Guess What's Coming to Dinner? - 5/16/08

[Shane]

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Preivew 12pm EST SciFi.com
Airs: 10PM EST on SciFi Channel

[Shane]

So far the preview is very promising. :D If you saw the sneak peek, a lot of it comes from that, but that's what we get. :)

[redwards95]

Looks like another great episode from the preview. I can't wait to see the whole thing tonight.

[caprica_six]

It looks like the 8's are being bi-polar again. I really have this theory about the 8's. Because they are with the S7 and not the F5 they act ad the polar model, the one's who can't make up their mind with loyaly. It seems that way about most of the 8 models from last episode.

I've been thinking this ever since Six of One when we found out the model sequence. That Boomer sided with Cavil is just, for the sole purpose that Athena has been loyal to being a colonial since day one on Galactica. The seem to be opposites.

Any ideas?

[Sgtpayne]

Interesting preview.

How is Hera getting these "suggestions"? Curious.

Money that Caprica Six gets shot.

More after the episode...

[Starstruck]

I'm in the central time zone, so...wow. Wow.

[Hermes]

Wow! Wow! Wow! Amazing episode. So wonderfully bizarre. That's BSG at it's best.

[OldManRivers]

HOLY SNAP!

Another fantastic episode. I agree with what Joe said a few episodes ago. I think the previous episodes were amazing set up for this whole excursion we're embarking on with the Rebel Cylons and the Fleet. The ending of this episode was just so beautiful. I'm really loving it. Sooo sooo loving Battlestar Galactica.

[TheKid965]

The episode was good - finally, it looks like some answers are forthcoming - but the preview for next week (plus one)... whoa.

[Shane]

Again, I hate this cliffhanger thing It was getting so good at the end and then boom...done.No more until May 30th! 2 WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:madder:

I am mad. Ok done with rant. 10/10. More after I wake up, and I will post tomorrow evening my thoughts on the episode.

[caprica_six]

I agree Hermes!! OMG I was on the edge of my seat literally. They really brought it home for me. It's gonna keep getting good as we go on. I think when they unbox D'Anna she will try to tell us who the Five are but of course we willl be left with a cliff hanger about the Fifth just before the break. Does anyone know how long the break will be??? I've hear Jan 2009 and that makes me right pissed.

[Hermes]

I can't get over how wonderfully erie that was with Gaeta singing that drug induced song while the hybrid jumped. Then he looks at the camera. BSG rocks!!!!!!!!!!

[Starstruck]

Yeah. I am now in love with Gaeta. And no hesitation at all, just "JUMP!" Wow.

[Brian A. Reed]

I have two initial thoughts:

1.) WOW!

2.) TWO weeks!?!?!? Grrr...

Awesome episode.

[Dwyn2435]

Oh god Saul. Saul and Gaeta are now pirate buddies.

[champseyebrow]

Wow, powerful song, and quite eerie as someone previously mentioned. That said, does anyone know how we may find out what song it was Gaeta was singing?

[The Dirt]

All I can say is HOLY CRAP! That was awesome. We finally get some more answers, and a lot of new questions. I have a feeling that Athena's days are numbered. There has been this theme lately that people and Cylons are eventually going to have to get along, and those that can't do it are killed off. Cally, Barolay, the Six that killed Barola are a few that come to mind. Also, very cool preview for the Hub... but 2 weeks?!?!

[Gougef]

No new episodes during holiday weekends - Memorial day.

Oh god Saul. Saul and Gaeta are now pirate buddies.

My thought exactly.

[caprica_six]

Oh god Saul. Saul and Gaeta are now pirate buddies.
I was thinking the same thing

[Orpheus_Lupus]

Not looking forward to Athena's obvious demise. I sort of saw it coming, which is actually the problem XP. I feel like "Well, you're going to die, you're going to die, you're going to die...Whoo." I don't feel like going into my thoughts on that, though ;-) If I've interpreted the Opera House sequence correctly, she won't die until after Roslin though (if it's related to the order in which they wake up).

At any rate, I'm going to have to watch this one again to decide if I like it or not. My dad pretty much hates the show now (for reasons that actually kind of make sense writing-wise, admittedly, even if I don't totally agree with it) and it's sort of hard to concentrate on enjoying it when I can feel his scorn while we're watching. Which sucks, because we've ALWAYS liked the same sci-fi shows and movies. Eh. Honestly the end of this season will determine whether it'll be a show whose episodes I'll rewatch again and again or not.

[Shane]

Oh god Saul. Saul and Gaeta are now pirate buddies.


Gaeta's signing == Final Cylon?

I was thinking that when the 4 were discussion about Felix singing or he just likes to sign and we never seen it before.

[Gougef]

Gaeta's signing == Final Cylon?

I was thinking that when the 4 were discussion about Felix singing or he just likes to sign and we never seen it before.


I was thinking more along the lines of loss, but this works too.

[Shane]

All Along The Watchtower was a musical number, so I was thinking, could he be the source of the music since he was the "Communications Officer". But I still like my theory that it's Doc Cottle. Geata was my alternative choice though.

[afleaah]

Money that Caprica Six gets shot.



wrong six...



FRAK ME!!!!

NOW THIS IS WHY I WATCH THIS SHOW!!

I LOVE IT!!

oh man
i just wanted to $hi! myself...
i was on my feet...
i was on the edge of my seat..
i was on the floor...
geata sings for the entire ep...
the hybrid kipnapped roslin...
sharon shot 6...
the centurions are committed...
they're goin to see d'anna...
lee annoys me...i didnt knw he could be so annoyin...
gods...he annoys me more than baltar...

2 FRAKKIN WEEKS... I WONT MAKE IT...

[Sgtpayne]

Initial thoughts regarding tonight episode: Frak me!

I was right about a Six getting shot, but this is why I don't gamble much.

Interesting thoughts Shane regarding the "one who will be revealed". It has been stated by RDM, however, that clues have been left from the beginning about the one. Do you think you would have evidence to support your claim?

Great setup...for TWO WEEKS from now. Hopefully this isn't the end until 2009. That would seriously frak me up (but not surprise me)...

[Shane]

Interesting thoughts Shane regarding the "one who will be revealed". It has been stated by RDM, however, that clues have been left from the beginning about the one. Do you think you would have evidence to support your claim?


I have very good memory but I would really have to go back and start from 33 to watch all the scenes if that happens. I will however check Flight of the Phoenix and Final Cut since they are episodes directly related to his character, but still it's a theory I had just thought of from watching this episode. I just put two and two together watching the episode and I was like... why is he singing. I was like... the last 4 we know of were attracted to music. Why can't one of them sing.

[Chiefchess]

Fantastic episode! But so annoying to sit and wait two weeks. Even worse to wait till 2009 for the final episodes. So nothing to do but wait and try to figure out what happens next. At least the preview gave us clues.
1. So Laura, Baltar, and Helo are captives of the rebel cylons. They will likely be captives for quite a while. Helo will get to know his in-laws better (which will be freaky enough) and will probably get extra attention from the 8s, who will view him as a "man among men" who had the courage to love a cylon and stand by her. Helo will keep his distance but will learn things about the cylons that will help him later. Meanwhile, Baltar and Laura must work together to destroy the Hub, unbox D'anna, find Earth, and learn the truth about the opera house. That will be fun to watch.
2. With Laura gone, Adama becomes unhinged (They took my girl! Those frakkin cylons!). Preview suggests he takes BSG and leaves the fleet behind (suggests an internal conflict between him and the Quorum). Also finds out Saul and Caprica are an item, and he and Saul fight about it. I doubt that Saul will tell Adama at this point that he is a F5. Someone else will rat the F5 out.
3. With BSG gone, the civilian fleet will be involved in a power struggle. Lee will be left behind to try to pick up the pieces. Romo will probably complicate matters further.
4. Athena shot Natalie. Too boring to kill Natalie now. Natalie will survive. Sam shot Gaeta. Gaeta will likely kill Sam if given a chance.
5. F4 continue to struggle with what to do next. My advice to the F4 (which won't happen, because it would be too logical for them to do) is to go to Adama, tell him the truth, and formulate a plan to get Laura back. Send one F5 over and promise the others later. Heck, Tory can go to the cylons, say "I'm one of the F5. Now do as I say and let Laura go." Tory won't mind. She likes being a cylon. The other F5 can be revealed to different people as time goes on.
6. Now we sit back and try to figure out what happens next until we all go mad. Maybe we already are and this is a cylon plot to turn us into mindless slaves. :p

[Sgtpayne]

Shane, would love to know how to do the hidden text thing, so I can present my thoughts. Thanks!

[Shane]

Type [ spoiler ] and [ /spoiler ]. I do it if my ideas are even slightly foreshadowing possible future events and predictions that people might not want to see. No spaces between the [ and ]'s.

[Leroy Morte]

"Seafaring Falcon", was that the name on the book in Roslyns hands while sitting in the shuttle with Baltar? I did an Amazon search and a wikipedia search, but got nothing. Is it just me or did they seem to focus on it for a second or two, long enough to read it? Anyone else think that might've been a hint of some kind?

[ThPrime]

Wow, powerful song, and quite eerie as someone previously mentioned. That said, does anyone know how we may find out what song it was Gaeta was singing?

Check Bear McCreary's Blog (http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/) sometime later today.

From post about last episode Faith:

"...the most interesting musical moment in the teaser happens while Kara and the crew are frantically treating Gaeta. Here, the ethnic soloists state a new idea which I will call Gaeta’s Theme for now. This theme will be featured (very prominently) in next week’s episode, so I will save the juicy details and analysis until then. But, it makes several appearances in this episode, foreshadowing the unusual role it plays next week." - Bear

[Sgtpayne]

Thanks, Shane!

My thoughts regarding the "music" issue. We can't be certain that the members of the F4 can't sing. They just haven't yet, or that's at least my thought.

I like the thought regarding reviewing FotP & FC, but might I also suggest the two-parter that starts Season 2 (Scattered & Valley of Darkness). I look forward to your conclusions.

[Dzonatas]

Just about to watch it... I took a peek at the rating and they frakin skyrocketed at this moment!

[Shadow Rider]

OMG is all I can say...

After being a little disappointed with the first few episodes, I have to say that Faith and GWCTD have really made me realize how important they were to setting things up. Also, it's nice to have a bit of contrast...a bit more dramatic after seeing all of the smaller things that led to this point.

[Dzonatas]

Hit ratings are still skyrocketing! It's doubled since my last post.

I don't watch previews for next week, so that talk is all spoilers.

Did the writers strike really set the show that far back, that will have to wait again after the next episode?

[Dzonatas]

Tory seemed like she couldn't turn off the guilt now.

[Specialist]

Wow, that episode was intense. A few things though

I'm curious as to what helo was whispering to starbuck when Baltar and Roslyn were having the meeting on the raptor.

Also, I loved the music when thingo was running around looking for Hera

[stavrosg]

It might sound a bit repetitive, but HOLY CRAP!!!
I was completely blown away from this one. More later, I have much to digest.

[Seanathin]

inital thoughts

I wasn't expecting Natalie to get shot, but once the gun was pulled it became enevetable.
The Hybrid isn't paying around, just jump away.
i rememeber people were saying the baltar hostage spoiler for the Hub didn't pass the small test, guess we were wrong.
Geata totaly a Cylon, that song creepy. (see hes going to get to chill with a half dead nat.

gah fraking two weeks. More to come soon.

[Georgiotje]

I'm from Europe... so I have to go and try to find it on the internet somewhere... Somebody said the Centurions are commited? What's up with the Centurions?

[Sgtpayne]

Somebody said the Centurions are commited? What's up with the Centurions?


Remember that the Centurions aren't as 'reasonable' as the Human models, so they're essentially programmed with orders. It would make sense that it would take time to cancel those orders.

[genji2000]

In the post-show promo for Sine Qua Non there's a brief shot of what looks like Lee Adama taking the presidential oath, with his father and Tom Zarek in attendance.

I sincerely hope Caprica Six defends Athena's reasoning for shooting Natalie, as I'm sure Roslin would have. Hera's "bye bye" Damien moment was chilling... and all those 666s in her drawing book...

The extreme close-up on Gaeta's right eye was telling, but I'll be deflated if he really is the one yet to be revealed. It's like - all of a sudden we'd better give him some dramatic moments, raise his profile. It makes sense that he is, given his involvement from a distance with the Resistance on New Caprica, but it feels too obvious. I was thinking Tom Zarek would be the one, given Leoben's "Adama is a Cylon" warning to Roslin.

It's also interesting that they replayed the double jeopardy card from Resurrection Ship part 2, when Cain and Adama both had agents intending to assassinate the other following the destruction of the Res. Ship; both stood down because, as Adama said, it's not enough just to surivive, you have to be worthy of surviving. In GWCTD, the humans intend to betray the Cylons trust, and vice versa. The Cylons were attempting to retract their order to the Centurions (to prove themselves worthy of the humans' trust, of the FF's approval, and of survival); I don't think the humans were.

[Dzonatas]

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[Asiriya]

@ GenjiWhat does Zarek have to do with Adama's a cylon?
I'm finding it hard to like BSG at the moment. While this was a good episode, comapared with LOST i just find it's severely lacking. It's like being on a see-saw, one minute they trust each other, then next they don't, I find it frustrating that they decide to spend time on it; it would have been simpler and I feel more interesting if the cylons had decided to let the fleet keep the F5, and instead asked for the promise for them to not be hurt etc. rather then taking the aggravating option of taking hostages, which would just strain things further.
I like the Opera house thing, I think jumping away was a great move. I find it strange that Roslin didn't ask for all the palyers to be taken to the basestar though in order to get things moving. Natalie's death was shockiing, but as someone else said, obvious once the gun was drawn. The scene leading up to this with the opera house overlay was quite effective.
By far the best part of the episode was Gaeta's singing though, really hanuting; he has a great voice. I would bet that he is the final now, I hope he isn't a red herring, althoguh I would prefer it if it was someone that had actually been fleshed out and that we cared about; I have barely heard Geata speak in the last season, barring the exodus and trial of New Caprica.
Do hope they include him singing on the soundtrack though.

[pagad]

Wow. I thought Faith was the best episode of the season so far, and then it gets outdone by the episode immediately afterwards.

I was on the edge of my seat all throughout. Is the show written according to Murphy's Law or something? :lol:

That first frak-up with the Demetrius' FTL was one hell of an omen.

I'm also now leaning towards Gaeta being the final Cylon.

[Shadow Rider]

Natalie hasn't died quite yet. While she was shot twice, it's been left very open what will happen to her. I actually quite like Natalie, so I hope she doesn't kick the bucket...;_;

[Ceej]

I think the thing with the title of the book Laura's holding is a bit of foreshadowing. Seafaring Falcon - the book itself is no doubt another one of those pulp mysteries Laura and Bill love. But I'd guess that title is a hint at them being separated from each other while Laura's with the Cylons.

Gaeta's just going to break my heart. I've been thinking he was a Cylon from way back, second season if not first, but lately I've been hoping that the missing one is Zarek. Zarek for the sheer awesomeness of having the original Apollo turn out to be a Cylon. That would be so frakkin' cool! But there the Hybrid's line about the hidden one searching for redemption and a howl of terrible suffering, and Gaeta's got the suffering down cold. Baltar, for all his dramatics, isn't really searching for redemption and he's not really suffering most of the time. He doesn't feel it that way. He's only interested in himself and his self preservation. The rest of it's just him playing the part that seems useful to him at the moment. And Gaeta's felt the need for redemption since New Caprica.

[pagad]

Natalie hasn't died quite yet. While she was shot twice, it's been left very open what will happen to her. I actually quite like Natalie, so I hope she doesn't kick the bucket...;_;

Athena shot her with an "insurance" round after she was knocked over by the first. I thoroughly doubt she can survive that.

All hell's going to break loose next episode.

[Spencerian]

The complete episode summary for "Guess What's Coming to Dinner" is now posted on Battlestar Wiki.

[genji2000]

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Thanks Dzonatas. Sorry. I did read the FAQ and Infraction Policy. I just thought that since the promo for the next episode is out there then this was fair game. I appreciate where the line is now.

Asiriya: in Flesh and Bone, as you know, Leoben told Roslin that Adama is a Cylon. Since none of the SS knew at that time who the FF are or what they look like, his claim was a falsehood intended to sow doubt and paranoia in the president's mind. Therefore, within the 'reality' of the show his comment can be discounted completely. However, in our reality, which includes script writers, it's possible that they intended the message for us as fans. It may be coincidental with Leoben's statement that Dualla, Zak or Carolanne might turn out to be the one yet to be revealed, but Dualla is the only one within the reality of the show who could be. As other contributors have argued, Bill Adama knew both Zak and Lee from birth, and probably Carolanne from a young age, too, and it's fairly unchallengeable that Hera is the first human-Cylon child.

The only other Adama (I think) exists outside the reality of the show, and that's Richard Hatch, who played Apollo in 1978, and who now plays Tom Zarek... just a thought.

I think the "aggravating option of taking hostages" is a deliberate comparison with the intended assassinations in Res. Ship part 2, and as well as Adama's "worthy of survival" comment is also an echo of Athena's "how do you know you can trust me?" and Adama's "I don't - that's what trust is."

We didn't see Natalie die - we just saw her get shot.

Gaeta's Lament reminded me of Pippin singing in the Return of the King when the knights were hopelessly attacking a much greater army.

I think each episode will build up a different minor character to be a potential final model (as they did with Gaeta in this episode) between now and the mid-season break. I think they'll go for the old "who shot JR?" thing.

[jabedoben]

Anyone else find significance in the Opera House flashes and Gaeta's very operatic singing?

I think there's a connection there.

[Dzonatas]

He sounded more celtic or alternative rock.

[genji2000]

He sounded more celtic or alternative rock.

Celtic, like Pippin, I'd say. It didn't sound like At The Drive-In to me. If the cycle of time is an opera, replayed again and again, then the Opera House is the church of time. Music hasn't been that important in BSG (excepting All Along the Watchtower and this episode), but BSG is referred to as a space opera, in contrast with a soap opera.

You might as well ask if there's any significance to the main theme (or Caprica Six's leitmotif) being in 9/8.

The script was at pains to point out that Gaeta's singing helped him to deal with the pain of losing his leg (the song may be his "howl of terrible suffering"). It was his blinking eye as Doc C cut off his leg that captivated me more than the song, and the way he broke the fourth wall in the final shot.

[james968]

My 2,3,4,5 cents........

In the previous episode Geata had addressed Helo as Colonel, but in the Sickbay she asked Starbuck to get Captain Agathon. (I was assuming she meant Athena, but it is Helo who goes with her to the baseship. (Unless they couldn't find Athena and grabbed Helo instead)).

I also noticed Baltar looking over Geta in sickbay (and I was wondering WTF?) He did seem to dress up for the occasion though.

Did Roslyn tell Adama she was going over ot the basestar and going to plug in the hybrid? I'm wondering if someone is going to call the CIC and say "Uh.. you know the basesstar which just jumped away......the president was on it"

It also seemed a little hap-hazzard, the hybrid controls the base star..... 'uh lets plug her in and see what happens (oh by the way the Centurion's get freaked out when you do stuff with the hybrid)'. Did Adama know, she was going to do this?

[Dzonatas]

Baltar still has something on Geate

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

That "something" is from the aborted Sagittaron arc. Don't read into it.

[fwez]

I wonder why the unfolding of the Opera House events happened between Athena and Natalie and not between Athena and Caprica Six who was the one actually sharing the Opera House vision?

[genji2000]

I wonder why the unfolding of the Opera House events happened between Athena and Natalie and not between Athena and Caprica Six who was the one actually sharing the Opera House vision?

I think Athena shot Natalie because of their conversation on the Basestar, when Natalie said "Hera must be beautiful", etc. Too much interest for Athena's liking, I guess. Her reaction to Natalie touching Hera was a) a reaction to a Six, regardless of which one, and b) normal for a mother who feels her daughter is under threat of abduction, having been lied to about her birth and subsequent kidnapping.

Athena has always been treated like dirt by the humans and must be sitting on a barrel of rage, but she exercises forbearance and forgiveness towards them. Her rage must be directed somewhere. A Six is a Six to Athena, like an Eight is an Eight.

[aylinn]

This one even better than "Faith". But Athena is an idiot. Is she frakking blind? There's Caprica Six in her vision not Natalie. But I must honestly say that my jaw is still on the floor. The song sang by Gaeta was great. And I love this scene with Kara and Laura and the face of Kara when Roslin tells her to find Helo. This smiles appears for the moment but dissapears as if Kara didn't want to show how happy she is about it.

I won't make it for two weeks. I want another episode now!

[TPL2008]

Not living in the U.S. is there are particular reason why there's two week gap till the next episode?

And surely that means the UK, currently 4 days behind showing each episode will sneak in front by 3 days.

[genji2000]

Not living in the U.S. is there are particular reason why there's two week gap till the next episode?

And surely that means the UK, currently 4 days behind showing each episode will sneak in front by 3 days.

I think it's because of Memorial Day. Sky will probably also have a week's break (there's no Series Link information after Tuesday) because Sci-Fi will always want to premiere each episode. It'd be really nice to get the next episode early though.

[stavrosg]

My thoughts on the episode:
- One word: "Jump!"

- Roslyn is becoming a real b!tch. Probably because she knows that she will not escape the disease now, so she is not afraid of the consequences of her actions any more.

- I completely freaked out at the "Bye bye!" moment, and surely Athena did, too. I think Hera is already aware of her nature. And did you notice the basestar she drawed in one of the pages?

- Athena is out of her mind. I won't be surprised if she ends up in the brig, AGAIN.

- Why doesn't Baltar share the visions if he is in them, too? Is it Head Baltar there, maybe?

- Anyone else noticed the images of the hybrid in the vision flashes or it was just my imagination? That should also be significant.

[Starstruck]

My thoughts on the episode:
- One word: "Jump!"

- Roslyn is becoming a real b!tch. Probably because she knows that she will not escape the disease now, so she is not afraid of the consequences of her actions any more.

- I completely freaked out at the "Bye bye!" moment, and surely Athena did, too. I think Hera is already aware of her nature. And did you notice the basestar she drawed in one of the pages?

- Athena is out of her mind. I won't be surprised if she ends up in the brig, AGAIN.

- Why doesn't Baltar share the visions if he is in them, too? Is it Head Baltar there, maybe?

- Anyone else noticed the images of the hybrid in the vision flashes or it was just my imagination? That should also be significant.

Yep, I noticed them, repeatedly. I wasn't sure if they were only for our benefit or if they were supposed to be part of the dream/vision.

I'm so excited that Roslyn, Baltar, and Kara are all heading out into the ether with the Hybrid. Where is she taking them? Those three all have a special destiny. So, is that why she jumped? Or did she jump simply because she woke up injured with colonials around? I dunno. Crazy stuff.

This season the game has definitely been pin the tail on the Cylon, building up a character to make them look like the 5th - first Kara, then Baltar, then Cally, now Gaeta. Are we at the right one now, or will we get more mind-fracking? I don't know. I might have to watch the entire series _again_ to look for Cylon clues. Or I could go live my life. ;)

I also thought it was interesting that Dee has a cameo when Athena was running after Hera. Don't forget about her, the writers seemed to be saying.

[jefurii]

Natalie doesn't look like she's dead yet, though she certainly looks like she's dying. She's been acting as the leader of the Cylons. Is it possible that we now have another dying leader?

[Dzonatas]

Natalie doesn't look like she's dead yet, though she certainly looks like she's dying. She's been acting as the leader of the Cylons. Is it possible that we now have another dying leader?

Pretty big gap in her chest --

[Legion]

Wow, powerful song, and quite eerie as someone previously mentioned. That said, does anyone know how we may find out what song it was Gaeta was singing?
Alone she sleeps in the shirt of man With my three wishes clutched in her hand The first that she be spared the pain That comes from a dark and laughing rain When she finds love may it always stay true This I beg for the second wish I made too But wish no more My life you can take To have her please just one day wake

[james968]

Baltar still has something on Geate

I think it has something to do with just the fact they were at one time 'close' (in terms of working together, Geata looking up to Baltar, Baltar blowing him off (like he does most people), and Geata trying to kill him (special bond there :) ).

Baltar did make peace with the Chief (or progress towards peace with the chief), Geata may also be on his list.

[james968]

With the way she treated the dyeing 'red shirt^h^h^h camisole' 8 on the base star and this episode Athena seems be sliding toward the Dark Side.

[Mishakal]

I just had the chance to watch the episode on tape and I have to say... WOW!!!

I can't wait for the next episode since it will clearly be Hybrid heavy and I LOVE the Hybrid.

Judging from the previews for next's weeks episode I would have to guess that Caprica Six gets pregnant and Saul is the baby daddy just from the look on Cottle's face and him saying "I've run some tests on the six".



I wonder how it will all go down (besides the fight scene with Adama and Saul)

[Dzonatas]

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[aylinn]

Pretty big gap in her chest --

But she's still alive. Natalie will for sure be in another episode. If she survives we don't know yet.

I also freaked out when Hera said "Bye Bye". She knows who she is, maybe she still don't understand everything or where she should lead her mother, Roslin and Caprica Six but she knows more than we think.
And why Hera and not Nicolas? He's a half a Cylon too.

[matronik]

^I also was puzzled by it. Why is Hera the only one with "a special destiny"?

[stavrosg]

I think its because Nicolas is still too young to have any significant involvement right now. Plus the fact that apart from the FF, noone else knows he is a hybrid at the moment.

[Shane]

I just had the chance to watch the episode on tape and I have to say... WOW!!!

I can't wait for the next episode since it will clearly be Hybrid heavy and I LOVE the Hybrid.

Judging from the previews for next's weeks episode I would have to guess that Caprica Six gets pregnant and Saul is the baby daddy just from the look on Cottle's face and him saying "I've run some tests on the six".

I wonder how it will all go down (besides the fight scene with Adama and Saul)

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[kalfred]

Hi, I'm new to the forum but wanted to comment on this episode. It was great! Being the father of a 3-year old I thought it was amusing to see a Fisher-Price digital camera on Hera's desk while she was drawing. Did Athena order this from Amazon? I wonder how many other "earth" products are being used thoughout the fleet.

[Shane]

Hi, I'm new to the forum but wanted to comment on this episode. It was great! Being the father of a 3-year old I thought it was amusing to see a Fisher-Price digital camera on Hera's desk while she was drawing. Did Athena order this from Amazon? I wonder how many other "earth" products are being used thoughout the fleet.
Welcome to the forum!

To answer your question, yes. There is a site that has cataloged all the real world stuff. Check it out: Future-Past Parts (http://www.future-past.com/)

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Hi, I'm new to the forum but wanted to comment on this episode. It was great! Being the father of a 3-year old I thought it was amusing to see a Fisher-Price digital camera on Hera's desk while she was drawing. Did Athena order this from Amazon? I wonder how many other "earth" products are being used thoughout the fleet.

Welcome to the forum! Hope to see more of you around here, when your 3 year old gives you the chance! :D

Well, there are Microsoft mice, Marlborough cigs, and the "Frack" mirror in Adama's Quarters.

[The Dirt]

^I also was puzzled by it. Why is Hera the only one with "a special destiny"?

Maybe because Nicholas is too young. What is he going to do -- *crawl* to his destiny? Jokes aside, I think if Roslin started seeing Nicholas in her visions, there would be a whole slew of questions coming up about who he is. I think there's a chance that it will still come up, but maybe it's too early a reveal.

[Asiriya]

- Why doesn't Baltar share the visions if he is in them, too? Is it Head Baltar there, maybe?

Baltar looks surprised to see Six in my opinion; maybe he won't know whats going on till it happens.

[Webomatica]

I also thought it was interesting that Dee has a cameo when Athena was running after Hera. Don't forget about her, the writers seemed to be saying.

Could add some evidence that Dualla is the last of the final five. Athena also saw Chief and Tigh in the halls - both Cylons.

I'll just say this episode restored my faith and interest in this season - it was solid, action packed, and intense. They're building up to something big and as Roslin says in this episode, it's time for answers, which we'll receive soon enough. Especially the last episode of this first half of season 4 titled "revelations".

[Calim]

I was just thinking about something : considering that this episode could give us a new point of view on last week's prophecy, the dying leader maybe being Nathalie and not Roslin, could the three be others than the D'Anna ?

Helo, Baltar and Roslin are three, and they're suddenly missing from the fleet, so they're might be some link between this and the prophecy.

The hybrid gave a prophecy which has been deciphered in a few seconds, but prophecies are generally not what they seem, and that could very likely be the case...
Talking about that, could Gaeta become sort of a Galactica hybrid, giving us some pieces of information through what looks like just a simple song ?

[Jason1975]

I was just thinking about something : considering that this episode could give us a new point of view on last week's prophecy, the dying leader maybe being Nathalie and not Roslin, could the three be others than the D'Anna ?

Helo, Baltar and Roslin are three, and they're suddenly missing from the fleet, so they're might be some link between this and the prophecy.

The hybrid gave a prophecy which has been deciphered in a few seconds, but prophecies are generally not what they seem, and that could very likely be the case...
Talking about that, could Gaeta become sort of a Galactica hybrid, giving us some pieces of information through what looks like just a simple song ?

Welcome to the Board, Calim. It is nice to have new voice on the board.

That being said, I disagree in that Natalie is the dying leader. Doesn't the sacred scrolls say that the Dying leader suffer from a wasting disease. How does Natalie have a wasting disease? Being fatally shot does not count of being a wasting disease. Also, you have to take in context where the prophecy come from. The dying leader came from the sacred scrolls. This why I believe that the dying leader is human not cylon.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

It does says the dying leader suffers from a wasting disease.

So... definitely not Natalie.

But it could be Starbuck, since EJO mentiond in a recent interview that we'll know how Starbuck returned and it is "real sick".

[Jason1975]

It does says the dying leader suffers from a wasting disease.

So... definitely not Natalie.

But it could be Starbuck, since EJO mentiond in a recent interview that we'll know how Starbuck returned and it is "real sick".

Is EJO being literal or figuratively when he said "real sick"? That is very important because if it is figuratively then it could be mean anything.

[Lestat]

so the Centurions are going to attack , Adama is unaware of that and all those who can stop them are gone plus being Roslin on the escaped Basestar Tory is practically in charge of humanity .

Looks interesting

[aylinn]

so the Centurions are going to attack , Adama is unaware of that and all those who can stop them are gone plus being Roslin on the escaped Basestar Tory is practically in charge of humanity .

Looks interesting
Tory is in charge of nothing. In charge right now is the vice president. But I agree that, now when the Hybrid is aweken again Centurions might cause a blood bath, unless they listen to humanoid Cylons. If not...

[jabedoben]

Tory is in charge of nothing. In charge right now is the vice president. But I agree that, now when the Hybrid is aweken again Centurions might cause a blood bath, unless they listen to humanoid Cylons. If not...

"unless they listen to humanoid Cylons"

You could be on to something there. Imagine Tigh having to struggle with whether or not to out himself as a Cylon by deciding to attempt communicating with the Centurions.

[Lestat]

There are two humanoid cylons of the seven on board Caprica in the brig and Athena but again the centurions are independent now and it is unlikely they will take orders from them , maybe from one of the fives , but it must expose himself

about Tory I actually remember Roslin giving her instruction about what must be done I was talking about that, in fact I said practically not actually

[positron]

Just watched this epsode this morning and WOW! I was on the edge of my seat the entire episode, very good! The ending and boom, I have to wait two weeks! :mad:

[Dzonatas]

...being Roslin on the escaped Basestar Tory is practically in charge of humanity .

This is why we don't impeach Bush. :lol:

[ThPrime]

Being the father of a 3-year old I thought it was amusing to see a Fisher-Price digital camera on Hera's desk while she was drawing. Did Athena order this from Amazon?

ThPrimette got one for Christmas. I wonder if Hera likes to delete pictures to hear the trash can sound, just as much as taking pictures too. :lol:

[OldManRivers]

I still want to see the Centurions talk! Is it possible they have a voice that's familar or something else creepy? Like, imagine if they had the voice of Zak Adama or something...hahahahahahahahaha

[jabedoben]

What I was referring to earlier was....

I was referring to the fact that everyone seems to be focusing on the song lyrics and that he's singing because of his leg.


What if he is the 5th, and is singing because everyone is having all these Opera House flashes? Like something has awakened inside of him?

[BSGfan-atic]

Does anybody know if SciFi.com is going to post "Guess What's Coming to Dinner" anytime soon? I don't have cable, or the time to watch it, so having them post the current season's episodes has really been a godsend! This week though, nothing is showing up on SciFi Rewind! I have looked on Hulu as well, and they only have up to "Faith" available. I would appreciate any news anybody might have. Thanks.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

Here's an update on the whole Hulu/Rewind posting thing:

http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2008/05/19/hulu-scifi-delay-posting-for-8-days/

[Osprey]

"I still want to see the Centurions talk!"

i'm sure many do, but -- not gonna happen -- they simply don't appear to be wired for such a thing ...
:-(

"What if he is the 5th, and is singing because everyone is having all these Opera House flashes?"

perhaps, tho the "opera house" theme is different from "gaeta's song" [fwiw] ..

"sine quan none"?!

c'mon hulu, is it that hard to cut and paste?!
:-~

[ScorpionXIII]

I seriously cant believe that in all the time that has gone by since the episode aired, no one has commented on the possible meaning to the lyric's in Gaeta's Lament.
There's so much potential here:

* Alone she sleeps in the shirt of man
* With my three wishes clutched in her hand
* The first that she be spared the pain
* That comes from a dark and laughing rain
* When she finds love may it always stay true
* This I beg for the second wish I made too
* But wish no more
* My life you can take
* To have her please just one day wake
--------------------------------------------
* Alone she sleeps in the shirt of man:
--> Starbuck:She comes back from the dead, yet her every move seems different than the old Starbuck we are used to. She herself states in The Ties that Bind that she feels "distant" and "not in control", as if she was watching herself from another "alien body far away".
--> Athena: Taken more literaly, her alliegence lies on the side of man.

* With my three wishes clutched in her hand
-->No clue, but remember this is BSG, and little things are only understood later.

* The first that she be spared the pain
--> Possibly a reference to the hybrids soliloquy in BSG:R.
"And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering."
We dont yet know _who_ is the sufferer, but if this long _is_ a clue, then that means the fifth is a female character.

* That comes from a dark and laughing rain
-->this completes the previous sentence. I feel that this line HAS substance, but it has yet to reveal itself.

* When she finds love may it always stay true
-->Again, possibly referencing Starbuck, foreshadowing a fallout and recovery of her relationship to Anders once she find out what he is.
-->Or, more clues for the fifth cylon being a female.

* This I beg for the second wish I made too
-->Again, completing the previous line. The song mentions 3 wishes, yet this is the last one mentioned. This means that there is still one missing; Maybe we'll get to hear Gaeta sing some more.

* But wish no more
-->The only thing i can think of about this line is in the context of the song as a whole. In that there were 3 wishes planned, yet the 3rd isnt mentioned for a purposeful reason. Perhaps a life ended/ends before the 3rd wishes can be carried out?

* My life you can take
* To have her please just one day wake
-->Both of these lines obviously belong together. What i get out of it is a couple of things. 1) Someone is sacrificing themselves to save another. Given the Hybrid's prediction, "hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering", one _can_ assume that such suffering can be caused by the loss of a lover/loved one.(A Really loved one)
2)The obvious line "have her please just one day wake" is, i think anyway, the biggest givaway to the fifth cylon. To have her "wake" can easily be considered doing the same thing that the four cylon's did in the Ionion Nebula, their "awakening". And obviously, Gaeta is clearly talking about a female "waking", the biggest hint ever that the fifth cylon IS a girl. Perhaps that guess that Dualla is the 5th might turn out to be true.

So, i think the song does 2 things. It obviously foreshadows alot(meh, alot that we dont know about yet), and it points to the direction that the fifth cylon is a female character.

Btw, i was unsure of the season based on the previous couple of episodes, but it looks like everything is gunna get really fraking awesome soon.

[Leroy Morte]

"So, i think the song does 2 things. It obviously foreshadows alot(meh, alot that we dont know about yet), and it points to the direction that the fifth cylon is a female character."

When the hybrid tells it's prophecies, we try to interpret the words, because the hybrid is more than human somehow. If the 5th of the final 5 is a female, and hence not Gaeta, why do we interpret his words as prophecy? I think the song may not point to the 5th, I think it's just mood music. JMO.

[Shadow Rider]

The writer of the music wrote that it's the story of a lost love...it's not surprising that some common themes (archetypes, if you will =P) come up in the song. ^_^

[timbo]

I seriously cant believe that in all the time that has gone by since the episode aired, no one has commented on the possible meaning to the lyric's in Gaeta's Lament.
There's so much potential here:

* Alone she sleeps in the shirt of man
* With my three wishes clutched in her hand
* The first that she be spared the pain
* That comes from a dark and laughing rain
* When she finds love may it always stay true
* This I beg for the second wish I made too
* But wish no more
* My life you can take
* To have her please just one day wake
--------------------------------------------
.


I too think that Gaeta is singing to Dee. She is beautiful and he spends all day, every day looking at her. Along the way, he fell in love with her. I interpreted the song differently though. I think the first wish is that she be spared pain, the same as you, but I think when he sings "but wish no more" means that he no longer wants his second wish to stay true - that when Dee finds love, which she did with Lee, it would stay always true.

That is how I saw the song, but I dont think it has anything to do with who is or isnt a cylon. Poor guy is just singing about a girl he loves.

[buerger23]

Does anybody know if SciFi.com is going to post "Guess What's Coming to Dinner" anytime soon? I don't have cable, or the time to watch it, so having them post the current season's episodes has really been a godsend! This week though, nothing is showing up on SciFi Rewind! I have looked on Hulu as well, and they only have up to "Faith" available. I would appreciate any news anybody might have. Thanks.

Well here's two streaming sites you can check:

http://www.tvliveshows.com

http://www.tvokay.com

[laydown666]

Again, I hate this cliffhanger thing It was getting so good at the end and then boom...done.No more until May 30th! 2 WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just registerd with this forum and now I wish I hadn't... no more for 2 weeks? and then no more til 2009? WTF?

Who thinks the last cylon will be revealed in the may 30th episode?

[Shane]

I just registerd with this forum and now I wish I hadn't... no more for 2 weeks? and then no more til 2009? WTF?

Who thinks the last cylon will be revealed in the may 30th episode?
You an me both. :( Welcome to the forums otherwise!

I think it will be revealed closer to June/July.

[BSGfan-atic]

Admiral Beaudoin and Buerger23 - thanks for the tips about the posting of "Guess What's Coming to Dinner." I'll check them out.

[MillionsKnives]

My thoughts on the episode:
- Why doesn't Baltar share the visions if he is in them, too? Is it Head Baltar there, maybe?

- Anyone else noticed the images of the hybrid in the vision flashes or it was just my imagination? That should also be significant.
First post :X forgive my n00bness!

- So far only the people with Cylon DNA see the visions (remember Roslin got some of baby Heras blood). I still didn't ever consider Hera would be sharing the visions tho! Scary little child! haha

- I noticed the Hybrid too :x could she be controlling the vision? They say the Hybrid lives in the space between life and death, so even unplugged maybe she sees these visions or has input on them? Not sure how much faith I'd put in that though.

Also, remember to not count Natalie out for the count just yet, a 60 year old man survived 2 gunshots to the chest so i'm sure a Cylon can! :P It really was a great episode, my one question is... why would Laura ask for Helo when she wants to go see the Hybrid? I'm surprised she even knows who he is, they barely interact haha

I've just checked the TV guide and it says Sine Qua Non will air Tuesday as normal here in the UK. Hope thats not a mistake or l'll be out for blood!

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

I've just checked the TV guide and it says Sine Qua Non will air Tuesday as normal here in the UK. Hope thats not a mistake or l'll be out for blood!

Welcome to the boards! Don't cut us! :lol:

Anyway, you guys are going to get it a week before we do, simply because we have this thing called "Memorial Day" and most people are out partying that weekend, so their butts aren't glued to their couches in front of the TV.

[ScorpionXIII]

why would Laura ask for Helo when she wants to go see the Hybrid? I'm surprised she even knows who he is, they barely interact

yea they have. 1) Waaaaay back in season 2, Helo returned with Athena and starbuck to the 'Roslin believer fleet'. Helo then went down to Kobol with her to search for the tomb of Athena / (By the by, possible spoiler based on whats going on now, as "Everything has happened before, and all will happen again"). So im sure Roslin was aware of the "Cylon Lover".

Secondly, in early season 3(cant remember episode exactly), when the colonials were going to unleash a virus through the cylon fleet by executing infected cylons on the Galactica, Helo made a big deal about the morality of it all to the president herself.

[fwez]

Secondly, in early season 3(cant remember episode exactly), when the colonials were going to unleash a virus through the cylon fleet by executing infected cylons on the Galactica, Helo made a big deal about the morality of it all to the president herself.

... AND (in this episode!) Helo was in the room with Roslin, Adama, and Tigh planning the attack on the resurrection ship and considering holding on to the F5 until they reach earth.

[Dzonatas]

You'd think Helo would still be upset... after spreading ashes and being so tricked.

[ScorpionXIII]

You'd think Helo would still be upset... after spreading ashes and being so tricked.

It HAS been 2 years.....

[Dzonatas]

Minus one for the time Hera was away.

[MillionsKnives]

Hmm they have spoke more then i thought but still, why helo? ^^; lol crazy president

[Scorpian]

Hi Guys, First time posting. My god this show can melt your mind, Adama no way! I havent seen many postings refering to the other possible hybrid on theat ship. isnt the cheif one of the F5 nothing is said about his offspring??
I also think we may have a contender for the dying leader, valid point stated earlier that it is a dying leader , but with the res ship on the way out are all the cylons not dying, and nat did say that dying was the greatest gift. "It happend before and it will happen again" so nothing can be taken for granted.

[Shane]

Hi Guys, First time posting. My god this show can melt your mind, Adama no way! I havent seen many postings refering to the other possible hybrid on theat ship. isnt the cheif one of the F5 nothing is said about his offspring??
I also think we may have a contender for the dying leader, valid point stated earlier that it is a dying leader , but with the res ship on the way out are all the cylons not dying, and nat did say that dying was the greatest gift. "It happend before and it will happen again" so nothing can be taken for granted.
Welcome to the forums first of all!

Nothing in this show has been a straight line per say for me. It been thrown curve balls since the Miniseries! I love this show. :D

[pagad]

Nothing in this show has been a straight line per say for me. It been thrown curve balls since the Miniseries! I love this show. :D

So say we all! :D