My last vote for the Final Cylon goes to....

[jabedoben]

Romo Lampkin.

I don't know why exactly, but my gut tells me it is him. He would add shock value, because no one could suspect it is him. He hasn't played much of a role up to this point besides Baltar's trial. Something Lee says to him in Sine Non Qua (I won't spoil it here) leads me to believe it is him. There's something about that cat of his as well. Egyptians and their obsession with cats anyone?

I still think that there is a 13th Cylon to coincide with the 13 colonies. My gut tells me that it is Baltar, and the Baltar we have known all along is a humanoid cylon designed after the original man who created the cylons to begin with.

[Neakal]

The moment I saw Romo, I went like "this guy is a Cylon". And if the whole thing with the Final Five did not exist, if the Fantastic Four was not revealed etc... I would have still thought so.

The thing that made me go "Romo is a Cylon" was the same thing that made me go "Cavil is a Cylon". Both characters, upon introduction, established themselves with an odd, unconventional view of the world and are cynical, slightly eccentric and morally dubious. For some reason that kind of misterious behaviour seems associated with undercover Cylons.

And if Romo was introduced earlier, he could have been a candidate. But he was introduced two episodes before the Fantastic Four was revealed during which the identities of the Final Five had been long decided upon.

I see your point. However, while Romo Lampkin as a Cylon could be interesting (though too Cavil-like imo), Romo Lampkin as THE Final Cylon doesn't convince me.

Plus the cat thing isn't much of a pointer. The new BSG takes its mythology from Roman-Greek and we only saw one direct Egyptian reference in the whole series (The Pyramid buildings on Caprica was more of a TOS reference than Egyptian). Now, if the series had its mythology from Ancient Egypt like TOS, than it could have a point.

[Olucatei]

Romo Lampkin.

I still think that there is a 13th Cylon to coincide with the 13 colonies.
I'm warning ahead in case of any razor spoilers. I have also thought this much, but the details of a 13th Cylon should coincide with the details of the 13th colony. We know the 13th tribe went in a different direction of the rest of humanity after the uprising on Kobol, that they left markers to find them, were recorded in human records, and they were destroyed long before the rest of humanity could reach them. Baltar doesn't fit any of these yet as far as we know. Someone who does fit some of these characteristics though is the hybrid in Razor. The hybrid followed an evolutionary path that was distinct from the rest of the models (it appeared to be more like a terminator from the testing shown and was referred to by Sharon Agathon as being an evolutionary dead end), the hybrid wandered in deep space away from the rest of the Cylon race, we don't know if it left any markers for future cylons to find it, but we do know the it was recorded in Cylon records and that it was destoyed by nuclear arsenal. So I think after the human race goes extinct and a few millennium pass the cylons would be faced with an uprising and look for sanctuary from the final cylon model. Maybe, I'm just guessing.

[genji2000]

Hello Olucatei. Welcome to the forum. Unfortunately, a thirteenth Cylon is too complicated because the Final Five are the last surviving members of the Thirteenth Tribe, and the Thirteenth Tribe were the Cylons from the previous cycle according to recent spoilers.

Way too bump a thread, though. I don't think Romo Lampkin can be the Final Cylon because a) he's way too obvious, b) he was instrumental in getting Lee in to temp as the president, and c) his cat's irrelevant. Romo's just a mentally ill secondary character.

[The Dirt]

The cat's not dead - it transferred its consciousness to Romo's body.

[Chiefchess]

not one of the usual suspects (Bill Adama, Lee, Starbuck, Laura, Baltar, etc.)
Reason? The infamous last supper picture. Also, the shock value wouldn't really be there. Let's face it. No one was more shocking than Tigh. The end. Period. :thumbsup:
I still think it is a character who has already died and will soon be resurrected back to us. That would be the shock factor, because it will be a character that hasn't been on our minds lately. And I still predict the final cylon will be a female because 1) the female characters are more interesting overall (sorry guys!), 2) you need more females to balance out the cylons (7 males v. 4 females) and 3) most of the interesting characters who have died are female (Cain, Ellen, Kat, etc.)
I wish someone on the show will drop another hint. I would like to at least narrow down the list of potential suspects before January.

[Wouter]

Reason? The infamous last supper picture. Also, the shock value wouldn't really be there. Let's face it. No one was more shocking than Tigh. The end. Period. :thumbsup:

I suspect this is true. Hard to top Tigh, and it doesn't look like they are aiming for that.

As for a more narrow list of suspects, between RDM's last supper picture comments and D'Anna's statement about 4 in the fleet, they have given lots of hints already. Plus some other statements ("not a dayplayer", "someone seen in the show", etc) give a few more hints. I don't think we're going to get much more.

FWIW, in a recent interview Stephanie Jacobson ("Kendra Shaw") outright denied being the final Cylon, and said that she would not re-appear in BSG. I'm inclinded to believe her, so that's probably one somewhat likely candidate less.
Stephanie is in The Sarah Connor Chronicles now. That's a good show to check out for BSG fans by the way, if I may make publicity for it for a moment.

[gmuno]

D'Anna statement "There are 4 of the final five in the fleet."
The way she said it made me think it was meant like 4 in the fleet of the Colonials (Tigh, Anders, Torry, Tyrol) and one already on the basestar ergo main characters Rosslin, Baltar and not so main Helo, Hot Dog and so on.

[Wouter]

The Cylons were just about to execute Hot Dog along with the other hostages (he is also hardly important enough), and Helo, Roslin and Baltar are all in the last supper picture.

[Bluce_Ree]

Romo being the final Cylon would be even worse than it being Gaeta or Dee.

I reckon the final Cylon is Bill Duke.

[Emperor Fabulous]

I've been sticking to my Romo Lampkin choice for some time now, my gut tells me it could be someone else, but I've seen and heard enough to, at the very least, justify Romo as the final of the five. Romo has been more influential than anyone lately, having saved Baltar's ass (granted, with help from Lee but his manipulation of Lee was the key), and pushed Lee into the presidency during the Roslin crisis.

He has a story of escaping the colonies, he has been a complete unknown in the fleet (as far as us, the audience are concerned) all this time and comes across to me as the right type of character to be one of the final five. Plus you have the fact that he wasn't on Galactica when the nebula 'watchower signal' activated the four, so if he has been switched on, we obviously don't know this yet as we haven't seen him during the nebula incident.

And then of course, there is the subtle 'ringing in my ears' line that he delivers in the lead up to the end of S3 that, although is explained by the explosion that almost kills him, makes me wonder if that was a little clue left by the writers.

Although I'm sticking to my Romo guns, it's likely not him; but I'm still collecting evidence to support choosing him. ;)

[Hofner1962]

I posted this in another thread but
I had a couple of thoughts on Romo today - which probably mean nothing at all.

The first is that maybe he is the actual "Jesus" figure in this narrative (assuming there is one). There has been a lot of emphasis placed on Baltar - some of which I think is just the writers messing with us - but Romo had that lovely speech about how Joe Adama immersed himself with the worst of the worst (pulicans and sinners anyone?) to see what makes humans tick. Why they do the things that they do. So Romo did the same. A deep study of human nature seems like something one might do if you were trying to program human replacements.

Another funny thing - probably coincidence - is that Romo Lampkin is an anagram for - map room link. Other peoples names in the show are pretty normal - as in you could find them in a run of the mill baby name book. His is way off the map.

[thevarrior]

FWIW, in a recent interview Stephanie Jacobson ("Kendra Shaw") outright denied being the final Cylon, and said that she would not re-appear in BSG. I'm inclinded to believe her, so that's probably one somewhat likely candidate less.
Stephanie is in The Sarah Connor Chronicles now. That's a good show to check out for BSG fans by the way, if I may make publicity for it for a moment.Yes, not least because the music is also that of Bear McCreary's :D. I'm a fanboy.

Also at least I know that her accent is genuine. I half expected her to keep shooting up in front of Derek Reese.

[The Dirt]

Romo Lampkin is an anagram for - map room link.

Or room lamp kin. Or room palm kin. Or room pal mink.

He's in the fleet, so that pretty much takes him out of the running for me. However, there's something there, in an Ellen kind of way.

[ThPrime]

Other peoples names in the show are pretty normal - as in you could find them in a run of the mill baby name book. His is way off the map.

Many names came predefined by the original series, but Ron Moore has admitted that other character's names were inspired by internet name and surname searches.

The first name Romo is no mystery. See the Wiki or podcast. Lampkin is archaic Welsh or Celtic for shepherd, a herder of sheep, from a time when people took their last names from their vocations. Romo certainly holds the opinion that most people in the fleet are sheep. But I think (Mark) Sheppard = Shepherd = Lampkin is most probably the hidden pun.

[Batman316]

I'm glad someone else saw that Jo Adama= Romo Lampkin....

Atleast I'm not the only one who's suffered a short circut.....

Think of the scenes with Lee, and the ones with Will Adama, add what we know about Caprica, roll a hard six and you end up with Romo being a downloaded Jo Adama.

Obviously this means=
he's not a cylon but something different.

I wonder how many 'not a cylon but something different' characters we're going to end up with.

[Emperor Fabulous]

But I think (Mark) Sheppard = Shepherd = Lampkin is most probably the hidden pun.

That has been constantly rolling around my head for some time now. :D

[Hofner1962]

But I think (Mark) Sheppard = Shepherd = Lampkin is most probably the hidden pun.


Thanks for that. That would imply that they intended for him to play it before they wrote the script - though I guess they could change it at the last minute. I didn't notice in commentary - did they write this part with him in mind?

[Mishakal]

I agree with the idea that the Final Cylon is a character that they killed off and will return to the fleet (most likely having been resurrected on Earth prior to the destruction of the Hub).

While I'm inclined to say it's Ellen Tigh for shock value I think it would make more sense for the story for Helena Cain to return, think of it as a final blow to any residual anti-cylon sentiment in the fleet. The woman who tortured a Cylon (Gina-Six) to the point of psychosis is a Cylon herself.

[Wouter]

I agree with the idea that the Final Cylon is a character that they killed off and will return to the fleet (most likely having been resurrected on Earth prior to the destruction of the Hub).

While I'm inclined to say it's Ellen Tigh for shock value I think it would make more sense for the story for Helena Cain to return, think of it as a final blow to any residual anti-cylon sentiment in the fleet. The woman who tortured a Cylon (Gina-Six) to the point of psychosis is a Cylon herself.
She did not torture Gian because she was a Cylon though; but because she allowed Centurions to board the ship, which killed 100s of the ships crew. In addition, she had also previously been working on sabotaging the ship's systems as per the general Cylon plan to make all battlestars defenceless through the navigation program. And she did all this while pretending to be Cain's "special friend". No wonder Cain feels betrayed in the most vile way possible. Even if Cain would turn out to be a Cylon, that suddenly doesn't change this, just like Tigh and Tyrol and Anders weren't in any hurry to go join their Cylon "cousins". Boomer likewise had a hard time accepting to live with those who took so much from her. Tory is an exception, on this point.

Aren't the final 4/5 not supposed to resurrect, actually?

[Mishakal]

She did not torture Gian because she was a Cylon though; but because she allowed Centurions to board the ship, which killed 100s of the ships crew. In addition, she had also previously been working on sabotaging the ship's systems as per the general Cylon plan to make all battlestars defenceless through the navigation program. And she did all this while pretending to be Cain's "special friend". No wonder Cain feels betrayed in the most vile way possible. Even if Cain would turn out to be a Cylon, that suddenly doesn't change this, just like Tigh and Tyrol and Anders weren't in any hurry to go join their Cylon "cousins". Boomer likewise had a hard time accepting to live with those who took so much from her. Tory is an exception, on this point.

Aren't the final 4/5 not supposed to resurrect, actually?

I've never heard anything on the show that says "the Final Five could never resurrect" and I think that they (at least in the past) CAN resurrect for a simple logical reason.

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If they were part of the 13th tribe like some of the spoilers say they were then that implies that they have been alive for a couple thousand years and since organic matter AGES, no matter how slow, it would imply that the only way for the Final Five to have survived to this point of time is that they resurrect into new bodies when their old bodies wear out.

Plus I also think that Helena Cain fits the bill for the Final Cylon because of what the First Hybrid said, "... the fifth waits in darkness, yet reaching for the light" or something to that effect. It could fit for Helena, refusing to acknowledge the evil that she has done, yet in a small part of herself wanting to be forgiven for it.

[fr33lancer]

Another funny thing - probably coincidence - is that Romo Lampkin is an anagram for - map room link. Other peoples names in the show are pretty normal - as in you could find them in a run of the mill baby name book. His is way off the map.

Ya, but so is " A milk moron"

[Pnutmaster]

I've never heard anything on the show that says "the Final Five could never resurrect" and I think that they (at least in the past) CAN resurrect for a simple logical reason.

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If they were part of the 13th tribe like some of the spoilers say they were then that implies that they have been alive for a couple thousand years and since organic matter AGES, no matter how slow, it would imply that the only way for the Final Five to have survived to this point of time is that they resurrect into new bodies when their old bodies wear out.


I think it was RDM who noted the Final Five do not resurrect. On that note, could they not be the descendants of the Thirteenth Tribe?