More thoughts on the final cylon after Revelations

[Starstruck]

I'm starting a new thread since the others have gotten so long. Admins, feel free to combine it if you prefer.

D'anna said that there are only four of the final cylons with the fleet when Adama, Roslin, Baltar, and Helo were aboard the baseship. As I see it that means there are three possiblities regarding the ID of the final.

1) D'anna lied. All five were with the fleet.
2) D'anna didn't lie. One of the four aboard the starship (or one of the minor pilots aboard) is the final.
3) D'anna didn't lie. The final is not someone who has been with the fleet or is someone who was previously with the fleet.

1) This is my least favored possibility, because I'm having trouble coming up with good reasons for D'anna to lie about this. We could say that D'anna knew knowledge was power and so she saved a card up her sleeve, but that seems a bit weak to me. She would have more power if she intimated that she knew the ID of all, particularly after four were identified.

2) As I said in the Revelations thread, I don't know why if the final were Baltar, D'anna would not have told him and tried to enlist his help. This saddens me because he's been my favorite for the final. :) She might have tried the same tactic if the final were Roslin. Of course, she probably knew that Roslins' attachment to the human fleet would have made her much harder to bring over to her side. And, in fact, when she psyched Roslin out, she might have been testing her to see how she would react because she is the final. She didn't react well. Adama is also attached to the human fleet, and would likely not act against them even if he learned he were a cylon. D'anna would know that. So, I still think Roslin and Adama are viable options. Helo is too for that matter. However, there's the Hera problem. If he is the final cylon, Hera is not the first cylon-human baby. It's possible, but not likely, I think.

Another point for Adama - Leoben said Adama was a cylon, and as far as I can remember he has always been right about his intuitions.

3) Or maybe the final cylon is someone who has never been with the fleet or has died. It would be kind of cool to have Joseph Adama, Zoe Adama, Zack Adama, or Mama Thrace be the final, I suppose, but since we don't really know those characters, it would lack a certain amount of impact. Also, RDM once said that the final has been with us since Season 1. That's not true for any of those characters, except perhaps Zack, who appeared in memories early on. Or was that Season 2? That also leaves out other dead favorites -- Cain and Kendra.

The only dead characters who fit that criteria are Cally and Billy. It would be really hard to imagine either of them being the final heavy hitter, I think.

So, what do y'all think? I think my two favorites are now Roslin and Adama. I don't know how to square that with the Last Supper photo stuff.

[turkey]

Roslin. She's the only one on the basestar besides Baltar that D'Anna wasn't going to execute.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Well, it could be Old Adama, but that would probably take the gusto right out of things, given his reactions to Tigh being one of the Fifth.

I'm thinking she either lied, or that the Fifth is on the basestar. (I'm looking at either Roslin or Baltar here, since they were left aside.) Or, even more remotely, the Fifth is imprisoned on one of the other Cylon ships.

Maybe the "psych" moment was deliberate to see if Roslin had been activated? That's a possibility.

Also, according to Athena way back on Kobol during Season 2, she makes the audacious claim that the Cylons know more about the truth behind human religion than the humans do. Of course, that thread hasn't been visited since, but it's dangling there wanting to be questioned. Since the Cylons know about the prophecies, Three likely knows them as well. I'm not sure how exactly that fits in with the rest, but it's reasonable to assume that she knows of Roslin's place as the "dying leader" and can tie in everything else that's happened back to the Sacred Scrolls. (The serpents numbering 10 and 2, the confrontation at the home of the Gods, etc.)

[5th Cylon]

Not considering Last Super picture: Starbuck

Taking last Supper picture into consideration: Gaeta

Long Shot pick: Mama Trace (it's a way to make Starbuck's role explained why she so important, while keeping the Last Supper picture comment true). I am starting to side this might be more likely then my non Last supper pick.

[Jason1975]

It might be unnecessary to remind people but here is something from earlier in the season.

Here is from Battlestar Wiki “He that Believeth in Me" webpage: (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/He_That_Believeth_In_Me)
Roslin visits Caprica Six in the brig. Roslin discusses the shared dream they experienced in the Opera House, where Caprica saw more than she did. Roslin asks Caprica to help her with information regarding the Cylons known as the Final Five, since she wants to know if Kara Thrace is one of them. Caprica replies that they are programmed not to think of the Five, but notes that they are close since she can feel them. So the last cylon might be in the colonial fleet after the battle in the Ionian Nebula. Just something to think about thats all.

[Pnutmaster]

I stand by possibility 2 and suspect that Baltar is the Final Cylon.

Now, as to why D'Anna would not approach Baltar and reveal his status to the other Cylons on the basestar...

She knows that Baltar has no knowledge of Earth (she tortured him and determined this). Thus, he serves no purpose to her for the time being. Revealing his status on the basestar would only give Roslin and the Fleet unnecessary information and waste a future bargaining chip.

[genji2000]

I stand by possibility 2 and suspect that Baltar is the Final Cylon.

Now, as to why D'Anna would not approach Baltar and reveal his status to the other Cylons on the basestar...

She knows that Baltar has no knowledge of Earth (she tortured him and determined this). Thus, he serves no purpose to her for the time being. Revealing his status on the basestar would only give Roslin and the Fleet unnecessary information and waste a future bargaining chip.

D'Anna does not consider it her place to reveal any of the Final Five. She could have outed them in the hangar on the Galactica but even though she knew they knew she'd recognised them she didn't reveal their identities. If it was Baltar she would likewise not interfere with either his moment of awakening (if she thought he wasn't yet activated) or his own decision to reveal his identity at the time of his choosing (if she thought he was activated).

Boomer is the Final Cylon.

[stavrosg]

What if the fifth is not activated yet?
D'Anna would know how he/she is like, but when she said "There are four in the fleet" she couldn't have know if he/she is there or not, since she couldn't sense the presence.

But I'd go with (2), and bet that the fifth was on the basestar.

[Jason1975]

D'Anna does not consider it her place to reveal any of the Final Five. She could have outed them in the hangar on the Galactica but even though she knew they knew she'd recognised them she didn't reveal their identities. If it was Baltar she would likewise not interfere with either his moment of awakening (if she thought he wasn't yet activated) or his own decision to reveal his identity at the time of his choosing (if she thought he was activated).

Boomer is the Final Cylon.

So you are saying that Caprica Six is lying when she said that the five are close and that she can feel them in "He that Believeth in Me". If she is telling the truth then that is telling me that all of the FF are in the colonial fleet after the battle of the Ionian Nebula. Boomer was not in the colonial fleet at that time. So Boomer would not be the final cylon.

[Pnutmaster]

Boomer is the Final Cylon.

Hehehe. The number 7 and number 8 situation is peculiar, but if Boomer is the Final Cylon, where were RDM's alleged clues to this?

I must ask, how would D'Anna or the Cylons know that the Final Five needed to be activated in the first place? Did they ever make mention of this?

[genji2000]

So you are saying that Caprica Six is lying when she said that the five are close and that she can feel them in "He that Believeth in Me". If she is telling the truth then that is telling me that all of the FF are in the colonial fleet after the battle of the Ionian Nebula. Boomer was not in the colonial fleet at that time. So Boomer would not be the final cylon.

Am I? I didn't intend to.

No, I doubt Caprica Six's extra-sensory perception managed to count each F5 individually. Even if only one had been present in the fleet, she would still have said "them" because it's the general F5 aura she perceives (i.e. they're Cylons, but they're different Cylons). I doubt that Caprica Six knew Saul was a F5 when she was shagging him or beating him up* (or why would she be trying to 'instruct' him) - though I could be wrong about that; I'm not sure that the state of Caprica Six's mind has been explored on this forum.

To be honest I'm not even sure why Caprica Six could 'feel' them. It's not because she's a Cylon, or else Athena would also be able to 'feel' them. Equally, Leoben would not need to ask D'Anna if Tory was a F5 - he'd be able to 'feel' it. She doesn't have the same insight as D'Anna because not only did she not visit the Temple of Five with Baltar, but Baltar and D'Anna completely excluded Caprica Six from their investigations into the F5.

I suspect her line about being able to feel their presence was either that of a rather sleepy Cylon, woken having just had a dream of the Opera House, or a bit of a hokey line intended to stir up a bit of mystique. Who wrote that episode?

Boomer was not in the colonial fleet when D'Anna told Adama and Roslin on the Basestar that only four of the five were in the fleet. That's when Boomer was not in the fleet.

EDIT:
*Do you know, I'm not so sure about that. I need to rewatch those sequences again - the ones where Tigh is asking her if she can just turn off the pain or something. Does she know he's a Cylon and is trying to help him come to terms with it?

[LSOP]

I have to go with Boomer too. D'Anna seemed surprised to see her at the resurection tank, and after seeing her, asked Cavil if he was interested in knowing who the final 5 were. When he said he didn't, she killed him. She could have jumped up and tried to kill Boomer, but she didn't want to. She just let her go.

Boomer fits because she was a sleeper cylon just like the other four. Only she awoke alot sooner. Other than awaking sooner, she's just like them; she thought she was human before, after the switch went on she had uncontrollable urges to do what she was programmed to do, and she was in anguish over her new-found nature.

The only reason Boomer doesn't seem to fit is because she looks like all the other Eights, i.e. she is not unique like the other four. BUT maybe the makers decided to make a model look like her, because they knew her particular role or program would probably get her killed early on, and they wanted her to have a known model-type body to download into. (We don't know for certain that the other four couldn't have downloaded had they been killed; we just don't think there would have been a body waiting for them if they did. Doesn't matter now - Hub is gone.)

Boomer then would be sort of a mystery to D'Anna, and something that it would be in her best interest to stay quiet about until she makes sense of it herself. It could be that Boomer, besides convincing the others (with the help of Caprica-6) to change their minds and live with the humans on New Caprica, is destined to heal the cylon civil war by breaking through to Cavil, now that she has his ear. Or maybe kill him, or something, so that the seperated brethren can join back with the others.

[genji2000]

Hehehe. The number 7 and number 8 situation is peculiar, but if Boomer is the Final Cylon, where were RDM's alleged clues to this?

I must ask, how would D'Anna or the Cylons know that the Final Five needed to be activated in the first place? Did they ever make mention of this?

It's been discussed at length in other threads, but RDM said there were "roadsigns" to the identity of the Final Cylon, which is different to the overt clues that hint at other characters.

Boomer is the only sleeper outside of the Watchtower Four. She is very different to other Cylons and to other Eights, particularly in the vote on lobotomising the Raiders, where she voted against her model, which had never been done before. She's in a deep, dark place, hungering for redemption. She's the missing Seven and uses the bodies of Eights to resurrect because Sevens and Eights differ only in the F5 part of her consciousness. She fits D'Anna's "You! Forgive me. I had no idea." She's not in the colonial fleet when D'Anna says there are only four there. She and Caprica Six converted the Cylons into abandoning their quest to wipe out the human race. She and Caprica Six were the first Cylons to know love. I don't know, the list is fairly endless, and there aren't really any 'buts'. Check out the final scene of Water.

Wouter is the chief proponent of this theory so go to his user page and find all his post-The Hub comments.

[genji2000]

The only reason Boomer doesn't seem to fit is because she looks like all the other Eights, i.e. she is not unique like the other four. BUT maybe the makers decided to make a model look like her, because they knew her particular role or program would probably get her killed early on, and they wanted her to have a known model-type body to download into. (We don't know for certain that the other four couldn't have downloaded had they been killed; we just don't think there would have been a body waiting for them if they did. Doesn't matter now - Hub is gone.)

The Watchtower Four were sent to live amongst humans, the Final Cylon to live amongst Cylons. I believe Boomer's bodies are Eight bodies, but her consciousness is that of the Seven.

Boomer then would be sort of a mystery to D'Anna, and something that it would be in her best interest to stay quiet about until she makes sense of it herself. It could be that Boomer, besides convincing the others (with the help of Caprica-6) to change their minds and live with the humans on New Caprica, is destined to heal the cylon civil war by breaking through to Cavil, now that she has his ear. Or maybe kill him, or something, so that the seperated brethren can join back with the others.

The purpose of the Final Five is maybe the most important question of the show, but Boomer as the Final Cylon is the only choice for the Writers if they intend to maintain verisimilitude.

[5th Cylon]

The purpose of the Final Five is maybe the most important question of the show, but Boomer as the Final Cylon is the only choice for the Writers if they intend to maintain verisimilitude.

What about Starbuck? why exactly is she so important? As i pointed out before, if her or her mom are the final cylon it explains alot of things.

I would say Baltar is important as well and might be a good choice and could explain alot of things, but all to often they have told us he isn't one(and it comes to a point you just take them at face value).

[genji2000]

What about Starbuck? why exactly is she so important? As i pointed out before, if her or her mom are the final cylon it explains alot of things.

I would say Baltar is important as well and might be a good choice and could explain alot of things, but all to often they have told us he isn't one(and it comes to a point you just take them at face value).

No - Leoben always knew what she was, that she had a special destiny, and he wasn't permitted to think about the Final Five. Kara is the Herald of the Apocalypse, Baltar is the Chosen One. These are different roles in the cycle of time, not Final Five (IMO of course).

My own belief is that the purpose of the Final Five is to maintain the cycle of time. I'm troubled by Lee's words, "it doesn't have to happen again."

[ouiouiwewe]

D'Anna explicitly noted that Boomer is an Eight and that she'd switched sides whenever there's something shiny.

Not sure why some people suddenly think Boomer is the final Cylon... As for the theory that the final Cylon was on the base star, it's plausible and has left only a handful of possibilities:
- Admiral Adama
- Laura Roslin
- Karl Agathon
- Gaius Baltar
- The Centurions.

[5th Cylon]

As for the theory that the final Cylon was on the base star, it's plausible and has left only a handful of possibilities:
- Admiral Adama
- Laura Roslin
- Karl Agathon
- Gaius Baltar
- The Centurions.

If you take the final supper picture into consideration,then that basically leaves Karl Agathon the most likely choice(i guess you can say Centurions as well)

[genji2000]

D'Anna explicitly noted that Boomer is an Eight and that she'd switched sides whenever there's something shiny.


D'Anna was speaking to Cavil. She would have wanted to know quickly if Cavil knew Boomer was the Final Cylon. or even if Boomer knew yet. Her comment was a probe to see what information she could glean. Even her tone of voice was manipulative.

[turkey]

D'Anna explicitly noted that Boomer is an Eight and that she'd switched sides whenever there's something shiny.

Not sure why some people suddenly think Boomer is the final Cylon... As for the theory that the final Cylon was on the base star, it's plausible and has left only a handful of possibilities:
- Admiral Adama
- Laura Roslin
- Karl Agathon
- Gaius Baltar
- The Centurions.

And, again, D'Anna let Adama and Helo go. She had a reason to keep Baltar around.

And she told Roslin that Roslin was a cylon...

[Starstruck]

It's been discussed at length in other threads, but RDM said there were "roadsigns" to the identity of the Final Cylon, which is different to the overt clues that hint at other characters.

Boomer is the only sleeper outside of the Watchtower Four. She is very different to other Cylons and to other Eights, particularly in the vote on lobotomising the Raiders, where she voted against her model, which had never been done before. She's in a deep, dark place, hungering for redemption. She's the missing Seven and uses the bodies of Eights to resurrect because Sevens and Eights differ only in the F5 part of her consciousness. She fits D'Anna's "You! Forgive me. I had no idea." She's not in the colonial fleet when D'Anna says there are only four there. She and Caprica Six converted the Cylons into abandoning their quest to wipe out the human race. She and Caprica Six were the first Cylons to know love. I don't know, the list is fairly endless, and there aren't really any 'buts'. Check out the final scene of Water.

Wouter is the chief proponent of this theory so go to his user page and find all his post-The Hub comments.

You make a good case for Boomer. There is something interesting about the idea that one of the final five would have been planted among the cylons, and, of course, for that to happen she woud have to look identical to one of the models.

I have at least two problems with the idea though. First, why would Boomer have been planted with the cylons by the final five and then re-planted with the humans by the cylons? That seems to be too much of a coincidence. The other problem is your reasoning for all of this, that the five want to keep the cycle going. Why would they want that? Death, destruction, why? There's nothing about the known four to make me think they enjoy death and destruction. It seems to me that the cycle happens not because of anyone's conscious choosing, but because it is one ugly facet of human nature to feret out difference, to act without thinking, to destroy out of fear and ignorance. That's what Lee wants to stop. I think that's a very noble impulse, but I fear it's not possible.

[Stairway]

As for the theory that the final Cylon was on the base star, it's plausible and has left only a handful of possibilities:
- Admiral Adama
- Laura Roslin
- Karl Agathon
- Gaius Baltar
- The Centurions.

If you take the final supper picture into consideration,then that basically leaves Karl Agathon the most likely choice(i guess you can say Centurions as well)

What do you mean? Helo was in the last supper photo.

[genji2000]

You make a good case for Boomer. There is something interesting about the idea that one of the final five would have been planted among the cylons, and, of course, for that to happen she woud have to look identical to one of the models.

I have at least two problems with the idea though. First, why would Boomer have been planted with the cylons by the final five and then re-planted with the humans by the cylons? That seems to be too much of a coincidence. The other problem is your reasoning for all of this, that the five want to keep the cycle going. Why would they want that? Death, destruction, why? There's nothing about the known four to make me think they enjoy death and destruction. It seems to me that the cycle happens not because of anyone's conscious choosing, but because it is one ugly facet of human nature to feret out difference, to act without thinking, to destroy out of fear and ignorance. That's what Lee wants to stop. I think that's a very noble impulse, but I fear it's not possible.

Season One Boomer is a mystery but not a showstopper. I don't know whether she was a F5 sleeper in Season One or a Cylon sleeper (i.e. which was she working for?). If you forget a moment about her being the Final Cylon: what was her Cylon mission? To kill Adama? To hamper the fleet's progress by blowing up water tanks and neglecting to spot water supplies and tylium supplies on planets she was scanning? I don't know what her exact mission was. I don't know that she successfully executed it. The water (and fuel) were replaced, Adama survived. But if you look at that from the perspective of her being the Final Cylon, coupled with the fact that the Final Five have a purpose, even if I haven't guessed it correctly, then it appears that her purpose was to stop the fleet from outrunning the Cylons completely (maybe even from getting too far away from Caprica/Sam/Helo and Athena), and I think it's a safe bet that this 'higher power' that's been talked about wants the two races to stay in touch. I don't know if the Cylons had full awareness of Boomer's Season One mission, like they appear to have had for Caprica Six's, but if they did then as a F5 sleeper in Cylon society before the attack on the colonies, she would have automatically found her way into the position of becoming the Cylon sleeper on board the Galactica in the same way that Tyrol and Tigh found their way into serving on the Galactica, and Tory found her way into the civilian political administration. A real Cylon sleeper could have caused a lot more havoc than Boomer did, and it may not have confided in the Chief, nor drawn on his strength. I'd say Sam's Season One F5 mission is more of a mystery than Boomer's: did he miss the boat when the colonies were attacked or was his purpose to stay on Caprica to ensure Starbuck went back for him? Why - to introduce Cavil and the news of the Cylons' change of heart?

The cycle is not about death and destruction. The apocalypse, the end of the age, the beginning of a new one, a new cycle, has to happen to stop the death and destruction that is an inherent part of mankind's nature. It is important that the cycle begins with the children of mankind and Cylons. They have to be brought together for that reason. This is why all the Final Five fit, including Boomer. Their task (imo) is to ensure neither race entirely wipes out the other (yeah I realise Helo fits that purpose too), nor loses track of the other. This is why Tigh, Tyrol and Anders were the key personnel in the New Caprica resistance, why Anders was the leader of the Caprica resistance, and why Tigh is the XO of the Galactica, Tyrol is the chief of Viper maintenance, and Tory is the right-hand woman of the President.

Does that make sense? I'm not sure I can explain things as well as Wouter.

[genji2000]

What do you mean? Helo was in the last supper photo.

http://www.battlestarforum.com/showpost.php?p=16437&postcount=10

The photo bit is probably the most convincing part of his argument.

[Jason1975]

Here is some problems with Boomer being the last cylon.
Just after D'anna broke Cavil's neck, Why did D'Anna not try to stop Boomer from leaving? If Boomer was the fifth, wouldn't Deanna at least try to get Boomer to come with her since she knew that rebel cylons were attacking the Hub. D'Anna does not necessarily tell Boomer that she is the final cylon but at least try get her to come with her.
Also, that would make the story a lot more complicated. When D'Anna had her vision of the final five cylons, She saw an eight. How in the world she know which eight is the final cylon unless they had name tags. :D That means that she has to find out which one of the eight is the final cylon. That would take time that the show does not have.
Also, Boomer being the final cylon goes against what Caprica felt and Natalie saying that the final five is in the colonial fleet when Boomer was not in the fleet.

[crood]

It's been both shown and stated that the S7 can tell one member of a model from another. Therefore, it wouldn't be a stretch for D'Anna to recognize one of the F5 as Boomer and not just as an Eight. However, her dismissive opinion of Boomer and her line would seem to indicate that she's not one of them.

[Jason1975]

It's been both shown and stated that the S7 can tell one member of a model from another. Therefore, it wouldn't be a stretch for D'Anna to recognize one of the F5 as Boomer and not just as an Eight. However, her dismissive opinion of Boomer and her line would seem to indicate that she's not one of them.

I agree that you can tell one member of a model from another by their personality and maybe what clothes they wear. However, if they just stand there and wearing just a white robe, how can she determine what eight was standing in front of her, since that eight's personality is not showing.

[genji2000]

Here is some problems with Boomer being the last cylon.
Just after D'anna broke Cavil's neck, Why did D'Anna not try to stop Boomer from leaving? If Boomer was the fifth, wouldn't Deanna at least try to get Boomer to come with her since she knew that rebel cylons were attacking the Hub. D'Anna does not necessarily tell Boomer that she is the final cylon but at least try get her to come with her.

Gods no. D'Anna simply cannot order the F5 to do anything, and if they're not revealed then it's not her place to reveal them nor speak to them directly as a F5. D'Anna cannot attempt to control or coerce the F5, though she can threaten humans in the hope that the F5 will avoid bloodshed.

Also, that would make the story a lot more complicated. When D'Anna had her vision of the final five cylons, She saw an eight. How in the world she know which eight is the final cylon unless they had name tags.

Oh come on. Athena recognised Boomer on board the Galactica in The Eye of Jupiter. D'Anna recognised Athena in the Cylon prison facility in New Caprica in Exodus. D'Anna's not a centurion.

:D That means that she has to find out which one of the eight is the final cylon. That would take time that the show does not have.

D'Anna completely recognised Boomer in the Temple of Five and even apologised to her.

Also, Boomer being the final cylon goes against what Caprica felt and Natalie saying that the final five is in the colonial fleet when Boomer was not in the fleet.

Caprica Six felt the presence of the F5 immediately after dreaming about them, she didn't count how many of them were on board. When she shagged Tigh did she know she was shagging a F5?

It's been both shown and stated that the S7 can tell one member of a model from another. Therefore, it wouldn't be a stretch for D'Anna to recognize one of the F5 as Boomer and not just as an Eight. However, her dismissive opinion of Boomer and her line would seem to indicate that she's not one of them.

Not if D'Anna recognises that Boomer hasn't yet been switched on.

I hope I'm not going to take all this questioning on my own shoulders. Wouter expresses this theory a lot more convincingly than me. You should check out his comments.

[genji2000]

I agree that you can tell one member of a model from another by their personality and maybe what clothes they wear. However, if they just stand there and wearing just a white robe, how can she determine what eight was standing in front of her, since that eight's personality is not showing.

Sorry Jason, that's totally wrong. Only Centurions cannot tell the copies apart. In Rapture all the other humanoid Cylons knew that the Three they were talking to was not D'Anna. To them each copy is as individual as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Watch Downloaded and note the way the background Cylons react to Caprica Six.

[The Nubs]

I can see the interest in Boomer being the final cylon. But it just doesn't work for me on one simple point. If she is a member of the FF and different from the other 8's then how could she be programmer for her "secret mission" while on galacitca. To me you would have two different forms of programming within one model which would then cause a conflict. Now I know you could say the attempted suicide was part of that conflict, but if she was a member of the FF then at some point she had to have either been activated in which the Centruions and/or raiders would know this. Second, if she hasn't been activated why not? I think it would be a great twist but I just think that it doesn't make for a great ending after all this build up. I think it has to be a different character. Still up in the air as to who it is. My opinion changes every new episode.

[Jason1975]

Sorry Jason, that's totally wrong. Only Centurions cannot tell the copies apart. In Rapture all the other humanoid Cylons knew that the Three they were talking to was not D'Anna. To them each copy is as individual as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Watch Downloaded and note the way the background Cylons react to Caprica Six.

So if each three is so different then the rest of the threes, then why did they box the whole line of threes then.

[genji2000]

I can see the interest in Boomer being the final cylon. But it just doesn't work for me on one simple point. If she is a member of the FF and different from the other 8's then how could she be programmer for her "secret mission" while on galacitca. To me you would have two different forms of programming within one model which would then cause a conflict. Now I know you could say the attempted suicide was part of that conflict, but if she was a member of the FF then at some point she had to have either been activated in which the Centruions and/or raiders would know this. Second, if she hasn't been activated why not? I think it would be a great twist but I just think that it doesn't make for a great ending after all this build up. I think it has to be a different character. Still up in the air as to who it is. My opinion changes every new episode.

In Season One she thought she was a human. Beneath that she was a Cylon. Beneath that she was F5. It's possible. If the Cylons can programme her to believe she's a human, why couldn't she programme herself to believe she's a Cylon? Maybe the attempted assassination of Adama was to get her off the Galactica at a time when she had some inclination that Athena was on her way. Maybe the time was just right to begin the conversion of the Cylons to 'humanity'.

No, we don't know that she's been activated as a F5 yet, at any point in the show. The great ending will depend on the type of F5 she is: is she the leader, the high priest? Is she in direct contact with the 'higher power'? Is she the higher power?

There is every possibility that it's not Boomer. If you consider her a candidate then she is the most underplayed candidate (by the Writers). I just can't see an argument against her that isn't easily explained or at least open to persuasion.

So if each three is so different then the rest of the threes, then why did they box the whole line of threes then.

Because of a fundamental flaw (in Cavil's eyes) that may have led any other individual Three to "do the same again". Also, a clever Cylon who knows what she's doing can access the memories of other copies of her model. I believe this excludes accessing memories of a different model, so only the Threes were potentially capable of accessing D'Anna's vision of the Final Five memories.

Again I would refer you to Wouter, who explained the processes of downloading and resurrection to me, based on the show itself and various published interviews and extrapolations.

[crood]

I agree that you can tell one member of a model from another by their personality and maybe what clothes they wear. However, if they just stand there and wearing just a white robe, how can she determine what eight was standing in front of her, since that eight's personality is not showing.

As others have pointed out, this is not the case. Athena was dressed as another Eight on New Caprica and D'Anna reconized her. Later, Athena recognized Boomer without her saying anything. Likewise, Natalie recognized Boomer when she walked into the room to cast the deciding vote in Cavil's favor.

[Jason1975]

As others have pointed out, this is not the case. Athena was dressed as another Eight on New Caprica and D'Anna reconized her. Later, Athena recognized Boomer without her saying anything. Likewise, Natalie recognized Boomer when she walked into the room to cast the deciding vote in Cavil's favor.

okay, I see what you guys are coming from and you guys persuaded me that they can tell each other apart. However, I am not buying Boomer has the final cylon.

[genji2000]

okay, I see what you guys are coming from and you guys persuaded me that they can tell each other apart. However, I am not buying Boomer has the final cylon.

That's fair enough. I think it's a leap to buy into one Cylon 'model' also being another model. Wouter explained how it's possible and maybe if you read his comments you'd be convinced, but it's all down to your own intuition in the end.

[intuition=subconscious]

[Jason1975]

That's fair enough. I think it's a leap to buy into one Cylon 'model' also being another model. Wouter explained how it's possible and maybe if you read his comments you'd be convinced, but it's all down to your own intuition in the end.

[intuition=subconscious]


I have my own theory that takes account what RDM said in interviews and his podcasts, what characters said about the final five. Yes I am getting my theory with the evidence soon

[genji2000]

I have my own theory that takes account what RDM said in interviews and his podcasts, what characters said about the final five. Yes I am getting my theory with the evidence soon

Hit me. I'm a blank page.

[Jeff O'Connor]

I'd like to see it, too. I'm a sponge for all theories, no matter how much of a long shot any of them can be. Also, the more longwinded, the better.

The notion that Boomer might be it is something I confess I'd never thought about; I forgot the mention that she'd be back 'in a big way', and now I really hope regardless of whether she's the one or not, that Moore didn't seriously mean her 4.0 presence was to be described as big. She was back, she had influence, she did something major, but her on-screen presence has been lacking for a very, very long time.

And this could certainly be a big way to bring her back fully.

Has anyone given much thought into the fact that it appears as though Tigh were the one who uttered those words at the end of the preview trailer for 4.5? Could that be a clue in and of itself? It could end up being as useless as anything, but who knows, really? Could it make Caprica-Six a candidate, or even something even more farfetched, such as their offspring?

[james968]

4. Deana only saw 4 of the Final Five in her vision.

I don't see her admitting she doesn't know (and weaken her position).

As per the other possibilities:
1. Roselyn, Oops she doesn't know, I'll just tell her its a joke. (Tory will be really embarrassed, if it turns out to be Laura). The plausible explanation for her being separated from the group, is she is the most valuable hostage.
2, Baltar he was separated from the other sheep along with Laura, but I think it was mostly because he possesses his own WMD (http://wiki.frakr.com/en/Baltar%27s_schlong) and D'anna wants to use it later.
3. Helo. Someone said he was sent back to the fleet (???) I though only Adama was sent back. If he was sent back to the fleet with Adama, then that would explain why he wasn't in the separate holding cell. (Or possibly since he was senior officer, he insisted on staying with his people).
4. Admiral Adama: According to Leoben 'Adama' is a cylon. He was not on the fleet so 5-1=4. After seeing Roselyn's reaction D'anna is probably aware of the possiblity that the FF are sleepers. (Also since none of them spoke up on New Caprica, say for instance when their eye is getting torn out). She probably very quickly ascertained that Adama hasn't come out of the closet, so she isn't going to tell him, especially with no more resurrection hub.
6. Boomer (WTF???)...... Interesting idea. Maybe her hostility to Boomer is b/c she realizes that Boomer was a spy for the FF and as a spy for the FF, she will go werever there is something shiny. (It kinda does answer the question about how they FF knew about the SS plans). Though Boomer would be my LAST pick from the list.
7. Socrata thrace. She has been on my list from as soon as we found out that she was psycho (and though Kara had a special destiny). She has been referenced since the first season, so although never shown until S3, she has been talked about. It may be at some point when doing research for her story in "Final Cut" D'anna interviewed Starbuck and was shown a picture of her dead mother (which would explain how she knew that strange old woman in the robe was dead) (Geata did show her his Tattoo, in that episode as well).
8. Zack Adama. (OK, Make Boomer my second least likely). Both Bill and Lee are going to have to break out the bottle, if it turns out be be zack. (D'anna again would have to have seen a picture of Zack to recognize him).

9. The Fith is Dead. Unless D'anna has memorized the picture of every single colonial member of the fleet, it seems very unlikely that she could say "Only 4 are in your fleet". It could be she saw the 5th, but didn't recognize them, but that does not mean that they are not with the fleet somewhere. (Who knows maybe on the Tillium refinery ship there is someone who heard the music and couldn't get to Gallactica). So, I think the possibility that the FC is dead is fairly limited, unless it Socrata or Zak (above).

[james968]

On Boomer being back in a big way. I think since she is the only unique member of the Cavil group I think she will either take a leadership role or become an outcast yet again.

The Cavil she was 'dancing for' is apparently gone. Since the other Cavil's haven't tasted the Fruit (a.k.a. Helen Tigh, and Boomer), I don't think they will be too interested in getting any Dance Performances. But who knows she is the only woman among the remaining cylons. (Unless they have other 8 or 6's that are prisoners).

If she assumes a leadership role, she will be back in a big way. If she is an outcast, she may become the most ruthless of those cylon's in order to prove herself to them, again back in a big way.

[Starstruck]

I can see the interest in Boomer being the final cylon. But it just doesn't work for me on one simple point. If she is a member of the FF and different from the other 8's then how could she be programmer for her "secret mission" while on galacitca. To me you would have two different forms of programming within one model which would then cause a conflict. Now I know you could say the attempted suicide was part of that conflict, but if she was a member of the FF then at some point she had to have either been activated in which the Centruions and/or raiders would know this. Second, if she hasn't been activated why not? I think it would be a great twist but I just think that it doesn't make for a great ending after all this build up. I think it has to be a different character. Still up in the air as to who it is. My opinion changes every new episode.

I agree. The Boomer theory doesn't wash.

[genji2000]

I'd like to see it, too. I'm a sponge for all theories, no matter how much of a long shot any of them can be. Also, the more longwinded, the better.

The notion that Boomer might be it is something I confess I'd never thought about; I forgot the mention that she'd be back 'in a big way', and now I really hope regardless of whether she's the one or not, that Moore didn't seriously mean her 4.0 presence was to be described as big. She was back, she had influence, she did something major, but her on-screen presence has been lacking for a very, very long time.

And this could certainly be a big way to bring her back fully.

Has anyone given much thought into the fact that it appears as though Tigh were the one who uttered those words at the end of the preview trailer for 4.5? Could that be a clue in and of itself? It could end up being as useless as anything, but who knows, really? Could it make Caprica-Six a candidate, or even something even more farfetched, such as their offspring?

I don't want to entertain the thought that it might be offspring because that would infer some kind of reincarnation (soul passing) as opposed to resurrection (soul maintaining). I briefly entertained the thought that both Caprica Six and Athena might be backups of the Final Cylon, to be activated should Boomer totally die. This was because Athena started singing the Korean lullaby to Hera in Sine Qua Non at about the time in The Hub that the Hub went up in smoke and Boomer might have died. When I say briefly I mean for about five minutes.

Wouter reckons Tigh has become much more Boomer-focused in this season (not sure I agree) so should Boomer show up again that would explain why it's Tigh who (potentially) recognises her as a F5 and tells her so.

For me, for all that Athena has constantly suffered at the hands of the colonials (being left till last to be tested for infection, being sent out into the radiological storm field to find a path through to the algae planet, having her baby stolen and hidden by Darth Roslin, etc. etc.), Boomer's is the most tragic tale in the show and I'll never forget (I mean, like she was a real person) her confusion after she shot Adama and her anguish in the brig... even the way Tyrol coldly pushed her away when his man got sent down. She was so alone in the colonial fleet, so alone on Caprica, and is still so alone in the Cylon fleet, treated as a 'pet' by an old pervert with no love for anyone.

This is just a TV show, right?

[genji2000]

she will be back in a big way.

I think this is the main drawback to the 'Boomer is the Final Cylon' argument. I can't believe that a cast member (was it Aaron?) would say this because he must assume that that statement would draw attention to the possibility, unless he's so sure that no one will guess it's Boomer. Given that just about every character, ship and object has been proposed, I don't see how he can assume that. Then again I don't see how he can state that the internet theories are way off beam, that no one's come close.

I agree. The Boomer theory doesn't wash.

Which bit doesn't wash?
http://www.battlestarforum.com/showpost.php?p=18373&postcount=32

[Jeff O'Connor]

I think whoever it was who officially said that, they must have missed something on the internet, because as you point out, every character, ship and object has been suspected at this point, each with its own explanation.

Except...

Cloud Nine. Think about it. It blew up unfairly, it's been around since the first season and if you listen to the reporters in the background in this one particular episode, someone mentions it again and --

Again, kidding.

[genji2000]

Again, kidding.

Yeah, I would've got that one without the hint. :)

I'm thinking it might be Hera's Fisher-Price toy phone. Where better to watch over and protect the first of the new breed from?

[stavrosg]

This thread is starting to get really silly :lol:

[5th Cylon]

What do you mean? Helo was in the last supper photo.

lol i wrote that just before i was going to bed(working midnight shift) i sort of noticed it myself now

[justadude]

Yeah, I would've got that one without the hint. :)

I'm thinking it might be Hera's Fisher-Price toy phone. Where better to watch over and protect the first of the new breed from?


...and we know, without a doubt, that the phone came from earth ;)

[LSOP]

I can see the interest in Boomer being the final cylon. But it just doesn't work for me on one simple point. If she is a member of the FF and different from the other 8's then how could she be programmer for her "secret mission" while on galacitca. To me you would have two different forms of programming within one model which would then cause a conflict. Now I know you could say the attempted suicide was part of that conflict, but if she was a member of the FF then at some point she had to have either been activated in which the Centruions and/or raiders would know this. Second, if she hasn't been activated why not? I think it would be a great twist but I just think that it doesn't make for a great ending after all this build up. I think it has to be a different character. Still up in the air as to who it is. My opinion changes every new episode.


The raiders had no problem attacking the fleet even though it contained activated F5 members. They didn't automatically sense it. It was only when Anders got out there and made red-eye contact that they knew. So Boomer could have been activated but the Raiders just never knew.

I don't see any problem with the "programming". Boomer's role in the final five was special in that she was the first to be activated. Unlike the others, whose "programming" so far has only involved the irrisistable urge to follow music, the frozen gun hand and eye thing with Anders, and the hush-hush self-preservation instinct, with Boomer she had "programming" to stir up trouble in the fleet for the ultimate purpose of bringing the cylons and humans together.

I don't think Boomer is going to have any other activation. I think she already had it. The other F5 first realized they were cylons, then later realized that they were probably the Final five. When D'Anna showed up, they were sure that they were F5. Boomer first realized she was a cylon, but won't automatically assume she is one of the F5, because she looks like an 8. Only D'Anna can reveal it to her. Once she knows, she can realize that all her struggles and trials have been for a purpose, and she can step out of her depression and resentments and claim her role as uniter of human and cylon.

At the resurection tank on the Hub, D'Anna realized that Boomer didn't know she was one of the Five. And it wasn't the time to tell her. So she just let her go, hoping that the future might open up another oppurtunity.

So I don't think Boomer needs any other activation. She just needs to realize who she is.

Of course, what further role the F5 are going to have, and what unique powers or abilities they will reveal, if any, I have no idea about.

One troubling issue with the Boomer theory is that the cylons seemed to know who was hidden in the fleet, and presumably as each was outed and died/resurected, they were welcomed home by their fellow cylons as war heroes. Boomer gets this same treatment on Caprica after Cally kills her, as if they knew she was placed on Galactica as a sleeper agent. But we never hear exactly how it went down. Maybe they just met her at the resurection tank and didn't really know her story until she told them, (or until the 8's accessed her memories.) The cylons seem to take credit for creating her fake background as a human in the Colonies, but that is not completely clear. Also, Athena is able to access Boomer's memories of being aboard Galactica so she can connect with Helo. This means that there is more of a connection between Boomer and the other 8's than just sharing body shape. Maybe that's where she got her name. Because she's "Sharin" body types with the 8's. :p

[LSOP]

...and we know, without a doubt, that the phone came from earth ;)

If you look very closely in the the final scene of destruction, you can see a charred but intact fischer price phone laying in the sand. I think it is the transponder!:smilewink:

[genji2000]

Good arguments. It gathers pace this theory. What a laugh it'll be if the actual Final Cylon turns out to be far more disappointing.

I don't think Boomer is going to have any other activation. I think she already had it.

...

So I don't think Boomer needs any other activation. She just needs to realize who she is.

OK I can buy into that. None of the other Final Five were 'activated' as F5, only as Cylons. It leaves me wondering though if this 'fundamental difference' is merely a hook onto which the Writers can hang all the broken rules, like about Cylons not being able to procreate with Cylons (I'm parking that thought in respect of 'love' being the missing piece).

However, the point about that moment between D'Anna and Boomer on the Hub remains. Whether you cal it 'activation' or 'realising what she is', Boomer is not yet cognisant of being F5, so D'Anna was sounding her out, imo.

The other F5 first realized they were cylons, then later realized that they were probably the Final five. When D'Anna showed up, they were sure that they were F5. Boomer first realized she was a cylon, but won't automatically assume she is one of the F5, because she looks like an 8. Only D'Anna can reveal it to her.

Only by D'Anna can it be revealed. I'm not sure Tigh's exclamation in the preview for 4.5 was "You're the Fifth?". I think it was definitely a statement, informing the Fifth.

Once she knows, she can realize that all her struggles and trials have been for a purpose, and she can step out of her depression and resentments and claim her role as uniter of human and cylon.

At the resurection tank on the Hub, D'Anna realized that Boomer didn't know she was one of the Five. And it wasn't the time to tell her. So she just let her go, hoping that the future might open up another oppurtunity.

So I don't think Boomer needs any other activation. She just needs to realize who she is.

Of course, what further role the F5 are going to have, and what unique powers or abilities they will reveal, if any, I have no idea about.

One troubling issue with the Boomer theory is that the cylons seemed to know who was hidden in the fleet, and presumably as each was outed and died/resurected, they were welcomed home by their fellow cylons as war heroes. Boomer gets this same treatment on Caprica after Cally kills her, as if they knew she was placed on Galactica as a sleeper agent. But we never hear exactly how it went down. Maybe they just met her at the resurection tank and didn't really know her story until she told them, (or until the 8's accessed her memories.) The cylons seem to take credit for creating her fake background as a human in the Colonies, but that is not completely clear. Also, Athena is able to access Boomer's memories of being aboard Galactica so she can connect with Helo. This means that there is more of a connection between Boomer and the other 8's than just sharing body shape. Maybe that's where she got her name. Because she's "Sharin" body types with the 8's. :p

lol.

I would guess resurrection was fairly new when Boomer and Caprica Six resurrected so there would naturally be a welcoming party. By the time Helo shoots Athena, or even when D'Anna dies after her vision of the Final Five, they're pretty lackadaisical about the process and as long as someone's there to greet them it's not that important. The fact that D'Anna (Boomer's unwillingness to reintegrate with Cylon society notwithstanding) hails Caprica Six as a war hero but wants Boomer boxed (also the line, which I paraphrase, "aaaw, you're a war hero too sweetheart") indicates that if they did know about Boomer's mission, they didn't consider it all that important (or maybe she failed in it). As I've said before, I'm not sure they did, but if they did, her natural F5 propensity for being in the right place at the right time (cf. Tigh, Tyrol and Tory) ensured she was the Sharon who got the mission.

[afleaah]

you know my little new thought seems really silly after readin all of this boomer theory goin on here
but i was just wondering...
why is dee there?
why did dualla go on the planet with them...?
i dont think she was the xo(wouldnt that be helo's spot after tigh) or anyone or dire consequence...
we see all the cylons there...the s7 and the FF
and all the significant humans...the president, the admiral, baltar, lee, starbuck...
but why did dualla go???

[LSOP]

However, the point about that moment between D'Anna and Boomer on the Hub remains. Whether you cal it 'activation' or 'realising what she is', Boomer is not yet cognisant of being F5, so D'Anna was sounding her out, imo.

I agree.

Only by D'Anna can it be revealed. I'm not sure Tigh's exclamation in the preview for 4.5 was "You're the Fifth?". I think it was definitely a statement, informing the Fifth.

Maybe Tigh can figure it out. If he scratches his noggin for awhile, he may realize that the only other person who was a sleeper in the fleet besides himself, Sam, Tory, and Galen was Boomer, and he may confront her on it. Or maybe he confront D'Anna first to confirm. Maybe D'Anna is going to try to contact Boomer under the guise of making a recommendation about trying to contact the 1/4/5 cylons, and Saul will get suspicious and figure it out.

I would guess resurrection was fairly new when Boomer and Caprica Six resurrected so there would naturally be a welcoming party.

I had never thought about the fact that resurrection was a new thing to the cylons. I suppose they had checked it with volunteers to make sure it worked, and maybe they had used it to resurrect after a skinjob's fatal accident every once in a while, but Caprica 6 may have been the very first wartime resurrection, and so it would have been something to gather around for. And Boomer/Sharon was probably the first 8.

More later.... called down for dinner.

[genji2000]

Originally Posted by genji2000 >
However, the point about that moment between D'Anna and Boomer on the Hub remains. Whether you cal it 'activation' or 'realising what she is', Boomer is not yet cognisant of being F5, so D'Anna was sounding her out, imo.

I agree.

You know, I'm not so sure I agree with me any more. I've been thinking about that scene and in my mind I remember the slightest hint of a moment of understanding between D'Anna and Boomer, like the Raider/Anders/Right Eye thing... and the way Boomer left, again possibly clouded by memory, seemed purposeful and as if D'Anna expected it. I don't know, maybe if I watched the scene again I'd discount all that, but the very controlled manner she stated there were only four Cylons in the fleet...

Maybe Tigh can figure it out. If he scratches his noggin for awhile, he may realize that the only other person who was a sleeper in the fleet besides himself, Sam, Tory, and Galen was Boomer, and he may confront her on it. Or maybe he confront D'Anna first to confirm. Maybe D'Anna is going to try to contact Boomer under the guise of making a recommendation about trying to contact the 1/4/5 cylons, and Saul will get suspicious and figure it out.

...

I had never thought about the fact that resurrection was a new thing to the cylons. I suppose they had checked it with volunteers to make sure it worked, and maybe they had used it to resurrect after a skinjob's fatal accident every once in a while, but Caprica 6 may have been the very first wartime resurrection, and so it would have been something to gather around for. And Boomer/Sharon was probably the first 8.

More later.... called down for dinner.

Yeah I guess it had been tested, but Caprica Six and Boomer were, as you say, the first live combat downloads.

There was probably the odd Six downloaded back on the Cylon homeworld in one of the cafes after a freak chip pan accident.

[LSOP]

You know, I'm not so sure I agree with me any more. I've been thinking about that scene and in my mind I remember the slightest hint of a moment of understanding between D'Anna and Boomer, like the Raider/Anders/Right Eye thing... and the way Boomer left, again possibly clouded by memory, seemed purposeful and as if D'Anna expected it. I don't know, maybe if I watched the scene again I'd discount all that, but the very controlled manner she stated there were only four Cylons in the fleet...

It could be that the seed realization was planted in Boomer during that exchange of glances, and that she can will now figure it out on her own.

[Martyr of the Cause]

you know my little new thought seems really silly after readin all of this boomer theory goin on here
but i was just wondering...
why is dee there?
why did dualla go on the planet with them...?
i dont think she was the xo(wouldnt that be helo's spot after tigh) or anyone or dire consequence...
we see all the cylons there...the s7 and the FF
and all the significant humans...the president, the admiral, baltar, lee, starbuck...
but why did dualla go???

Because she's the final Cylon.(?) They've made efforts to have casually her in scenes for the last few episodes. I think they want to keep her "in shadow" and build her up more to give more punch to the Final Cylon reveal near the very end of Season 4.

[LSOP]

I would tolerate Dualla as the final cylon as long as they don't mix in the Zoe Graystone Caprica prequel stuff. That would be just wrong. Does anyone have Dualla/final cylon theories that don't rely on another show to make it work?

[genji2000]

I would tolerate Dualla as the final cylon as long as they don't mix in the Zoe Graystone Caprica prequel stuff. That would be just wrong. Does anyone have Dualla/final cylon theories that don't rely on another show to make it work?

Sorry. Mine relies on The Office.

[Jason1975]

you know my little new thought seems really silly after readin all of this boomer theory goin on here
but i was just wondering...
why is dee there?
why did dualla go on the planet with them...?
i dont think she was the xo(wouldnt that be helo's spot after tigh) or anyone or dire consequence...
we see all the cylons there...the s7 and the FF
and all the significant humans...the president, the admiral, baltar, lee, starbuck...
but why did dualla go???

That is a good question since Gaeta is not there. that is a little puzzling to me too.

All the S7 are not there. All the rebel S7 are represented though so I do get your point.

[Jason1975]

I would tolerate Dualla as the final cylon as long as they don't mix in the Zoe Graystone Caprica prequel stuff. That would be just wrong. Does anyone have Dualla/final cylon theories that don't rely on another show to make it work?

Well it not the Zoe Graystone Caprica prequel stuff. My theory mixes in the Zoe Graystone after the Caprica prequel stuff. :p Seriously, the only reason I mixed the Zoe stuff because I could not see why Dualla would be in need of redemption. Zoe was the only way to explain that at the moment. Also, it would account why Caprica Six feels that the final five are in the fleet and why D'Anna believes that the fifth is not in the fleet. While other people are discounting what RDM, Writers or the characters are saying and feeling that goes against their theories, I am trying to disprove my theory. So, if I see hard evidence that someone brings up or I see on the show, I will say I am wrong about my theory. If the final cylon has not be relieved by then I will create another one.

[LSOP]

Sorry. Mine relies on The Office.

That might be ok. What is your theory?

[genji2000]

That might be ok. What is your theory?

Well, we already know Dwight Schrute can travel through time because a) he can (as per the fax messages) and b) he must be a clone because he looks like one. He's been in the show since Season One, and he's neither in the Last Supper photo, nor not in it, likewise with being in the fleet, so that's convinced enough. He clearly wrote the note that he wrote and he likes it to be shiny for the chip in his mind that plays the songs he plays. This in itself is enough but in the nuclear war, though his body deserted him, his backup jumped raindrop to raindrop through the air until it landed in Dee's hair. She was happy in the CIC but didn't you notice how sad she was in Brooklyn? Because now they have to walk to Scranton.

[genji2000]

Look, I told you.

http://www.battlestarforum.com/picture.php?albumid=16&pictureid=171

[LSOP]

Well, we already know Dwight Schrute can travel through time because a) he can (as per the fax messages) and b) he must be a clone because he looks like one. He's been in the show since Season One, and he's neither in the Last Supper photo, nor not in it, likewise with being in the fleet, so that's convinced enough. He clearly wrote the note that he wrote and he likes it to be shiny for the chip in his mind that plays the songs he plays. This in itself is enough but in the nuclear war, though his body deserted him, his backup jumped raindrop to raindrop through the air until it landed in Dee's hair. She was happy in the CIC but didn't you notice how sad she was in Brooklyn? Because now they have to walk to Scranton.

That is an amazingly well thought out theory. Can I change my poll vote now?:)

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Brilliant! Dwight as the Final Cylon! :thumbsup:

Where'd you get the picture?

[genji2000]

Brilliant! Dwight as the Final Cylon! :thumbsup:

Where'd you get the picture?

Lai San. Where else?

[Ceej]

Serious (Sorta) Theory: The final cylon is Starbuck's father. The only thing we know about him is he was a musician. Music has been pretty crucial to the F5. Socrata knew, but wouldn't tell Kara the truth, only that she was special, not why. It also might explain why Socrata was so fucked up.

Not Serious Theory (borrowed from several other people with the same speculation): Adama will begin obsessively folding origami unicorns. Harrison Ford will suddenly appear. He's the final cylon. Unless he's not. Depending on which version you see.

[Pnutmaster]

Not Serious Theory (borrowed from several other people with the same speculation): Adama will begin obsessively folding origami unicorns. Harrison Ford will suddenly appear. He's the final cylon. Unless he's not. Depending on which version you see.

That paragraph deserves a 'lmao'.

And as the last of the Cavil Cylons explode into nothingness, Adama will turn to the rebel Cylons and say, "You've done a man's job!".

[genji2000]

That is an amazingly well thought out theory. Can I change my poll vote now?:)

In addition to the facts I laid out earlier, there are clues all through the show. Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXTGd1Sab-w

[LSOP]

Yes. And doesn't Dwight say that anyone who doesn't watch BSG is an idiot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBAixy4T0kY&feature=related