The Hub - Baltar and Cylon conversation.

[The Nubs]

Does anyone think that there is more to that conversation than just a throw away scene that was used to get him injured. He could have been anywhere in the ship, even with Roslin and have that happen. Does anyone else think that the cylon was actually listening and understanding what he was saying? Could Baltar be the centurions god in the future? Could we see a split between the centrions and skin jobs at some point and they take Baltar to be their god? There have been a couple of moments where it seems like the Centurions are actually thinking about things and planning something. I mean, it happened before, why not again? That is one of the themes of the show isn't it? I know it was sort of an homage to lost in space, but could it have been all for nothing?

[genji2000]

Does anyone think that there is more to that conversation than just a throw away scene that was used to get him injured. He could have been anywhere in the ship, even with Roslin and have that happen. Does anyone else think that the cylon was actually listening and understanding what he was saying? Could Baltar be the centurions god in the future? Could we see a split between the centrions and skin jobs at some point and they take Baltar to be their god? There have been a couple of moments where it seems like the Centurions are actually thinking about things and planning something. I mean, it happened before, why not again? That is one of the themes of the show isn't it? I know it was sort of an homage to lost in space, but could it have been all for nothing?

You know what? It'd be really funny to see Baltar condemned to living his life with only Centurions for company, and as their master... rather like Baltar in TOS.

[aylinn]

I think Baltar had this conversation because he knew that humanoid Cylons won't see him as someone special, and because the Hybrid was not listening to him. He spend some time on a basestar and thinks that everyone should see him as an oracle. That's why he's pissed when Roslin shouts at him, the Hybrid doesn't give a frak about him and so on.
He wants to show everyone around that he can spmehow control Cylons and be their mentor even if it's just a Centurion.

[Asiriya]

I agree with this, it seemed like the Centurion was getting ready to speak at numerous times.
The Centurions keep on having things revealed to them; they were freed, they learnt about the lobotomies, they began to forge a place in the Cylon society as more than just servants, and now they are receiving their enlightenment. It is building up to something, hopefully they are going to become far more important.
Or, they kill 3 and the only name she can speak is the Final name perhaps? Hmm.

[Martyr of the Cause]

I felt like that scene (when viewed in the greater story) was foreshadowing of Baltar subverting the Centurions to his agenda in the second half of the season. (At the time, I think it was just Baltar wanting to feel important and talking to someone who would listen.) I definitely feel that in the "all this has happened before, and will happen again" theory of life in BSG, these newly-liberated Centurions will rebel against the Human/Human-Model-Cylon alliance, very possibly under Baltar's reign. I could even see the final conflict coming down to everyone else vs the Centurions.

I think that scene was very significant as a sign of things to come.

[Osprey]

um, if it does come down to everyone else v centurions, aren't they at a pretty lagre diadvantage? i mean, centurions are pretty much the redshirts of the toaster side -- they've been plinked by raiders, raptors, humans with rifles, etc. etc. over the past 3 seasons -- handing baltar "command" of them would be giving him a pretty big gooney prize ...

/jmo ...

[Stairway]

Baltar seemed to be desperate to have someone listening to him.

[Proxenus]

I just looked at this as another example of Baltar's narcissistic behavior. He didn't have his followers pandering to him and none of the Galactica's crew will listen to him. The humanoid Cylons are no longer listen to him. The hybrid Cylon does not react to him (I thought it was funny when he claimed he could communicate with it and it kept jumping). So, he had to find new entities to listen to him.

It appears to me that Baltar's personality requires him to be at the center of attention. He needs that adulation. Remember, during Final Cut, he keeps trying to get onto the video.

I think this is going to blow up in his (and the human's) face because the mechanical Cylons may rebel against everyone and look out for their own.

[Washi]

From an interview with Jane Espenson:

CMix (From reader Tommy): What was the purpose of the scene between Baltar and the Centurion? It seemed it was mostly there to put Baltar in a place where he could become injured so Roslin could save him? Or perhaps the scene is there to serve a larger purpose? Maybe Baltar is planting the seeds of another Cylon revolt?

JE: Baltar could've been injured with or without the Centurion, so it wasn't a matter of moving the chess pieces. I'm just fascinated by Centurions and love exploring their POV on this whole thing.

Planting revolt-seeds? Hm. Wouldn't that be just like him? Of course, that particular Centurion blew up.

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So in other words, no. It was just a pointless diversion thrown in by Jane Espenson because she thought it was "interesting". Pity she couldn't write it that way.

[mariarilke]

Yup. It was definitely a throwaway scene. I wouldn't read into it that much if I were you.

[Teknopathetik]

The centurions are being propped up. Taking out there upper function inhibitor and now baltar talking to them as if they were people.

The centurions could recognize the presence of the final 5...maybe they are much smarter then they let on? There was the raider that seemed to have consciousness when it had that grudge against kara right? Perhaps the cents are gaining consciounsess too.

[Proxenus]

The centurions are being propped up. Taking out there upper function inhibitor and now baltar talking to them as if they were people.

The centurions could recognize the presence of the final 5...maybe they are much smarter then they let on? There was the raider that seemed to have consciousness when it had that grudge against kara right? Perhaps the cents are gaining consciounsess too.

Centurions are just as independent as the Significant Seven. The inhibitor chip forces them to follow the Significant Seven's orders.

[Joffa]

I am too thinking that the Centurions are to raise up and take a larger responsibility.

That scene is (IMO) just Baltar being the usual schemer and two faced person that he has repeatedly shown us. It may be that later he uses the Cent's as his personal ego, in terms of actually having something revere him as he (IMO) obviously needs to feel Human or should I say important. After all he is a rather spineless.

Just my 2 C's worth

Joffa

[Neakal]

It was a reason to have Baltar be somewhere when he got injured. However, I think there was some sort of significance in that scene that was implied since "Six of One".

There was a moment in that scene when Baltar said something like "He [God] is your God too" and the Centurion suddenly turned his head to him. I have a feeling that until that point, the Centurion was ignoring him. Maybe wondering what that human is onto. But after that God comment, he seemed interested. And I always had a thought that he switched on some kind of wireless communication to the other Centurions and went like "you guys listen to this. I think he has a point don't you think?"

Speaking of Centurion motives, the Centurion that attacked Eight obviously did so because he(?) disagreed or was compelled to stop the unplıgging. But did that reaction reflect the opinion of all Centurions? Did they even know that one of their own shot one of their bosses and was promptly murdered?

[jms]

They didn't have to do this conversation to get Baltar in a position to get hurt. They could have done that in any way. They even could have done it in the other room, with Laura narrowly escaping injury.

Maybe it's not setting up some future plot point, but it's not a "throw away" conversation. At the very least, it's having the viewer think about Baltar's new role, judge it, see its potential for liberation as well as more sinister motives.

[Joffa]

I cant help but think that in some future episode (10 Left NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!)
That Gius may be forced or thinks it is in his best interest to have the Centurion Cylon army at his command. Is that too retro to the original series? or is it in some way destined to have the Centurions turning their backs on their superiors maybe??
Just on a tangent.

Joffa

[Sparrow]

I cant help but think that in some future episode (10 Left NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!)

now they are going to be 12 :thumbsup:

no wait..is still to few..

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[stavrosg]

12 episodes? source?

[genji2000]

12 episodes? source?

The Wiki links to this:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html

It'll still be ten episodes I think but the last one will be three hours.

[stavrosg]

The Wiki links to this:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html

It'll still be ten episodes I think but the last one will be three hours.
Oh, this is so cool :D

[genji2000]

Oh, this is so cool :D

That's three hours including an hour's worth of commercials.

[stavrosg]

Some friends of mine take care so I never have to get annoyed by the commercials.

[Sparrow]

That's three hours including an hour's worth of commercials.


I allways count episodes as 41-45m long .. dont know why they say "one hour"

[genji2000]

I allways count episodes as 41-45m long .. dont know why they say "one hour"

It's because they last an hour including commercial breaks. It took me a while to get my head around that. I always watched 45-minute episodes, from the DVDs or wherever, and when RDM and others were discussing running times in terms of an hour I was really put out that I'd missed lots of extended editions. Duh. :lol:

[Sparrow]

Yes...i know that the hour is including comertials.. but again i never counted comertials in the run time..

That would put for example a 2 hours movie aired in TV to 3 hours