Final Cylon poll (The Hub version)

[redwards95]

From what happened in "The Hub" and the preview for "Revelations" after it, this seems like a good time for another last cylon poll. Since the Cylon resurrection hub has been destroyed, I have left out the "dead person" option this time. If you still want to vote for a dead character (Ellen Tigh, Kat, Billy, etc.), pick "somebody else." I think it will be Dee. She would not be my choice if I wrote for the show, but she seems to fit all the clues we've been given best. If it is her, I would assume we have yet to see her gain redemption. Jamie Bamber did let out that there is a big Dee focused episode that answers a lot of questions about her character upcoming in a recent interview.

[Xenon242]

Jamie Bamber did let out that there is a big Dee focused episode that answers a lot of questions about her character upcoming in a recent interview.

Oh, god.

[genji2000]

I'm sticking with the choice I've maintained throughout Season Four, but I dithered and I expect to change my mind after Revelations.

[stavrosg]

Still going for Dee, too.

[Emperor Fabulous]

I've been a strong supporter of Romo as the 5th for a long time, and am going to stick to that. However, I would not be surprised if it's Dee, or Zarek.

[Starstruck]

I've been a strong supporter of Romo as the 5th for a long time, and am going to stick to that. However, I would not be surprised if it's Dee, or Zarek.

Heh, I'm sticking to my choice to - Baltar, but it wouldn't surprise me if anyone was the final at this point.

[5th Cylon]

i'll go with Felix Gaeta, i personally think the 5th one should be a major character but i sort of ruled out starbuck and Baltar(who i originally thought it might be), I also don't think either of the Adama's or Rosslyn will be it leaving the only "major" character left possible being Helo(who i also don't think it will be).

Whoever it's going to be it most likely will be a dissapointment(unless it one of the people on my it won't be list)

I would add Tom Zarek to the list of people i wouldn't be dissapointed with(especially if the ending story is that life repeats itself), i guess i would be open to anybody as long as they gave a good explanation why they so important to be named the last one(else tigh or tryol should have been the final reviel)

[genji2000]

Is it worth mentioning that we saw Roslin, potentially "still in shadow" (no love in her life), clawing "toward the light" (physically, to save Baltar), "hungering for redemption" (almost anything - the truth about the Opera House, conjuring up Elosha for guidance, watching her own death) and Baltar's weak, quiet "howl of terrible suffering", or Adama's as Roslin dies, or even the destruction of the Hub, or not?

[redwards95]

Is it worth mentioning that we saw Roslin, potentially "still in shadow" (no love in her life), clawing "toward the light" (physically, to save Baltar), "hungering for redemption" (almost anything - the truth about the Opera House, conjuring up Elosha for guidance, watching her own death) and Baltar's weak, quiet "howl of terrible suffering", or Adama's as Roslin dies, or even the destruction of the Hub, or not?

Yeah I could see how that scene could be interpreted as fulfilling the hybrid's prophecy. Or to turn it around, it could refer to Baltar in the same scene. However, I'm going to accept RDM's statement about the Last Supper picture until it's proven false (which won't surprise me much), so the final cylon can't be Roslin or Baltar.

[genji2000]

Yeah I could see how that scene could be interpreted as fulfilling the hybrid's prophecy. Or to turn it around, it could refer to Baltar in the same scene. However, I'm going to accept RDM's statement about the Last Supper picture until it's proven false (which won't surprise me much), so the final cylon can't be Roslin or Baltar.

Maybe it's Head Baltar in the picture, or after The Hub Head(ish) Roslin.

[Osprey]

my $.02 -- we don't have any more frakking clues about the last one now than we did at the beginning of the season!

/i'm beginning to buy into the whole lee thing, so wtf i'll put him down here; tho like with other posters it's gotten to the point where any of the follwowing: [all perhaps still likely] felix, dee, romo, & tom would elict little more than a "oh, ok" from me ...

[pagad]

Sticking with Lee.

[5th Cylon]

/i'm beginning to buy into the whole lee thing, so wtf i'll put him down here;

my problem with Lee is how can he be a cylon if we know who his dad is. He can be a half and half like Hera but wouldn't his father have a clue if he was a full blooded cylon

[alpha5099]

I'm surprised to see that Lee's got the most votes. Considering all my Galactica-loving friends think I'm crazy for pegging him as the Final Cylon (they're all big Gaeta supporters), I didn't expect many people to buy into the idea. I'm not alone. I still insist the Final Five are not understood enough to make many assumptions about how they work. I suspect they don't resurrect so much as reincarnate.

[5th Cylon]

(they're all big Gaeta supporters)

Gaeta has 2 things going for him,

1. a couple episodes ago when he was singing, it was pretty pointless if that doesn't have some meaning behind it

2. He was the guy feeding the resistence information on New Caprica(all 3 guys in the resistence were cylons)

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

The Final Cylon is whoever Ron Moore wants it to be, regardless of any "information" we may or may not have been given before.

[Osprey]

um, is there supposed to be a spoiler tag there or sumtin'?

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

um, is there supposed to be a spoiler tag there or sumtin'?


You must've read the version of the post where I forgot to add the slash to close the spoiler tags. :p

[pagad]

I'm surprised to see that Lee's got the most votes. Considering all my Galactica-loving friends think I'm crazy for pegging him as the Final Cylon (they're all big Gaeta supporters), I didn't expect many people to buy into the idea. I'm not alone. I still insist the Final Five are not understood enough to make many assumptions about how they work. I suspect they don't resurrect so much as reincarnate.

There's other threads and explanations and such but see this theory (http://en.battlestarpegasus.com/wiki/The_Last_Cylon:_Who_is_the_Fifth_of_the_Final_Five _in_%22Battlestar_Galactica%22#Unmasking_the_Last_ Cylon). It's one that I agree with.

[Kristiger]

Why so many people for Lee? How can he be a Cylon when we know both of his parents? The FF can't be that different, judging by Tori's super-strength and Sam's red eye.

Besides, it is Doc Cottle.

[Osprey]

well, how can tigh be one when he fought in the 1st cylon war?

trust me, i was extremely dismissive of the lee theory for months -- but joe's essay [linked above] is tre persusasive! i would suggest a thorough reading of it ...

/cottle i suppose could be intersting if he was, but IF the 5th has known for some time he is one, cottle has been, well, rather uncharitable re: cylon anatomy ["how could you people not improve the plumbing?!' etc.] it hence just would seem rather contrived ...

[Kristiger]

^ Nice avatar. ;)

I don't have any great theory to explain why Doc Cottle will be the final Cylon, except that he is the coolest secondary character in the show, and he has always be curiously non-judgemental towards Cylons. He is the only human who never expressed any hate for them, which is odd since they wiped out most of the 12 colonies after all.

On a more general level, I don't think who the last Cylon is needs to be a BIG surprise (for example Roslin or Adama), rather the important thing is how this revelation happens, and what he does once outted.

In my opinion, the last Cylon knows who he is from the start, he will know the way to Earth and explain to the other FF what is going on. To sum it up, he will be used by the writers as a way to explain to the viewers the history of the 12 colonies and Cylons; in a more natural way (for BSG) than a flashback or "holo-vid" that wouldn't fit in the show.

It doesn't really matter who he is. The whole "1 will be revealed" catch-line is just a way to keep the fans guessing and the buzz going, much like "And they have a plan" in the first season.

[Coopsomulous]

Im sticking with Helo - especially since caprica 6 is apparently pregnant with tigh's baby.


Although I have a feeling that the last cylon will be female

[5th Cylon]

I don't have any great theory to explain why Doc Cottle will be the final Cylon, except that he is the coolest secondary character in the show, and he has always be curiously non-judgemental towards Cylons. He is the only human who never expressed any hate for them, which is odd since they wiped out most of the 12 colonies after all.

Cottle is actually #2 on my list for that reason. On one hand i guess they could write a good reason why he the final cylon(more so then alot of the other minor characters), on the other hand he just isn't a big enough name.

[The Nubs]

I've had to change my vote Felix to Helo. Over time I just get a feeling that Hera is special because she is the first child of two cylons and not a mix between cylon and human like Nicky is. He also seems to be very torn at times between duty and honor which makes me think that he at times is conflicting with his programming much like Athena did on Caprica.

[5th Cylon]

I've had to change my vote Felix to Helo. Over time I just get a feeling that Hera is special because she is the first child of two cylons and not a mix between cylon and human like Nicky is. He also seems to be very torn at times between duty and honor which makes me think that he at times is conflicting with his programming much like Athena did on Caprica.

Since Hera seems to be a big part of the plot i think the child is a mix breed, i guess it can still be special being the first clyon love child but it sort of loses some of what makes it special in my opinion.

I actually wouldn't mind Helo being a Cylon but i don't see it happening

[hera_kara_terra]

Hey all. First time poster here.

I really believe that the final cylon will be Zerek. If for no other reason that he played Apollo in the original and would just be a big publicity hype for the show. If it is not anyone in the final supper picture then it really has no real wow power. Remember its not about wowing the diehard fan that sits and reads and posts about it. It's about who the average fan will sit and want to discuss at the water cooler etc.... (you know..wow did you hear? the guy that played apollo on the original BSG is the final cylon this time around. oooohhh cool) I hope not but it makes sense.

I mean really. Obviously episode 10 is going to show us right at the very last second who the final cylon is. Right? Why? so that we all will sit and discuss it for the next 9 months. No plot outlines no nothing just like they did last year with the 4 and ofcourse the predictable we found earth tease again.

i am in no way "hateing" on the show> i just think that this is the only reasonable outcome based on ratings.

[Davidss]

Wild theory:
What if the final cylon isn't a person? What if it was the viper that took Starbuck to earth and back?

[Xenon242]

First off, welcome aboard, nugget. :)

My question to you would be: what possible purpose would one of the Final Five being a vehicle be?

[Xenon242]

I've had to change my vote Felix to Helo. Over time I just get a feeling that Hera is special because she is the first child of two cylons and not a mix between cylon and human like Nicky is. He also seems to be very torn at times between duty and honor which makes me think that he at times is conflicting with his programming much like Athena did on Caprica.

That's an interesting angle. I'm not sure I agree with it, but I'm not willing to discard it just yet, although I do think the final Cylon would have to have a lot of gravitas, truth be told, and be in a leadership position.

[The Nubs]

Wild theory:
What if the final cylon isn't a person? What if it was the viper that took Starbuck to earth and back?

In other Sci-Fi shows this might make sense but not BSG. That would make it more Knight Rider/Transformerish to have the final cylon be a ship. I think they could have gone that route if they started to put out clues or hints starting at the begining of the show but to throw something like that out there now would just not make sense. But I still wouldn't like it.

[Martyr of the Cause]

There's been so many possible directions dropped in Season 4 that I have to stick to my original guns and go with Dualla. (Actually, I originally thought it supposed to be was Starbuck at the end of Season 3, but when it wasn't really confirmed on-screen I started looking elsewhere.) I imagine Dualla's lack of screen-time has been to lull us into a false sense of security, and that she'll get a big episode in the second half of the season.


Or I am super-crazy, and it's actually both Roslin and Starbuck for an actual total of 13 models ... but I don't think I'm crazy. Besides, if I'm right, I get so many "I knew it" points that it's worth looking crazy until then. I'm just surprised how many others voted for Dualla this time around -- she's second only to Lee now.

[timbo]

Wild theory:
What if the final cylon isn't a person? What if it was the viper that took Starbuck to earth and back?

Maybe the shiny viper is really Scar.

[genji2000]

Maybe the shiny viper is really Scar.

Good spot. You should run with that idea and develop it.

[timbo]

Well, I was half serious. And did I dream it, or did someone mention Scar in the last episode. But, I thought Scar was out of ressurrection range when he died. It does have a nice symmetry though -- the two greatest warriors, one from each side in some sort of alliance.

While I am here -- yoohoo, Spain 4, Russia 1. In your face all the Europeans on the forum who have no team, or a bad team in the tournament. And for the Americans who only have L.A.Galaxy and Posh and Becks, you have my sympathy. Although maybe you could do a "world series" of football, but just for american teams, like in the other sports.

[5th Cylon]

There's been so many possible directions dropped in Season 4 that I have to stick to my original guns and go with Dualla. (Actually, I originally thought it supposed to be was Starbuck at the end of Season 3, but when it wasn't really confirmed on-screen I started looking elsewhere.) I imagine Dualla's lack of screen-time has been to lull us into a false sense of security, and that she'll get a big episode in the second half of the season.

On my list of most dissapointing person to be the final cylon(at least on the options given) Dualla would be the tops. I would much rather have the 12th cylon be the viper as the guy mention(least that would sort of be cool) or even #3(a theory that makes 0 sense posted by somebody else on a different thread)

Starbuck was also my original guess as well(i probably should go with my initial hunch as opposed to possible disinfo producers might be throwing out(i pick Gaeta after i heard that nobody in the Last Supper picture will be the 12th cylon)). The only reason i can see 7 people voting for Dualla is because there is some rumor coming out that she might be it.

[Osprey]

ahem! u.s. soccer does not begin and end with the galaxy; there are 1/2 a dozen clubs better than them, even with the washed-up pretty boy ...

annnnd, whilst someone couldn't even shut out russia, someone else shut out argentina over the weekend ...
:-)

[timbo]

ahem! u.s. soccer does not begin and end with the galaxy; there are 1/2 a dozen clubs better than them, even with the washed-up pretty boy ...

annnnd, whilst someone couldn't even shut out russia, someone else shut out argentina over the weekend ...
:-)

Excellent comeback, sir.

However, in the football speaking world, we call it a clean sheet, not a shut out. It was still a pretty good retort though.

[redwards95]

The only reason i can see 7 people voting for Dualla is because there is some rumor coming out that she might be it.

My thinking goes something like this:

- I accept RDM's statement about the Last Supper (altough I'm very suspicious of it) and that the final cylon has been a character since season one. That eliminates basically all of the major candidates for final cylon except Dee, Gaeta, Cottle, and Zarek.
- Leoben told Roslin that Adama is a cylon. By being married to Lee, Dee was for a time an Adama. It's not clear whether she is officially divorced from him yet although he kind of implied it when he talked to her in the hangar during his farewell ceremony. We were meant to believe with Roslin that Leoben was just lying to cause dissension among the colonials, but what if he was right?
- Gaeta losing his leg and singing are obvious signs that he is the final cylon. In fact they're so obvious that he can't possibly be the final cylon. Instead, his song is about the final cylon which is our clue that the final cylon is a woman. Having the final cylon be a woman would make the total balance 7 men, 5 women among the models whereas if it's a man it would be 8 men, 4 women.
- Dee's first name Anastasia means "resurrection" and her last name refers to duality and deception such as a cylon acting like and thinking she's a human.
- Of the 4 candidates left us, Dee has by far been the most prominent in the series until season 4. She had relationships first with Billy then with Lee ultimately ending in marrying him. She continues to be an important member of the C-in-C crew although rarely shown in season 4. We barely know anything about Gaeta's and Cottle's background. Zarek has been only an ocassional character although he has been featured in several important episodes.

For all these reasons, I think it will be Dee. This doesn't make me entirely happy especially since Dee has been all but invisible this season. I would have chosen Roslin or Baltar if I had written for the show. But given the information we've been given in interviews and seen on the show, Dee is my best guess at who it will be. I'm still hopeful there will be a 13th cylon too.

[5th Cylon]

- Leoben told Roslin that Adama is a cylon. By being married to Lee, Dee was for a time an Adama. It's not clear whether she is officially divorced from him yet although he kind of implied it when he talked to her in the hangar during his farewell ceremony. We were meant to believe with Roslin that Leoben was just lying to cause dissension among the colonials, but what if he was right?

while i agree your other points are great, i am iffy on this. I assume none of the cylonc besides #3 know who the 5 cylons are, although i guess Leoben does seem somewhat like a prophet.

I am starting to wonder though like you say if the final supper pic is just dis-info(because let's face it everybody in that pic would make the most sense being the final cylon for the most dramatic purpose, like i said my initial hunch says Starbuck but because of that info i switched it)

[Martyr of the Cause]

Dualla is definitely still in shadow, though, slowly clawing her way towards the light of more screen-time :)

[Xenon242]

Dualla is definitely still in shadow, though, slowly clawing her way towards the light of more screen-time :)

If only Kandyse McClure had the acting chops to make us give a crap ... ;)

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

If only Kandyse McClure had the acting chops to make us give a crap ... ;)

Ditto. Although she did a good job in "Home" and held her own against EJO... :) She has done very little of value since, other than to be a slightly whiny glorified house wife and flaunting her Uhura impression.

In fact, she's the Maren Jensen of the series, now that I think about it.

[RobotWolf]

Does anyone know if the actors who play the final four were used in the season three scenes to be the robe-wearing FF in de'anna's vision?

If that's true, then the final five seems like it would have to be a white female.

If that's false, then they got really lucky and used one male that was decidedly more husky than the other two. (Chief)

Now that I'm thinking about it. I remember reading that the actress who plays Tory didn't know, for sure, that Tory was a cyclon until they filmed the last episode of season three.

So...they couldn't be the same actors, right?

[Xenon242]

Stand-ins, I would suspect, if for no other reason than to keep these identities secret from sharp-eyed, savvy fans until the big reveal.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

They were all stand-ins.

[genji2000]

They were all stand-ins.

http://www.scorlibran.org/chris/pictures/Final_Five.jpg

Reminds me of the spot the ex-celebrity round in Never Mind the Buzzcocks.

[stavrosg]

Stand-ins (unsurprising, since probably the identities of the five were not decided yet)

[Aphrodite]

Sorry folks. I still am going with Tom Zarek.