to survivors on key positions is MUCH more credible.

Totally agree with you dude. It is more credible than "we are cylons, and we have been from from the start". BUT, even more credible than that, is the rather clever idea that they "are not, and never have been" cylons. It was a psychcological warfare trick perpetrated by the cylons on New Caprica to sow seeds of mistrust and confusion. I suspect that by complete coincidence, they picked Tory, who really was a cylon, and who knows what bizarre consequences that backfiring little trick might have.

[Bureizu]

I would not go that far... the 5 have to be real to complete the 12 cylon models, otherwise you leave too much in the air, would be the somewhat "cheap" explanation of the chip that Tigh discarded when discussing with Adama.

Corrected the typo on the last post, thanks for pointing it out.

[Kissingher]

I would not go that far... the 5 have to be real to complete the 12 cylon models, otherwise you leave too much in the air, would be the somewhat "cheap" explanation of the chip that Tigh discarded when discussing with Adama.

Corrected the typo on the last post, thanks for pointing it out.

You might also want to fix "Sam Reese". Because who? I think you meant Sam Anders.

I'm agree that there were a lot of coincidences involved to bring those particular people to positions of leadership among the last surviving humans. But we've seen a couple of concrete examples that the Four are physiologically different. Tory's strength and Anders' eye. So, it can't just be a psychological trick.

Also, there are many indications already of supernatural involvement. Kara and Lee have now specifically acknowledged that. So, if we can buy Head Angel Six and Kara Thrace coming back from the dead, I guess we can buy these individuals having programming or destiny or fate leading them to where they needed to be.

[timbo]

I would not go that far... the 5 have to be real to complete the 12 cylon models, otherwise you leave too much in the air, would be the somewhat "cheap" explanation of the chip that Tigh discarded when discussing with Adama.

Corrected the typo on the last post, thanks for pointing it out.

Typo, I thought it was a joke. I don´t know if English is your first language, but tight is another word for drunk. I think you accidentally made one of the best jokes on the forum - Colonel Tight.

[pagad]

One thing to take into consideration against my guess is:

-Tori has shown superhuman strenght.

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[willhowdy]

Keep in mind, the events that have passed since the Miniseries have all been planned because "all this has happened before and it will happen again". Someone is minipulating events so that they will unfold in a certain way. How come the significant 7 Cylons have actually been programmed not to think about the final 5. One would think they've been programmed by the same source. Obviously this is not the case.

If someone is manipulating events, they would be able to ensure that the final 4 would survive, that Starbuck, Baltar, and Roslin would survive. Baltar only survived because Helo gave up his seat to Baltar because he's a freakin' genious.

Classic example of how events have been manipulated, when D'Anna demanded the final 4 and held Roslin, Baltar, Helo, and the others hostage, Lee's response was to send Tigh and the others out the airlock so that no one could get them. Both sides wanted the final 4 but also didn't want the other side to get that information. Lee was in the worse position because he had the fleet to worry about as well as everything else. But low and behold, the way to Earth turned out not to be the actual final 4, but Starbucks viper. This allowed Lee to give up the final 4. He could have left, but he didn't, he decided to cooperate. The timing of everything worked out so conveniently for these events to unfold. Lee chose the right decision, reconcilling the fleet with the basestar. Someone is manipulating events so that they happen in a certain fashion.

[Skippy254]

Not that wild of a guess - I've thought something very similiar since the end of last season. It's the only explanation that does make sense. The cylons couldn't fit the Lords of Kobol into their one God religion, so they re-imagined them as "the final 5" - but their not cylons at all. Thanks for writing all this up, so succinctly.

[Bureizu]

Typo, I thought it was a joke. I don´t know if English is your first language, but tight is another word for drunk. I think you accidentally made one of the best jokes on the forum - Colonel Tight.

=) Interesting... no, english is not my first language... and never heard about that meaning of tight... that was not intended... =(

Colonel Tight, now it all makes sense, looking at the different meanings of the word. =)

And yes, I will stop troubling myself with speculation. I'll wait for the new webisodes and the next part of the season. =)

[Nicci]

Not that wild of a guess - I've thought something very similiar since the end of last season. It's the only explanation that does make sense. The cylons couldn't fit the Lords of Kobol into their one God religion, so they re-imagined them as "the final 5" - but their not cylons at all. Thanks for writing all this up, so succinctly.
I am confused by this. I thought RDM said the Final five are 100% cylons with fundamental differences. Should we discard the words of RDM?

[Bureizu]

I am confused by this. I thought RDM said the Final five are 100% cylons with fundamental differences. Should we discard the words of RDM?

I don't know... RDM has also said that the final 5 are full cylon, and added that this means they're immortal... as in "anything immortal is cylon".

But haven't said anything about them being "cloned" or "grown" humanoids with downloaded consciences like the seven initial models.

[genji2000]

I don't know... RDM has also said that the final 5 are full cylon, and added that this means they're immortal... as in "anything immortal is cylon".

But haven't said anything about them being "cloned" or "grown" humanoids with downloaded consciences like the seven initial models.

Is there a link for that RDM quote, that "full Cylon = immortal"?