Potentially fake spoilers on "The Hub"

[brokedown77]

These were first posted on "Battlestar Blog" but are spreading fast:
"Someone posted a ton of spoilers for episode 9 of Battlestar Galactica season four, "The Hub," which airs June 6. Roslin and Baltar are in the hands of the rebel Cylons (the Leobens, the Sharons, the Sixes) who are planning an attack on the "Resurrection Hub," without which no Cylon can resurrect anywhere, even with a resurrection ship. The humans have an uneasy alliance with these rebel Cylons. And some human pilots help with the attack, including Helo, Seelix and "Gonzo" Pike. The humans also decide to help the rebels to retrieve D'Anna (Lucy Lawless) so they can learn the identity of the Final Five within the fleet. D'Anna is un-boxed and immediately starts being manipulative and playing mind games again. The battle to destroy the Hub is "insane."
Helo feels very threatened when he realizes that when "his" Sharon died and was resurrected over the algae planet, her memories became available to all the other Sharons.
Baltar does the one thing that could surprise me at this point: he confesses his role in the destruction of humanity to Roslin — leaving her with a tough moral quandary. We see Roslin's death in a flash-forward, and the "L-word" is finally spoken between her and Adama. Elosha puts in an appearance as Roslin's spiritual adviser. [Battlestar Blog (http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/1028156.html)]"



I had previously heard that Seelix dies in Faith and I'm pretty sure Elosha is long dead, having died on Kobol. So these don't really pass the smell test. However, the poster said they came from a script, so it may not have been filmed as scripted and Seelix may not appear and I guess the Elosha part could be a flashback. Otherwise Elosha would have to be the final cylon and I hope that's not the case.

[stavrosg]

It could be one of those fakes RDM said they'll put out to confuse people

[brokedown77]

or the Seelix spoiler could be in error, or it could have been a legit script that got changed as it was affected by things that happend on prior episodes or....

Pretty interesting though if Baltar does confess

[Gougef]

.........

I had previously heard that Seelix dies in Faith and I'm pretty sure Elosha is long dead, having died on Kobol. So these don't really pass the smell test. However, the poster said they came from a script, so it may not have been filmed as scripted and Seelix may not appear and I guess the Elosha part could be a flashback. Otherwise Elosha would have to be the final cylon and I hope that's not the case.

I am starting to think that the spoiler was about Mathias dying last episode and not seelix. Guess will see.

Elosha may show up in a Roslin vision.

However, I still have doubts about these spoilers.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

I don't trust these kind of spoilers... For instance, for "Lay Down Your Burdens", there were spoilers that claimed that Conoys and Sharons approached the Fleet and offered peace, in return for worship of the Cylon God.

So don't believe everything you read.

Just sit back and relax. :thumbsup:

[ThPrime]

Hulu: What Next? What Now? (http://www.hulu.com/watch/18191/battlestar-galactica-what-next-what-now#s-p2-sr-i1)

...was made on set during filming of what we now can recognize as 4.07 The Road Less Traveled.

"Someone bites it in this episode. (4.07) Someone bites it in the next episode (4.08) , and I just heard that someone bites it in the episode after that (4.09) , but I don't know who. I heard it's not me, but again who knows." - Leah "Racetrack" Cairns

Mathias died in 4.07. Two to go. Season Four: Season Of Blood :no:

[Gougef]

Didn't I read some where that RDM and co. put out some fake scripts?

Also, I got the feeling that for season, no actor received an entire script and would receive multiple versions of the same scene.

I do know that this season has had minimum leakage compared to the last 2.

[Georgiotje]

Yeah, this season has had minimum leakage. I also think this script is fake, but there is probably some truth in it...

[Xenon242]

I'm going to have to call 'fake!' on this one, too. The rest of the season's been so comparatively air-tight, that this seems unlikely, to say nothing of out of the blue.

[brokedown77]

Yeah, I guess us spoiler whores should just relax. I guess I would if I could.

Here (http://lelianamckay.livejournal.com/68930.html) a blogger takes apart those spoilers.

I'd be willing to bet there is a grain of truth, but just like the "Lay Down your Burdens" example that Joe pointed out above, you can't trust until it appears on the screen.

[Gougef]

probably fake because I actually like them, unlike real spoilers from the past,

[redwards95]

That sounds completely plausible to me. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Seanathin]

They all seem a bit fake if you ask me, but put out by RDM and co with a bit of truth mixed into the bag, ie maybe old story ideas that didn't make it past the spitball phase, who knows well see.

[brokedown77]

Well, if you consider that it was Barolay who died last night and assume that the "Seelix died" spoiler came from someone who couldn't tell the difference, maybe there is some truth there.

So much for my "ship of lights" in Kara's painting theory

[redwards95]

Yeah I'll admit I wasn't sure whether Barolay was Seelix or not until the switched back to the Demetrius and Seelix was clearly visible.

[crood]

Didn't Cavil make mention of them going to the nearest Hub as part of his plan to kill off Natalie's crew? The epsiode summary mentions it being only six jumps away. If it's the only one and its destruction prevents all Cylons from resurrecting, then wouldn't it be closer to their homeworld. If it's mobile, then why have the Resurrection Ships at all?

[brokedown77]

I believe he said the hub is where they stored the boxed consciousness of D'Anna. I got the implication that it was a central storage facility connected to the resurrection ships like the hub of a network and the resurrection ships are nodes.

[Wouter]

I'm not sure, but Cavil may have been talking about "the nearest server" (to connect with the hub?) rather than the nearest hub. In which case, the hub itself could still be centrally located.

It may also be a misinterpretation of the script; we'll see if its destruction really means that no Cylon can resurrect, anywhere, or if it is only in a certain region of space (if there is more than one "hub").

However, I think that no resurrection anywhere is where the show is headed, so it may turn out that way.

[ThPrime]

"The three's core consciousness is being downloaded at our central resurrection hub. The nearest accessible server is a half dozen jumps from here. We can go together and hear what your newfound heroine has to say." - Cavil

Keep an eye out tonight for either that there server or this here hub. :)

Six Cylon jumps is potentially a tremendous distance and the Hub is even further away. Refer to Kara returning to Caprica in a Cylon Raider. I hold a small ray of hope the central hub could be situated near the Cylon homeworld.

[ThPrime]

I hold a small ray of hope the central hub could be situated near the Cylon homeworld.

Hope snuffed out. :lol:

[The Dirt]

Well, it seems more and more that this spoiler is not quite fake after all.

[Wouter]

It's starting to look very real indeed.

Allthough we should keep in mind that scripts aren't always filmed the way they're originally intended. BSG is quite famous for having its eps running overtime, so lots of stuff has to be removed from the aired episode to get the correct running time.

So there may be considerable differences between an early script and the final result on TV.

[brokedown77]

.... Roslin and Baltar are in the hands of the rebel Cylons (the Leobens, the Sharons, the Sixes) who are planning an attack on the "Resurrection Hub," without which no Cylon can resurrect anywhere, even with a resurrection ship. The humans have an uneasy alliance with these rebel Cylons. And some human pilots help with the attack, including Helo, Seelix and "Gonzo" Pike. The humans also decide to help the rebels to retrieve D'Anna (Lucy Lawless) so they can learn the identity of the Final Five within the fleet. D'Anna is un-boxed and immediately starts being manipulative and playing mind games again. The battle to destroy the Hub is "insane."
Helo feels very threatened when he realizes that when "his" Sharon died and was resurrected over the algae planet, her memories became available to all the other Sharons.
Baltar does the one thing that could surprise me at this point: he confesses his role in the destruction of humanity to Roslin — leaving her with a tough moral quandary. We see Roslin's death in a flash-forward, and the "L-word" is finally spoken between her and Adama. Elosha puts in an appearance as Roslin's spiritual adviser. [Battlestar Blog (http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/1028156.html)]"

Roslin and Baltar on the basestar - check
Helo, Seelix and Pike - check

I guess we will have to see on the rest, but with the Hybrid in the mix, I guess the flash forward and Baltar's confession seems plausible. The Helo stuff might be good, but it also looks like something that could be cut in editing for time.

Just realized that Galactica has to be jumping to the Hub in the preview. It's the only way to get to a place that they know the basestar will be.

[Wouter]

If Galactica attempts to jump to the hub, it likely will scare it away. The rebel baseship apparently was relying on some Trojan Horse-type plan to get close enough to destroy the FTL drive (by itself or with the Vipers - allthough I wonder how they plan to hide the fact it's not one of Cavils ships - it already stands out with its battledamage). Since Galactica can't very well pretend to be a Cylon ship, I guess the hub will jump away with the utmost haste, in which case the rebels will have to to their work again to find where it went to.

The baseship itself may have jumped anywhere, as it was the hybrid calling the shots and she is not necessarily going where the skinjobs where planning to go. This jump probably took them by surprise just as much as Galactica and Roslin and co were taken by surprise.

[brokedown77]

If Galactica attempts to jump to the hub, it likely will scare it away. The rebel baseship apparently was relying on some Trojan Horse-type plan to get close enough to destroy the FTL drive (by itself or with the Vipers - allthough I wonder how they plan to hide the fact it's not one of Cavils ships - it already stands out with its battledamage). Since Galactica can't very well pretend to be a Cylon ship, I guess the hub will jump away with the utmost haste, in which case the rebels will have to to their work again to find where it went to.

The baseship itself may have jumped anywhere, as it was the hybrid calling the shots and she is not necessarily going where the skinjobs where planning to go. This jump probably took them by surprise just as much as Galactica and Roslin and co were taken by surprise.

That all makes sense. Still, based on the spoilers, I expect that Galactica will jump to the hub. I'd guess that the raptor did enough scouting to give the Admiral a tactical plan, at the very least Natalie has to have told them how to disable the FTL if they want to unbox D'anna. Then again, if Natalie knows where it is, it can't jump very often.

[crood]

Is anyone now confused on how resurrection works? Up until the Hub was revealed, I assumed that the dead Cylon's consciousness was transmitted to the nearest ship and then downloaded into a new body stored or newly created on that same ship. What purpose does a hub serve in that process?

It can't be that the Cylon consciousness is transmitted first to the Hub, because then destroying a Resurrection ship wouldn't result in a Cylon truly dying. At worst, they'd end up boxed because the body wouldn't be there for the Hub to transmit to. However, since they can presumably unbox D'Anna at the hub, it probably has the facilities to make bodies.

I guess my question is what does the Hub provide to the Resurrection ship to make it function? Something needs to either originate there or go through there and be transmitted to a ship each time a Cylon needs to be resurrected. What is that something?

[Wouter]

I hope we get a good explanation for this (why they hub is necessary, and also why there is only one). So far, the whole hub thing seems like a major ret-con.

[Joe Beaudoin Jr.]

I'd always figured there was something like a hub...

The Hub is basically the server; the resurrection ships are basically a form of clients with routing functions that extend the Hub's functions, thus creating a "resurrection network".

The processing power needed to store thousands upon thousands of Cylons is beyond the technical scope of a mere resurrection ship.

So...no retcon here. We just thought we understood more about the resurrection technology than we actually did. :)

[Wouter]

Sounds fair enough. THe question remains why there is only one, though.

It is so difficult/costly to build one? Then again, protecting the resurrection process (with a backup server/hub) should be worth a lot of expense.

Or don't they know how to build one? In that case, is the existing hub something they inherited (did the old style Centurions find it as an ancient piece of technology or some such?)? Or is there a religious taboo against building more than one?

[brokedown77]

After watching the previews again I don't think the Galactica jumps to the hub, at least not immediately. It looks like they jump to the Battle scene. I wonder why they would not jump to the hub?

If that's what they do, it makes the fight between Tigh and Adama more likely to be real as opposed to a projection, IMO.

[Wouter]

Adama may well be just as much out of line as Tigh is (with the latter's Cap-6 thing), leaving the fleet behind to chase behind Roslin, given basicly suicide missions to his pilots (judging from the promos)?

[Mishakal]

The only one of those spoilers that rings true is the Baltar confession to Roslin.

[Wouter]

I think it pretty much all rings true. One more week before we find out for sure (keeping in mind a script can still be changed and not everything usually makes it in the final episode though).

[Kikaider01]

I bet RDM and company read sites like this and is having a big laugh.

[brokedown77]

After reading the spoilers for "sine Qua Non" I fear they read the "shipper" sites and set out to please those people who squeee over anything to do with Adama and Roslin or Starbuck and Apollo

[crood]

I'd always figured there was something like a hub...

The Hub is basically the server; the resurrection ships are basically a form of clients with routing functions that extend the Hub's functions, thus creating a "resurrection network".

The processing power needed to store thousands upon thousands of Cylons is beyond the technical scope of a mere resurrection ship.

So...no retcon here. We just thought we understood more about the resurrection technology than we actually did. :)

That doesn't really explain what the Hub does in the resurrection process. For example, Athena had Helo shoot her. She then awoke in a new body on the resurrection ship. What purpose does the Hub serve in that process?

If her memories go to the Hub first and then transmitted back to the ship, then essentially its range in unlimited. Being out of range of a resurrection ship would be an inconvenience, not a death sentence. The issue of who controls the hub would be important, as Cavil's crew could box any of Natalie's people who were killed. However, that's not the impression we've been given. Cylons consider boxing separate from death.

If the ship gets the memories, then what's the reason to contact the hub? The ship has the facilities to build new bodies and download the memories into it. There has to be something at the hub or somewhere else, with the hub as the middle point, involved in the process.

The only thing I can think of is that the Hub might store the memories up until the last resurrection (or other upload, since Athena had Boomer's memories up until the attack on the colonies without Boomer being killed). When a Cylon dies, only the changes since the last "death" are sent to the resurrection ship. The rest would have to be downloaded. However, this would again mean that being out of range isn't a death sentence, per se. Their memories would still exist at the Hub and only their recent experiences would be lost.

[genji2000]

If the ship gets the memories, then what's the reason to contact the hub?

The Hub stores ALL consciousnesses, and spreads them around all the existing models. It also supports the functions of the Resurrection Ships, which can't operate without it. It is a plot device but it's a pretty good one.

[Wouter]

The resurrection ships are only "clients" of the "server" hub, then?

[mdwturner]

That doesn't really explain what the Hub does in the resurrection process. For example, Athena had Helo shoot her. She then awoke in a new body on the resurrection ship. What purpose does the Hub serve in that process?

If her memories go to the Hub first and then transmitted back to the ship, then essentially its range in unlimited. Being out of range of a resurrection ship would be an inconvenience, not a death sentence. The issue of who controls the hub would be important, as Cavil's crew could box any of Natalie's people who were killed. However, that's not the impression we've been given. Cylons consider boxing separate from death.

If the ship gets the memories, then what's the reason to contact the hub? The ship has the facilities to build new bodies and download the memories into it. There has to be something at the hub or somewhere else, with the hub as the middle point, involved in the process.

The only thing I can think of is that the Hub might store the memories up until the last resurrection (or other upload, since Athena had Boomer's memories up until the attack on the colonies without Boomer being killed). When a Cylon dies, only the changes since the last "death" are sent to the resurrection ship. The rest would have to be downloaded. However, this would again mean that being out of range isn't a death sentence, per se. Their memories would still exist at the Hub and only their recent experiences would be lost.

Ok, here's my take on technology that doesn't exist ;-)

The resurrection ship is a two way transmitter/receiver. You can't get to the hub if there isn't a resurrection ship nearby to amplify your signal.

The hub accepts the download, synchronizes the memories of all of the models and keeps counts of copies. I don't imagine that Cavil, for instance, would want twice as many Six's running around. I would imagine that Cylon society is highly controlled, thus the need for a central hub/arbitrator. Resurrection ships could not resurrect you without permission from the hub, to prevent all sorts of possible complications/misuses. For example, what if you were half way between two resurrection ships when you "died"? The hub would need to decide where to send you.

The hub then beams you back to the resurrection ship, and you continue about your business.

I suppose you could resurrect at the hub, assuming it can do that, if your signal couldn't get back to your point of origin. Perhaps only the resurrection ships are equipped with the actual goo tanks, although that seems unlikely.

[Wouter]

Interesting take, I like it!

The implication would be that it still could be possible to download to a resurrection ship though, by dropping the needed "permission" from the hub. If necessary, they could just keep one of those ships in action so that no double downloads would occur.

[Xenon242]

After seeing 'Sine ...', I'm going to have to go back and eat my words on my 'fake!' call in this thread. This week's events make the scenario in the original post seem much more plausible.

Someone pass the S&P and ketchup, please ...

[james968]

I think the Cylons have some type of FTL Communication. Otherwise it could take years for a cylon to download and resurrect. It may be that this has a limited range. Even though each model shares the same body type, each individual is unique. If each resurrection ship were independent and a cylon died within range of 2 different ships that would cause a problem with 2 Shells having the same Individual. Also since each series has some type of Networking amongst themselves, this may not be allowed.

By having the HUB, it coordinates and possibly verifies that the INDIVIDUAL is not already starting to download somewhere else.

Without this functionality, the Nodes may not be able to authorize a resurrection.

The 2nd factor is, the Hub may have copies of the original templates for all of the models. When a Cylon dies, only the stuff specific to that individual is transmitted. (i.e. their specific memories). When a Resurrection Ship needs a Core Personality it downloads it. (It may be too much for a RS to keep 7*Core Personalities + individual memories of Cylons undergoing Resurection). It might also explain why they can't just download D'anna with their existing RS. (He patterns were sent back to the Hub, to conserve memory).

3rd point. We don't know how big the "Cylon Empire" is Cavil mentioned Millions of each model, but we've never seen more than a handful of baseships (and I don't think their crew compliment is that big).

As per the Spoilers. I seem to remember Sharon telling Helo and him repeating, that the other Cylon's wouldn't be able to access her memories (or Athena would block it, or something like that). If that was the case how come Boomer and the other 8 weren't hip to her plans as soon as she arrived.

Though Helo being freaked by being around other 8's even if they don't have Athena's memory, I could understand.

[genji2000]

This might be a bit of a tangent but it's vaguely related...

On Kobol, when Adama first spots Caprica Sharon and he grabs her by the throat, knocking her to the ground, she says "and you ask why?"

This references the monologue Adama delivered when stood over Boomer's corpse in the Galactica morgue, when he asks Boomer "why?"

How come Caprica Sharon is aware of that moment?

[Wouter]

She can't be aware of it (dead bodies, even of Cylons, don't transmit anything). It's a bit of a writers mistake I think; supposedly the explanation is that Athena was referring to Adama's speech in the mini (he asked "why" then too).

[genji2000]

She can't be aware of it (dead bodies, even of Cylons, don't transmit anything). It's a bit of a writers mistake I think; supposedly the explanation is that Athena was referring to Adama's speech in the mini (he asked "why" then too).

That doesn't answer if for me, sorry. The moment on Kobol is SO amazing it can't be a writer's mistake, and Adama's speech before the colonies were nuked asked why mankind believes it has a right to survive. That's the opposite of the "why?" Caprica Sharon questions.

[brokedown77]

It's looking more and more like the person who wrote this saw a true script. We know Pike dies in this battle, we know Helo, Baltar and Roslin are on the baseship and now we've seen Elosha and D'Anna in the preview.

I guess my smeller isn't as good as I thought

[brokedown77]

Looks like Baltar is wounded by an explosion behind the Centurion he was facing in the preview. Roslin in bandaging his wound and I'll bet this is when he confesses, when his life is in danger.

That would make all the spoilers in this thread true, I think.

[brokedown77]

Baltar's wound looks pretty bad, worse than Gaeta's

[brokedown77]

I guess these spoilers were the real deal

[Wouter]

Absolutely, the spoilers were spot-on.

Two things that were in the script weren't shown (probably deleted scenes): Helo and the 8 would encounter some resistance on the hub (probably explains why a promo pic showed a Cavil with a gun) and Boomer's memories would also be mentioned, besides Athena's (with the rebel 8s). I wonder if that last one will still come into play later (probably not as most things Boomer have been ending up on the cutting floor for the last 2 seasons).

[brokedown77]

I think the author of the spoilers got Boomer and Athena confused, I had also noticed the Cavil with a gun scene being missing. No doubt the pod cast will explain that they were over on time and had to cut quite a few scenes in the Hub. Like what actually did happen with Boomer. Seeing the finished product I though they probably had 2+ hours of material filmed (If you count all the stuff they probably cut out of Sine Qua Non they probably had nearly 4 hours of show that ended on cutting room floor)

[Wouter]

I have seen the info posted by the original source of the info (the one who read the script) and IIRC he was specific that both Athena's and Boomer's memories played a role - in the script (he was well aware not everything would be filmed or broadcasted). He certainly understood the difference between the 2, and I assume the 8s with Boomer's memories would react a bit differently. It may yet come into play, if the rebel Cylons survive long enough and if Boomer's storyline will be picked up again (both may be big ifs, though).

[Xenon242]

I guess these spoilers were the real deal

Yeah, I'm still waiting for my order of crow for having called BS on them.

[brokedown77]

I have seen the info posted by the original source of the info (the one who read the script) and IIRC he was specific that both Athena's and Boomer's memories played a role - in the script (he was well aware not everything would be filmed or broadcasted). He certainly understood the difference between the 2, and I assume the 8s with Boomer's memories would react a bit differently. It may yet come into play, if the rebel Cylons survive long enough and if Boomer's storyline will be picked up again (both may be big ifs, though).

I would really like to see Boomer's storyline picked up. She is the most tragic figure among the cylons.